Big 12 not happy about being left out ... Impact on UM and M

[grizpack]

NDSU's stadium would be a killer for them. Not sure how they would ever expand it sufficiently.

Enough state money to build a new one????

 

[Bisonation]

NDSU is looking at expanding to 25,000 (maybe even 28,000 with creativity) A full Sold out stadium will look & sound better than the 14,000 at Wyoming or New Mexico in a 40,000 stadium.

NDSU basketball arena is $46 million and will be done next year.

NDSU great track, wrestling and baseball teams. NDSU softball been to super regional. It would help all programs.

Geographically, so what, its a flight 1 time every 2 years for teams.

Wyoming
Air Force
Colorado State
NDSU
Montana
UNLV

would be a sweet conference, imagine playing those teams at home instead of Western Illinois with 2300 or Portland State with 2800 am I right?

 

[kemajic]

You can take it to the bank that Idaho has virtually no chance at all of being invited to the MWC. Thier facilities are not up to par, and they have not been winning lately are two reasons. And Boise State would block them. BSU doesn't even want to play the Vandals, there is no way they are going to support Idaho to the MWC.

As far as FCS teams being added there is one and only one team that may have a shot and that is UM. I don't think the MWC wants to be like the Sunbelt and known as a conference that takes schools directly from FCS. Because of UMs history with member schools (especially those in the Mountain Division), it's fanbase, facilities, and winning tradition UM has shot.

NDSU may have a very small chance, but they are hurt, IMO, by being out of the geographical footprint of the league and by having no history with anyone in the conference.

BSU would probably block UM as well; they still seem to be pissed about the beatdown we gave them in their last year in the BSC. I agree, I doubt the MWC is really looking to bring in FCS programs; it's nice to dream, but realistically, Idaho is more of a peer of Montana than are most of the MWC members. Not to mention an old rival of 84 meetings. Hence the pickle we're in.

 

[kemajic]

NDSU is looking at expanding to 25,000 (maybe even 28,000 with creativity) A full Sold out stadium will look & sound better than the 14,000 at Wyoming or New Mexico in a 40,000 stadium.

NDSU basketball arena is $46 million and will be done next year.

NDSU great track, wrestling and baseball teams. NDSU softball been to super regional. It would help all programs.

Geographically, so what, its a flight 1 time every 2 years for teams.

Wyoming
Air Force
Colorado State
NDSU
Montana
UNLV

would be a sweet conference, imagine playing those teams at home instead of Western Illinois with 2300 or Portland State with 2800 am I right?

NDSU is probably better suited for the MAC, looking not only at geography, but from where they do most of their recruiting.

Montana has had 5 flights to the Dakotas in the last 3 years. It's a 1000 miles; not ideal for fans. But you are dead right about a lot of uninspiring opponents in the BSC.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

NDSU is looking at expanding to 25,000 (maybe even 28,000 with creativity) A full Sold out stadium will look & sound better than the 14,000 at Wyoming or New Mexico in a 40,000 stadium.

NDSU basketball arena is $46 million and will be done next year.

NDSU great track, wrestling and baseball teams. NDSU softball been to super regional. It would help all programs.

Geographically, so what, its a flight 1 time every 2 years for teams.

Wyoming
Air Force
Colorado State
NDSU
Montana
UNLV

would be a sweet conference, imagine playing those teams at home instead of Western Illinois with 2300 or Portland State with 2800 am I right?

You're absolutely right. Except for the part about PSU and 2800. More like 800.

 

[Ursa Major]

NDSU is looking at expanding to 25,000 (maybe even 28,000 with creativity) A full Sold out stadium will look & sound better than the 14,000 at Wyoming or New Mexico in a 40,000 stadium.

NDSU basketball arena is $46 million and will be done next year.

NDSU great track, wrestling and baseball teams. NDSU softball been to super regional. It would help all programs.

Geographically, so what, its a flight 1 time every 2 years for teams.

Wyoming
Air Force
Colorado State
NDSU
Montana
UNLV

would be a sweet conference, imagine playing those teams at home instead of Western Illinois with 2300 or Portland State with 2800 am I right?

You're absolutely right. Except for the part about PSU and 2800. More like 800.

The 2,800 number was set during the October 2013 promotional, Bring Your Imaginary Friend to a Game Night at Providence Park.

