Appy Moving On Up...And Georgia Southern...

[MrTitleist]

I think we might all be surprised at just how "good" the new Big sky is.

I can't believe this little gem has fallen through the cracks. You're right.. bring on the Northern Colorado Bears! Bring on the Idaho State Bungles!

 

[stubbins]

Now for something to really raise your blood pressure all the while shouting heresy...Like or not, since Waded Cruzado became MSU's president the Cats have closed the gap with the Griz. Other than bringing a substantial stadium addition online in record time the most important factor working in Bozeman is attitude. Saddled with a UM prexy who advocated putting football on the shelf for 2013 there's increasing reason to wonder if it might not be the country cousins who would lead the way into a new competitive conference - dragging UM with them. What once seemed a pipe dream may have legs... :roll: Laugh at your own peril, but the Cats now have 4,000 more seats, better winning stats and a far more aggresive group of alumni and financial supporters than the Sunbelt bound Vandals. The last two years of D-1's musical chairs have proven that nothing is impossible...

I realize what with last years turmoil and first losing season since the 80's, the new "in thing" for a few Griz fans is to lick the cats balls
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Can we please wait for at least one quarterfinal win before we ever discuss the relevance of MsU football on this board again?

If you think the difference between Cruzado and Fuck nuts Royce is playoff wins, you are going to sadly, get left way behind. It's about forward thinking, attitude, and leadership. The UofM leadership is starting to lag far, far behind...regardless of what happens on the fucking football field.

 

[tnt]

I think we might all be surprised at just how "good" the new Big sky is.

I can't believe this little gem has fallen through the cracks. You're right.. bring on the Northern Colorado Bears! Bring on the Idaho State Bungles!

Those weren't the names that came to mind although I did forget that UNC finished ahead of us last year. I was thinking of the emerging power the last few yeears that hav either tied us for the championship, beat us or give us as much as we can handle EWU, UND, MSU, Cal Poly, Sac State etc. Either we are going backwards the last few years or everybody else is getting better......

 

[grizindabox]

I think we might all be surprised at just how "good" the new Big sky is.

I can't believe this little gem has fallen through the cracks. You're right.. bring on the Northern Colorado Bears! Bring on the Idaho State Bungles!

Those weren't the names that came to mind although I did forget that UNC finished ahead of us last year. I was thinking of the emerging power the last few yeears that hav either tied us for the championship, beat us or give us as much as we can handle EWU, UND, MSU, Cal Poly, Sac State etc. Either we are going backwards the last few years or everybody else is getting better......

Backwards...due to people that lack vision like yourself.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I think we might all be surprised at just how "good" the new Big sky is.

I can't believe this little gem has fallen through the cracks. You're right.. bring on the Northern Colorado Bears! Bring on the Idaho State Bungles!

Those weren't the names that came to mind although I did forget that UNC finished ahead of us last year. I was thinking of the emerging power the last few yeears that hav either tied us for the championship, beat us or give us as much as we can handle EWU, UND, MSU, Cal Poly, Sac State etc. Either we are going backwards the last few years or everybody else is getting better......

Mostly the former, a little of the latter.

 

[Silvertip]

I think we might all be surprised at just how "good" the new Big sky is.

I can't believe this little gem has fallen through the cracks. You're right.. bring on the Northern Colorado Bears! Bring on the Idaho State Bungles!

Those weren't the names that came to mind although I did forget that UNC finished ahead of us last year. I was thinking of the emerging power the last few yeears that hav either tied us for the championship, beat us or give us as much as we can handle EWU, UND, MSU, Cal Poly, Sac State etc. Either we are going backwards the last few years or everybody else is getting better......

Mostly the former, a little of the latter.

Linking Big Sky with "emerging power" classifies as an oxymoron...mostly moron.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

1. App State & Georgia Southern are moving from FCS up into FBS.
2. App State is overshadowed by North Carolina, NC State, Duke, E. Carolina, Coastal....
3. Georgia Southern was always the red head step child of Georgia, now upstart Geo State passes them up.
4. So it is a matter of "prestige" moving into a bottom feeder conference creating the illusion of parity.
5. Some on eGriz have p*nis envy and perceive these moves as "putting on their big boy pants".
6. Some on eGriz regret that we haven't jumped into the ranks of Idaho and New Mexico St.
7. Some on eGriz forgot moving up requires about $15 to $20 million today (adding additional sports, more scholarships, more new and expanded facilities, more staff, higher salaries...).
8. Some on eGriz forgot moving up would also require an additional $5 million or so each and every year to maintain the expanded athletics required.
9. Some on eGriz seem oblivious that the Sun Belt, Conf USA, MAC, etc... is about to be demoted out of the real FBS and become the "new" FBS Division II of college football.
That pretty well sums up what has happened and the reactions you're reading here. So if you have an extra $30 million or so to pony up the Griz could also jump up to join the new FBS Division II. Or, we could wait about three more years and join them without many of these unnecessary expenses.
:ugeek:

4.) It isnt a matter of prestige, its a matter of survival. There have been 3 FBS additions to the Appalachian recruiting region in the past few years, brand new programs.

