Appy Moving On Up...And Georgia Southern...

[GlassOnion]

1. App State & Georgia Southern are moving from FCS up into FBS.
2. App State is overshadowed by North Carolina, NC State, Duke, E. Carolina, Coastal....
3. Georgia Southern was always the red head step child of Georgia, now upstart Geo State passes them up.
4. So it is a matter of "prestige" moving into a bottom feeder conference creating the illusion of parity.
5. Some on eGriz have p*nis envy and perceive these moves as "putting on their big boy pants".
6. Some on eGriz regret that we haven't jumped into the ranks of Idaho and New Mexico St.
7. Some on eGriz forgot moving up requires about $15 to $20 million today (adding additional sports, more scholarships, more new and expanded facilities, more staff, higher salaries...).
8. Some on eGriz forgot moving up would also require an additional $5 million or so each and every year to maintain the expanded athletics required.
9. Some on eGriz seem oblivious that the Sun Belt, Conf USA, MAC, etc... is about to be demoted out of the real FBS and become the "new" FBS Division II of college football.
That pretty well sums up what has happened and the reactions you're reading here. So if you have an extra $30 million or so to pony up the Griz could also jump up to join the new FBS Division II. Or, we could wait about three more years and join them without many of these unnecessary expenses.
:ugeek:

1.) Who is this Coastal that is oveshadowing App?

4.) It isnt a matter of prestige, its a matter of survival. There have been 3 FBS additions to the Appalachian recruiting region in the past few years, brand new programs.

Ga St, ODU and UNCC. That is a total of 255 brand spanking new scholarship offers in our region, all recruiting with an FBS label. Georgia Southern is moving also, so that make 277 more competing scholarships.

9.) The Sun Belt will not be demoted. They, the CUSA, MWC, will not drop from 85 scholarships, and they wont play in a division in which others dont offer the full allotment of scholarships.

In addition to all that, App will be able to play, at home, the Marshalls, ECUs, Wake Forests, all of our natural rivals that we could not play before because of the FCS label. App has much room to grow, and the Sun Belt is only a fraction of the equation. The SB alone is a big step up in competition, the OOC will be gravy.

So, poo poo all you want about Montana making the jump, but dont pretend to have the remotest what is best for App.

 

[pussycatkillerz]

Now for something to really raise your blood pressure all the while shouting heresy...Like or not, since Waded Cruzado became MSU's president the Cats have closed the gap with the Griz. Other than bringing a substantial stadium addition online in record time the most important factor working in Bozeman is attitude. Saddled with a UM prexy who advocated putting football on the shelf for 2013 there's increasing reason to wonder if it might not be the country cousins who would lead the way into a new competitive conference - dragging UM with them. What once seemed a pipe dream may have legs... :roll: Laugh at your own peril, but the Cats now have 4,000 more seats, better winning stats and a far more aggresive group of alumni and financial supporters than the Sunbelt bound Vandals. The last two years of D-1's musical chairs have proven that nothing is impossible...

I realize what with last years turmoil and first losing season since the 80's, the new "in thing" for a few Griz fans is to lick the cats balls
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Can we please wait for at least one quarterfinal win before we ever discuss the relevance of MsU football on this board again?

 

[grizindabox]

I've been waiting for this discussion for more than a year, because I really do want to know why we should move up. Aside from the "ego" thing for some fans, what advantages does moving up offer beside losing more games, playing fewer games (in a playoff year) spending more money on program (with a doubtful offsetting revenue increase)

Guess ASU and Ga Southern have a "whole lot of ego" and there are no really good reasons.

 

[GlassOnion]

BTW, App's revenue increases are already in place. Dr. Peacock raised $25 million for an athletics type endowement. FBS games will pay out the nose for an FBS team compared to FCS, IE Michigan in 2014 will pay App over a $1,000,000 to play them as FBS versus $400,000 FCS.

 

[grizindabox]

BTW, App's revenue increases are already in place. Dr. Peacock raised $25 million for an athletics type endowement. FBS games will pay out the nose for an FBS team compared to FCS, IE Michigan in 2014 will pay App over a $1,000,000 to play them as FBS versus $400,000 FCS.