 

[Zootown Rox]

Wow, I had no idea we had a New York and a Connecticut school in our conference for golf - WTF?

The most likely scenario, if the Big 12 decides to expand, is for them to invite BYU and one other team, mostly likely out of the MWC. There are a lot of targets in the MWC they could go with, one of the California teams to get open some tv markets, or Boise for the football tradition, even Nevada or Colorado State would make sense. Then the MWC will be down to 10 football members. They might want to stick with that, or they might want to expand to cover their butts. And if they are expanding they might as well get to 12 teams, so UM and MSU together is not out of the question. Which, for me, would be an ideal situation - better conference, more academically prestigious plus we get a conference foe we know we can beat up on every year.

edit: woops I forgot to count Hawaii in the MWC, so if they get one poached they will definitely want to expand to get back up to 12. Pretty sure they wouldn't want to go to 13, but maybe 14 and UM, MSU and NDSU go up? One can dream.

 

[NavyBlue]

Zootown Rox, I am not sure that BYU will be added in a Big 12 Expansion. Remember they took West Virginia the last time they expanded and most people seem to think they would go east again. But sure it is a possibility. That said, the Big 12 and BYU have talked before and from what I understand the Big 12 people came away saying, "Who do these people (BYU) think they are". BYU is a prima donna that comes with alot of demands and the Big 12 already has Texas.

It would be cool to see UM and MSU in the MWC however. I don't think it is very likely without another big conference realignment though.

 

[IdaGriz01]

Zootown Rox, I am not sure that BYU will be added in a Big 12 Expansion. ... BYU is a prima donna that comes with alot of demands and the Big 12 already has Texas. ...

:clap: :clap: :clap:
Of course, being Texas, they would probably prefer prima donna assoluta -- absolute top dog -- which is applied to the biggest stars [stars ... get it? :lol: ] of all.
(Although there are masculine language forms, these are a not much used, apparently.)

On a more serious note: I cannot image Texas Christian University or Baylor (a Baptist university) ever seriously considering allowing a school affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of ... [the Mormons]. I'll leave it that, since the history of this divide could occupy way more than anyone wants to try to read.

 

[info]

Zootown Rox, I am not sure that BYU will be added in a Big 12 Expansion. ... BYU is a prima donna that comes with alot of demands and the Big 12 already has Texas. ...

:clap: :clap: :clap:
Of course, being Texas, they would probably prefer prima donna assoluta -- absolute top dog -- which is applied to the biggest stars [stars ... get it? :lol: ] of all.
(Although there are masculine language forms, these are a not much used, apparently.)

On a more serious note: I cannot image Texas [u]Christian[/u] University or Baylor (a Baptist university) ever seriously considering allowing a school affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of ... [the Mormons]. I'll leave it that, since the history of this divide could occupy way more than anyone wants to try to read.

So you watch "Hell on Wheels" too?? :thumb:

 

[NavyBlue]

It wouldn't be the first time that BYU and TCU have been in a conference together...

 

[get'em_griz]

NDSU is looking at expanding to 25,000 (maybe even 28,000 with creativity) A full Sold out stadium will look & sound better than the 14,000 at Wyoming or New Mexico in a 40,000 stadium.

NDSU basketball arena is $46 million and will be done next year.

NDSU great track, wrestling and baseball teams. NDSU softball been to super regional. It would help all programs.

Geographically, so what, its a flight 1 time every 2 years for teams.

Wyoming
Air Force
Colorado State
NDSU
Montana
UNLV

would be a sweet conference, imagine playing those teams at home instead of Western Illinois with 2300 or Portland State with 2800 am I right?

If NDSU is looking to expand to 25,000-28,000, then the only way is to build a completely new stadium. There's no way the Fargodome can be expanded to 25,000.

 

[IdaGriz01]

It wouldn't be the first time that BYU and TCU have been in a conference together...

Hmmm ... "true dat." But given a choice ... ? Also, TCU is only "affiliated" with the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ?). That gives them a bit more leeway.

Baylor, however, is the "largest Baptist university in the world." And, for what it's worth, Baptists have major doctrinal bones to pick with the LDS.
In any case, we're getting a bit too ff:

 

[IdaGriz01]

... If NDSU is looking to expand to 25,000-28,000, then the only way is to build a completely new stadium. There's no way the Fargodome can be expanded to 25,000.