9.) The Sun Belt will not be demoted. They, the CUSA, MWC, will not drop from 85 scholarships, and they wont play in a division in which others dont offer the full allotment of scholarships.

In addition to all that, App will be able to play, at home, the Marshalls, ECUs, Wake Forests, all of our natural rivals that we could not play before because of the FCS label. App has much room to grow, and the Sun Belt is only a fraction of the equation. The SB alone is a big step up in competition, the OOC will be gravy.

So, poo poo all you want about Montana making the jump, but dont pretend to have the remotest what is best for App.

Onion, I don't pretend to know what is best for App. What I posted are some of the reasons they are moving up. The situation there is significantly different than it is in Montana. You are surrounded by larger schools, and smaller ones trying to become pretenders (Geo State, etc...). As you point out this does have you surrounded by potential OOC rivals. In another post, you provided another important difference; the new $25 million gathered for the App State athletic dept. As a result, you are in a position to move up, and are being pressured on the outside to do so.

I'm happy for App State, and confident they'll thrive in their new conference. Yet I still maintain FBS is in flux and the end result is obvious. When it's all said and done there will be two separate (and very unequal) FBS levels. The SEC, Big 10, Pac 12's... want the whole damn pie. The Sunbelt and their ilk will be tossed a few crumbs to provide some out of conference scheduling but they are destined to be the new Division II of FBS football. Ultimately FCS will go away too with the top tier joining the new FBS Division II, and the rest dropping into the existing Division II. The big dogs are already building the wall, the resulting division of FBS is inevitable. Good Luck to the Mountaineers. I suspect they'll do well. Send us $25 million and we may join you sooner rather than later.
:ugeek:

 

[grizindabox]

1. App State & Georgia Southern are moving from FCS up into FBS.
2. App State is overshadowed by North Carolina, NC State, Duke, E. Carolina, Coastal....
3. Georgia Southern was always the red head step child of Georgia, now upstart Geo State passes them up.
4. So it is a matter of "prestige" moving into a bottom feeder conference creating the illusion of parity.
5. Some on eGriz have p*nis envy and perceive these moves as "putting on their big boy pants".
6. Some on eGriz regret that we haven't jumped into the ranks of Idaho and New Mexico St.
7. Some on eGriz forgot moving up requires about $15 to $20 million today (adding additional sports, more scholarships, more new and expanded facilities, more staff, higher salaries...).
8. Some on eGriz forgot moving up would also require an additional $5 million or so each and every year to maintain the expanded athletics required.
9. Some on eGriz seem oblivious that the Sun Belt, Conf USA, MAC, etc... is about to be demoted out of the real FBS and become the "new" FBS Division II of college football.
That pretty well sums up what has happened and the reactions you're reading here. So if you have an extra $30 million or so to pony up the Griz could also jump up to join the new FBS Division II. Or, we could wait about three more years and join them without many of these unnecessary expenses.
:ugeek:

4.) It isnt a matter of prestige, its a matter of survival. There have been 3 FBS additions to the Appalachian recruiting region in the past few years, brand new programs.

9.) The Sun Belt will not be demoted. They, the CUSA, MWC, will not drop from 85 scholarships, and they wont play in a division in which others dont offer the full allotment of scholarships.

In addition to all that, App will be able to play, at home, the Marshalls, ECUs, Wake Forests, all of our natural rivals that we could not play before because of the FCS label. App has much room to grow, and the Sun Belt is only a fraction of the equation. The SB alone is a big step up in competition, the OOC will be gravy.

So, poo poo all you want about Montana making the jump, but dont pretend to have the remotest what is best for App.

Onion, I don't pretend to know what is best for App. What I posted are some of the reasons they are moving up. The situation there is significantly different than it is in Montana. You are surrounded by larger schools, and smaller ones trying to become pretenders (Geo State, etc...). As you point out this does have you surrounded by potential OOC rivals. In another post, you provided another important difference; the new $25 million gathered for the App State athletic dept. As a result, you are in a position to move up, and are being pressured on the outside to do so.

