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But GrizLA, you said that the other team was on a roll, and that the odds were stacked against UM. Every coach holds for the last shot, but don't your caveats make holding for the last shot even more prudent?
 
Growler1 said:
EverettGriz said:
SeaGrizluvr said:
EverettGriz said:
No, they really don't, seagrizluver. The officiating was one-sided. That's a given. Montana still had opportunities to overcome that by making plays and didn't. But that doesn't change the fact that it's really, really difficult to overcome seemingly biased officiating.

What your saying is they should have become supermen to overcome it(which I think they did to stay in it by the way). It affected the game more than I have ever seen a game affected before and to say we should have overcome it doesn't make sense logically. That's like saying a surgery patient should just "overcome" the fact that the surgeon just nicked your artery and bled you out. They took us out of the game every way they could otherwise that last NON call charge would never have been called a block. That was the proof the fix was in so to speak.


My point was that at about the 6 minute mark, unc got as tight as a coffin. The stress was getting to them, and the Griz failed to take advantage, turning it over and missing shots. Yes, I agree with you: it would have taken a Herculean effort to overcome the one-sided officiating. But that chance was there for the taking and it was for that reason that the game was lost. The officiating just left zero room for error.

You are right. And to make it worse, they missed the front-end of two one-n-one free throws during that time. Don't underestimate how costly our poor foul shooting was all game long.
Missed FT- UM-7, UNC-14
 
CDAGRIZ said:
But GrizLA, you said that the other team was on a roll, and that the odds were stacked against UM. Every coach holds for the last shot, but don't your caveats make holding for the last shot even more prudent?


I think that if you really were a smart coach, and not drinking the kool-aid, you would have your center try and tip in the opening jump....that would really be ballsy and show the other team you meant business.
 
Each of Cherry, Selvig and Woods fouled out for the first time all season. That says something to me. It wasn't even a physical game, except for UNC pushing and grabbing Qvale and Selvig in the paint. Ticky tacky and bad calls.
 
stubbins said:
CDAGRIZ said:
But GrizLA, you said that the other team was on a roll, and that the odds were stacked against UM. Every coach holds for the last shot, but don't your caveats make holding for the last shot even more prudent?


I think that if you really were a smart coach, and not drinking the kool-aid, you would have your center try and tip in the opening jump....that would really be ballsy and show the other team you meant business.

Haha! Seriously though, what am I missing with LA's comment? I think he basically made the case for holding for the last shot, and then concluded that doing so was the wrong move...
 
I gotta tell you guys...as much as I love Griz fans and their enthusiasm for UM Athletics, you are the last ones that should be complaining about the refereeing. I call games on the radio around the Big Sky and around the country. I've called games in Dahlberg for 23 years, and there is no other Big Sky school...not one, that gets the benefit of HOMER refereeing like Montana. You even homered us in our own gym a few years ago when the refs refused to give the Griz a technical at the end of regulation for calling a timeout when you had none left with about a second left to play...and it forced the game into OT where you won (which I give you credit for).

By the way, I watched that last blocking call over several times in slow-mo to make sure, and the refs got it right. The Griz defender has his feet planted, but his upper body was still on the way to being upright (still moving) when contact was made. If the game would have been in Dahlberg and Cherry had the ball and they called the same foul on Beitzel, you would have said it was absolutely the right call...no question. I didn't have a dog in this fight tonight, so there's no bias. If you want to see somebody who had the right to bitch about crappy officiating, see the Rutgers coach.
 
votb said:
By the way, I watched that last blocking call over several times in slow-mo to make sure, and the refs got it right. The Griz defender has his feet planted, but his upper body was still on the way to being upright (still moving) when contact was made. If the game would have been in Dahlberg and Cherry had the ball and they called the same foul on Beitzel, you would have said it was absolutely the right call...no question. I didn't have a dog in this fight tonight, so there's no bias. If you want to see somebody who had the right to bitch about crappy officiating, see the Rutgers coach.

Is that the right call when the offensive player lowers the shoulder to create the contact? I honestly don't know, but if that is the right call, Harris from GU has been screwed over like 35 times this year.
 
votb said:
I gotta tell you guys...as much as I love Griz fans and their enthusiasm for UM Athletics, you are the last ones that should be complaining about the refereeing. I call games on the radio around the Big Sky and around the country. I've called games in Dahlberg for 23 years, and there is no other Big Sky school...not one, that gets the benefit of HOMER refereeing like Montana. You even homered us in our own gym a few years ago when the refs refused to give the Griz a technical at the end of regulation for calling a timeout when you had none left with about a second left to play...and it forced the game into OT where you won (which I give you credit for).

By the way, I watched that last blocking call over several times in slow-mo to make sure, and the refs got it right. The Griz defender has his feet planted, but his upper body was still on the way to being upright (still moving) when contact was made. If the game would have been in Dahlberg and Cherry had the ball and they called the same foul on Beitzel, you would have said it was absolutely the right call...no question. I didn't have a dog in this fight tonight, so there's no bias. If you want to see somebody who had the right to bitch about crappy officiating, see the Rutgers coach.

Votb,

You are an idiot... By your definition of Blocking/charging it COULD NEVER BE a charge!! Every frigin charge call in a game the defender is moving at least a little. If you truely are an announcer (Which I have my doubts), you would not say such stupid things.
 
A charge is assessed by: Is the defensive player's torso set in position before the offensive player begins his upward motion?
 
votb said:
Let er' rip, boys!

The player doesn't have to be completely still they just have to have position which you said Adams did. It was a bad call no way I could be convinced otherwise. The NCAA rule is:

Taking a charge in college means a player has a clearly established position and has beaten the offensive player to a spot. If a defender's feet are moving when contact between the two players is made, the foul called will be a block on the defense. The NCAA defines a block as illegal personal contact that impedes the progress of an opponent. Establishing position will ensure that you are charged into as opposed to illegally impeding the progress of the offensive player.