As I recall, the last big seat expansion at the Kibbie Dome (UI) involved going down ... lowering the field level. Could they dig a big hole for the Fargodome field and angle the stands to include more rows of seats?

 

[get'em_griz]

... If NDSU is looking to expand to 25,000-28,000, then the only way is to build a completely new stadium. There's no way the Fargodome can be expanded to 25,000.

As I recall, the last big seat expansion at the Kibbie Dome (UI) involved going down ... lowering the field level. Could they dig a big hole for the Fargodome field and angle the stands to include more rows of seats?

How's my new seats were added to the kibbie dome for that expansion? It seems like it'd be difficult to add 7,000 seats in a dome by only doing that.

 

[IdaGriz01]

... If NDSU is looking to expand to 25,000-28,000, then the only way is to build a completely new stadium. There's no way the Fargodome can be expanded to 25,000.

As I recall, the last big seat expansion at the Kibbie Dome (UI) involved going down ... lowering the field level. Could they dig a big hole for the Fargodome field and angle the stands to include more rows of seats?

How's my new seats were added to the kibbie dome for that expansion? It seems like it'd be difficult to add 7,000 seats in a dome by only doing that.

Have not followed the issue much, so I do not have any hard numbers as to that phase. I suspect it was just a token. However, I believe the next lowering phase expects to add only 4,000 seats, to get them to 20,000. To get to 25 thou, they would apparently need to squeeze in a second deck ... and I have not idea how they might do that. Seems liked they'd have to blow off the roof. Not a bad idea for football ... but they then couldn't use it for basketball or other indoor sports.

 

[signedbewildered]

NDSU is looking at expanding to 25,000 (maybe even 28,000 with creativity) A full Sold out stadium will look & sound better than the 14,000 at Wyoming or New Mexico in a 40,000 stadium.

NDSU basketball arena is $46 million and will be done next year.

NDSU great track, wrestling and baseball teams. NDSU softball been to super regional. It would help all programs.

Geographically, so what, its a flight 1 time every 2 years for teams.

Wyoming
Air Force
Colorado State
NDSU
Montana
UNLV

would be a sweet conference, imagine playing those teams at home instead of Western Illinois with 2300 or Portland State with 2800 am I right?

If NDSU is looking to expand to 25,000-28,000, then the only way is to build a completely new stadium. There's no way the Fargodome can be expanded to 25,000.

Sure they can they already have it figured out. They are simply making the seats smaller.

 

[AZDoc]

It wouldn't be the first time that BYU and TCU have been in a conference together...

Hmmm ... "true dat." But given a choice ... ? Also, TCU is only "affiliated" with the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ?). That gives them a bit more leeway.

Baylor, however, is the "largest Baptist university in the world." And, for what it's worth, Baptists have major doctrinal bones to pick with the LDS.
In any case, we're getting a bit too ff:

can someone define "Christian" church for me please?

 

[Grizzlies1982]

It wouldn't be the first time that BYU and TCU have been in a conference together...

Hmmm ... "true dat." But given a choice ... ? Also, TCU is only "affiliated" with the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ?). That gives them a bit more leeway.

Baylor, however, is the "largest Baptist university in the world." And, for what it's worth, Baptists have major doctrinal bones to pick with the LDS.
In any case, we're getting a bit too ff:

can someone define "Christian" church for me please?

I think they call it the "Church of Christ" rather than Christian Church.
They have that title because it's the one Jesus attends. The others are posers.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

NDSU is looking at expanding to 25,000 (maybe even 28,000 with creativity) A full Sold out stadium will look & sound better than the 14,000 at Wyoming or New Mexico in a 40,000 stadium.

NDSU basketball arena is $46 million and will be done next year.

NDSU great track, wrestling and baseball teams. NDSU softball been to super regional. It would help all programs.

Geographically, so what, its a flight 1 time every 2 years for teams.

Wyoming
Air Force
Colorado State
NDSU
Montana
UNLV

would be a sweet conference, imagine playing those teams at home instead of Western Illinois with 2300 or Portland State with 2800 am I right?

If NDSU is looking to expand to 25,000-28,000, then the only way is to build a completely new stadium. There's no way the Fargodome can be expanded to 25,000.

Sure they can they already have it figured out. They are simply making the seats smaller.

It's ND, so the capacity will stay the same, and everyone will have to watch the game with a armrest up the ol' buttcrack? I don't think it will work.