Quite trying to use real facts to base your argument...people around here do not like that.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

I've been waiting for this discussion for more than a year, because I really do want to know why we should move up. Aside from the "ego" thing for some fans, what advantages does moving up offer beside losing more games, playing fewer games (in a playoff year) spending more money on program (with a doubtful offsetting revenue increase)

Well, moving up wouldn't just be about football - we'd get better basketball teams playing at home (because they'd have to play here), would be in a more competitive conference for basketball and track and field - competition brings out the best in athletes - so while football wouldn't really gain a heckuva lot, it can be argued that our other sports have more to gain than football would.

 

[grizindabox]

I've been waiting for this discussion for more than a year, because I really do want to know why we should move up. Aside from the "ego" thing for some fans, what advantages does moving up offer beside losing more games, playing fewer games (in a playoff year) spending more money on program (with a doubtful offsetting revenue increase)

Well, moving up wouldn't just be about football - we'd get better basketball teams playing at home (because they'd have to play here), would be in a more competitive conference for basketball and track and field - competition brings out the best in athletes - so while football wouldn't really gain a heckuva lot, it can be argued that our other sports have more to gain than football would.

Football may have to move just to maintain what they have worked for up to this point in time.

 

[BigPawzSharpClawz]

I just read all of the posts here and it is really nauseating... Can someone summarize this for me in a format so I don't get another migrane...?? uppy:

1. App State & Georgia Southern are moving from FCS up into FBS.
2. App State is overshadowed by North Carolina, NC State, Duke, E. Carolina, Coastal....
3. Georgia Southern was always the red head step child of Georgia, now upstart Geo State passes them up.
4. So it is a matter of "prestige" moving into a bottom feeder conference creating the illusion of parity.
5. Some on eGriz have p*nis envy and perceive these moves as "putting on their big boy pants".
6. Some on eGriz regret that we haven't jumped into the ranks of Idaho and New Mexico St.
7. Some on eGriz forgot moving up requires about $15 to $20 million today (adding additional sports, more scholarships, more new and expanded facilities, more staff, higher salaries...).
8. Some on eGriz forgot moving up would also require an additional $5 million or so each and every year to maintain the expanded athletics required.
9. Some on eGriz seem oblivious that the Sun Belt, Conf USA, MAC, etc... is about to be demoted out of the real FBS and become the "new" FBS Division II of college football.

That pretty well sums up what has happened and the reactions you're reading here. So if you have an extra $30 million or so to pony up the Griz could also jump up to join the new FBS Division II. Or, we could wait about three more years and join them without many of these unnecessary expenses.
:ugeek:

not happening but keep hoping

MANY of the same reasons listed above...are the reasons behind my statement!

 

[Umista]

This all makes my big ego seem small and large at the same time.

To eliminate all the stress I am contacting Royce right away and get his take.
Next I am checking with Haslam.
Further I will meet with Pat like in Williams.
The new Gov. should be contacted as well.
My ex wife (the one from Bozeman) should be asked her opinion.
Florio is on my list.
Alpha might share an opinion after 6 shots of moon.

 

[tnt]

Well, moving up wouldn't just be about football - we'd get better basketball teams playing at home (because they'd have to play here), would be in a more competitive conference for basketball and track and field - competition brings out the best in athletes - so while football wouldn't really gain a heckuva lot, it can be argued that our other sports have more to gain than football would.

That makes sense. When I was at Gonzaga we had 3000 students and were hoping for Bing Crosby to die suddenly so we could pay the bills (nothing like a tower shooting to ruin enrollment) Fortunatley he did. In any event they are now the school basketball built now at about 8000. They have increase BB spending in the last few years to over 6 million (from a hair over 1) But would moving up provide any advantages to the University itself? Its gonna be hard to pay a seven figure coaching salary with our limited seating (and population base) in light of the fact we have one of the lowest paid facultys around without a prettyy good enrollment increase and revenue jump.

I found this pretty intresting:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1464724-boise-state-football-the-broncos-and-the-mwc-have-a-rare-reset-opportunity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; especially in light of the "automatic bowl bid.

I think we might all be surprised at just how "good" the new Big sky is.

 

[grizindabox]

I do not believe the separation in FBS is going to be as drastic as people thought. I see this move by ASU, ODU, and GaSo as a move to be in the second tier that has developed, and I am not sure it will go away. As much as the Big 5 conference want to separate, they still need the others enough that they can not completely throw them away. They will do everything possible to keep most of the financial windfall, but will keep feeding the bottom. I think it is more possible that FCS goes away, and teams either find a spot like ASU and GaSo did, or catch on with the top D2 programs.