His feet were set.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
stubbins said:
CDAGRIZ said:
But GrizLA, you said that the other team was on a roll, and that the odds were stacked against UM. Every coach holds for the last shot, but don't your caveats make holding for the last shot even more prudent?


I think that if you really were a smart coach, and not drinking the kool-aid, you would have your center try and tip in the opening jump....that would really be ballsy and show the other team you meant business.

Haha! Seriously though, what am I missing with LA's comment? I think he basically made the case for holding for the last shot, and then concluded that doing so was the wrong move...


the only thing I took from his post was not to drink kool-aid... The whole "don't go for the last shot of the half" thing is mind numbing.
 
grizd said:
GrizLA said:
putter said:
Umista said:
POOR OFFICIATING TO SAY THE LEAST. BUSH LEAGUE....FULLERTON WHAT DO YOU SAY NOW?


Why would Fullerton want to change anything? The Big Sky has the worst football officials and they just proved themselves as such on national TV for basketball.....he should be proud
But, officials do not shoot the ball nor ignore rebounding efforts....nor go for the last shot in a half while the other team is home, favored, and on a roll.....

You've said this in another thread and I don't undertand what you're trying to say. Are you saying they should have shot the ball early in the possesion and given UNC who was on a roll another chance to score in the half? If so you don't understand basketball or sports for that matter.
yes, i am saying that...I am also saying they might have gotten a foul, or a stop and another basket...I understand sports, just don't understand the thinking that says you don't have faith in your D....
 
GrizLA said:
grizd said:
GrizLA said:
putter said:
Why would Fullerton want to change anything? The Big Sky has the worst football officials and they just proved themselves as such on national TV for basketball.....he should be proud
But, officials do not shoot the ball nor ignore rebounding efforts....nor go for the last shot in a half while the other team is home, favored, and on a roll.....

You've said this in another thread and I don't undertand what you're trying to say. Are you saying they should have shot the ball early in the possesion and given UNC who was on a roll another chance to score in the half? If so you don't understand basketball or sports for that matter.
yes, i am saying that...I am also saying they might have gotten a foul, or a stop and another basket...I understand sports, just don't understand the thinking that says you don't have faith in your D....


This feels a bit like trying to get an 80 year old to understand computers but if we didn't hold for the last shot and shot it early we would not have gotten another possession because UNC most certainly would have held for the last shot. What you are saying is honestly one of the most baffling comments I've ever read. In football would you kick a field goal with one minute remaining to go up by 3 or would you let the clock run down so it's the last play of the game?
 
EverettGriz said:
No, it says, "We're going to score the damn basketball and not give you an opportunity to do the same".
It might say that, but more often than not, doesn't work.....just like tonight....great coaches don't change their game plan unless forced to.....a drive in this game might have been a 3 pt play...and our D might have made a stop if our 7 footers couldn't rebound.....no one has yet to convince me that playing for the last shot is a good thing in the first half.....it is a championship game...go for it or go home...the Griz are going home....
 
GrizLA said:
EverettGriz said:
No, it says, "We're going to score the damn basketball and not give you an opportunity to do the same".
It might say that, but more often than not, doesn't work.....just like tonight....great coaches don't change their game plan unless forced to.....a drive in this game might have been a 3 pt play...and our D might have made a stop if our 7 footers couldn't rebound.....no one has yet to convince me that playing for the last shot is a good thing in the first half.....it is a championship game...go for it or go home...the Griz are going home....


sounds logical, because we all know you can't drive to the hoop with 2 seconds left and get a 3 pt play....AND NOT GIVE THE OTHER TEAM THE BALL.
 
stubbins said:
GrizLA said:
EverettGriz said:
No, it says, "We're going to score the damn basketball and not give you an opportunity to do the same".
It might say that, but more often than not, doesn't work.....just like tonight....great coaches don't change their game plan unless forced to.....a drive in this game might have been a 3 pt play...and our D might have made a stop if our 7 footers couldn't rebound.....no one has yet to convince me that playing for the last shot is a good thing in the first half.....it is a championship game...go for it or go home...the Griz are going home....


sounds logical, because we all know you can't drive to the hoop with 2 seconds left and get a 3 pt play....AND NOT GIVE THE OTHER TEAM THE BALL.

Exactly!! You can run the same play on the last play of the half as you can the second to the last play of the half.
 
The LA comment is a moot point. Yeah, he's way off as usual, but that's beside the point. It didn't matter.
 
stubbins said:
CDAGRIZ said:
stubbins said:
CDAGRIZ said:
But GrizLA, you said that the other team was on a roll, and that the odds were stacked against UM. Every coach holds for the last shot, but don't your caveats make holding for the last shot even more prudent?


I think that if you really were a smart coach, and not drinking the kool-aid, you would have your center try and tip in the opening jump....that would really be ballsy and show the other team you meant business.

Haha! Seriously though, what am I missing with LA's comment? I think he basically made the case for holding for the last shot, and then concluded that doing so was the wrong move...


the only thing I took from his post was not to drink kool-aid... The whole "don't go for the last shot of the half" thing is mind numbing.
yup, your are right...the Griz held for the last shot and they lost....amazing how many teams fail to score on that "play"...sorry, you have trouble understanding....going for the last shot is great...if there is less than 9 seconds or so left.....in this case, UM had 26 seconds, a tie game with a favored team playing at home and not playing that well.....2 7 footers for rebounding and a great pt guard able to drive and draw the foul...sorry to see you don't get it.....doesn't matter, the other team apparently did....
 

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