I'm happy for App State, and confident they'll thrive in their new conference. Yet I still maintain FBS is in flux and the end result is obvious. When it's all said and done there will be two separate (and very unequal) FBS levels. The SEC, Big 10, Pac 12's... want the whole damn pie. The Sunbelt and their ilk will be tossed a few crumbs to provide some out of conference scheduling but they are destined to be the new Division II of FBS football. Ultimately FCS will go away too with the top tier joining the new FBS Division II, and the rest dropping into the existing Division II. The big dogs are already building the wall, the resulting division of FBS is inevitable. Good Luck to the Mountaineers. I suspect they'll do well. Send us $25 million and we may join you sooner rather than later.
:ugeek:

I will agree that the Big 5 want all the money and that FCS will go away. But the second tier will be the Sunbelt, MAC, conf USA etc and they will still get the trickle down from the Big 5, because as much as they do not want to admit, they will still need these smaller conferences and will allow enough money to trickle down. The FCS schools will either have to find a spot in these lower conferences, and these spots may be very close to being all gone, or move to D2.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

The FCS or its equivalent will not disappear because it allows those schools to be D1 in all sports. The NCAA would have to completely rewrite and reorganize its divisions to accomplish what some of you are suggesting.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

The FCS or its equivalent will not disappear because it allows those schools to be D1 in all sports. The NCAA would have to completely rewrite and reorganize its divisions to accomplish what some of you are suggesting.

That is what I believe will happen. The only question is if it's 3 years or 5 years from now.
The big dogs will dictate what THEY want and threaten to leave if they don't get it.
Then the NCAA will codify it so they don't let the big dogs slip away from them.
:ugeek:

 

[Yukon]

my gut tells me that the big sky will move up to FBS in football. Not all schools currently in the big sky will come along, but about 1/2 will. just an opinion.

 

[griz4life]

my gut tells me that the big sky will move up to FBS in football. Not all schools currently in the big sky will come along, but about 1/2 will. just an opinion.

Agreed. I could see the three California schools plus Portland State making the move.

 

[rimrockgriz]

my gut tells me that the big sky will move up to FBS in football. Not all schools currently in the big sky will come along, but about 1/2 will. just an opinion.

Wow! Where are we going to come up with that kind of dough? Uncle Denny? Football is the minor issue. Title IX is the killer.... I'm all for it, but I don't see it in the next 5..? It seems like we can't make a move without our red headed step child at bozeman state u...

 

[mtgrizrule]

We can put this issue to rest by being a basketball school only. That would cut reduce scholarships and expenses by a lot. Before I am hung, I am joking. I am tired of this issue. It is not good when a person is concerned and a little scared on either decision Our work is cut out for us either way, and there is no room for error in whatever decisions are made.

 

[PhilPonder]

This news makes me sad.

I hear you, bro. I have mixed emotions including sadness. I can't help but wonder if App State football will ever be really special again. Some of us just assume/hope that ASU will be the next Boise State, but really, what are the odds? It's been incredibly fun being near the top of the heap for the last 7 years. Three NCs, beating Michigan, and all that. Those were some special times that will likely never be duplicated.

 

[PlayerRep]

This news makes me sad.

I hear you, bro. I have mixed emotions including sadness. I can't help but wonder if App State football will ever be really special again. Some of us just assume/hope that ASU will be the next Boise State, but really, what are the odds? It's been incredibly fun being near the top of the heap for the last 7 years. Three NCs, beating Michigan, and all that. Those were some special times that will likely never be duplicated.

Yup. Too bad from my point of view. Probably going from top of the heap to also-ran. If any move-up team can rise towards the top, it's probably App St. Good luck to you. However, I have a hard time believing that big success can be done in the midst of so many other existing and wanting-to-climb FBS teams. I think App St can go to the top of the Sun Belt, but that conference is pretty weak. I hope App St doesn't end up in obscurity. Plus, not being eligible for the playoffs or bowl games for the next couple years. Bummer.

 

[Ursa Major]

This news makes me sad.

I hear you, bro. I have mixed emotions including sadness. I can't help but wonder if App State football will ever be really special again. Some of us just assume/hope that ASU will be the next Boise State, but really, what are the odds? It's been incredibly fun being near the top of the heap for the last 7 years. Three NCs, beating Michigan, and all that. Those were some special times that will likely never be duplicated.

Yup. Too bad from my point of view. Probably going from top of the heap to also-ran. If any move-up team can rise towards the top, it's probably App St. Good luck to you. However, I have a hard time believing that big success can be done in the midst of so many other existing and wanting-to-climb FBS teams. I think App St can go to the top of the Sun Belt, but that conference is pretty weak. I hope App St doesn't end up in obscurity. Plus, not being eligible for the playoffs or bowl games for the next couple years. Bummer.

Great post, PR! I couldn't agree more and I wish the best to our friends in Boone!!

 

[mtgrizrule]

Why can't App State be in the playoffs this season? If I recall Old Dominion and Texas State could still be in the playoffs despite moving up.

 

[griznation23]

Sad one bad season and now Cats are top ranked team!?! :lol: :lol: Now we think that app and GS moving out makes it worse :? GrizNation is all that matters. and for all i know, sCats are nolonger contenders and Griz are back :clap: :thumb: Count on that buddies :ugeek:

 

[JBS]

Why can't App State be in the playoffs this season? If I recall Old Dominion and Texas State could still be in the playoffs despite moving up.

The way I understand it is that they will both be eligible this year, but not next, because next year will be the transitional year. Not sure though.