 

[billings_poke]

9.) The Sun Belt will not be demoted. They, the CUSA, MWC, will not drop from 85 scholarships, and they wont play in a division in which others dont offer the full allotment of scholarships.

There are plenty of reason to stay in FCS or move up and each school has to find where they want to belong. That is fine, but believing that the mid tier of FBS will drop down a division or that the cost of playing at that mid level is going to drop is not a good plan if you ever want to be playing the mid-tier schools.

MWC just signed a $20 million dollar a year TV deal with CBS and ESPN, as well as putting 5 teams in the NCAA dance for a large NCAA BB payday. I don't see them leaving that level of pay and exposure while that money is still there. No way any of those schools will move away from that branding and money. The Big Move down simply isn't happening anytime soon, especially with many of the top 5 moving to no longer play FCS schools there is a scheduling need for the mid tier conferences. Appy fan is right the money is too good to not stay mid tier. Wyoming has Oregon, Missouri, and washington state coming to Laramie in the next few years. Sorry but the school will do everything it can to keep that kind of scheduling.

ONly hope to not spend money yet still get to play the mid-tier FBS is to hope the NCAA totally falls apart. Seems like a real long shot to me. Better to just admit you like staying in the FCS

 

[billings_poke]

I do not believe the separation in FBS is going to be as drastic as people thought. I see this move by ASU, ODU, and GaSo as a move to be in the second tier that has developed, and I am not sure it will go away. As much as the Big 5 conference want to separate, they still need the others enough that they can not completely throw them away. They will do everything possible to keep most of the financial windfall, but will keep feeding the bottom. I think it is more possible that FCS goes away, and teams either find a spot like ASU and GaSo did, or catch on with the top D2 programs.

Bingo. Big boys want 7-8 home games and are moving away from FCS due to TV demands. Mid-Tier FBS is not going away. Already many FCS programs want to lower the number of scholarships not up them.

 

[GlassOnion]

Another reason, if anybody still isnt convinced, App State was on TV just once last season. Against ECU. Not one single Socon game was televised. The SB has an ESPN deal, will delegate out to regional networks, and will cut App a check of about $1,000,000 every year. OOC can also be picked up. There is a market for App/ECU/Marshall/Wake Forest level games in the east. Even an App/GSU game.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

Yeah, good points about raising more revenue to make the jump, I was just responding to the fact that our other sports would probably benefit more in a "move-up" than football.

 

[DoubleNicks]

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[Griz66]

The question was posed as to who "Coastal" is that is overshadowing ApState and that is Coastal Carolina and that is likely the case at least for now. It was also stated that GA State is surpassing GA Southern. I am living in GA and that is far from the case in terms of playing decent football. Yes GSU is moving up to FBS but they are awful at best and play before 7-10,000 "fans" in the 71,000 seat GA Dome in Atlanta. They have a long ways to go before they become even close to competitive. GA Southern will always be second fiddle to UGA but not likely to GSU for a long long time. The Griz could easily compete with most teams in the expanded Sun Belt, not saying we should move up to FBS at all but the competition would be better than current BigSky but not by a big margin. Just my two cents worth

 

[GlassOnion]

The question was posed as to who "Coastal" is that is overshadowing ApState and that is Coastal Carolina and that is likely the case at least for now.

You must be joking.

If that is a serious statement, then I seriously cannot take anything you post seriously. Seriously.

Is there anyone else that knows ANYTHING about the south east football under the ACC/SEC level?

 

[Silvertip]

I have been convinced not to move up. At least I aint for it quite YET. I want to let the dust settle on all this jockeying around for conferences. A buddy of mine has convinced me that moving up changes a lot more than many of use know.

WAC, MWC, Conference USA (if they form a true western conference) & PAC-12 are only regional choices right now. Personally, I wont be surprised if a new western USA college football conference is created. I have learned that all this is about money. You best think like a business man & not a fan.

Surely you must realize that has always been UM's problem. They've never been ready "quite YET."
Sorry to say, but most of the dust has already settled in the West where opportunities to affiliate with peer institutuions have been few and far between - and now border somewhere closer to none...

 

[grizindabox]