All but one conference profitable after CFP playoff

[Spanky]

Northwest....are you a state college person just taking shots at UM? If so, you are in a weak position for this endeavor.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

I'll add that TCU, another rich private school, is in fertile recruiting grounds. So out of that list, at least 9 of the programs should not be compared to UM.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Northwest....are you a state college person just taking shots at UM? If so, you are in a weak position for this endeavor.

I'm not taking shots at UM. It's a great program that is in the correct division for the size of the city and the recruiting areas surrounding it. I'm taking shots at those who think that moving up to the MWC (if they would even accept UM) doesn't have a very high risk factor. Based on facilities alone, UM is so far behind other MWC programs it would be embarrassing at the start.

So far, I've learned that:

1) Location doesn't matter because MSO has direct flights to 12 cities.
2) Enrollment doesn't matter because of Notre Dame and Wake Forest.
3) Facilities won't be an issue because of the GCC which may or may not be done in two years.
4) UM could compete for a national championship at the FBS level.
5) If not, UM could compete for a "Little 5" championship.
6) An indoor practice facility is on the drawing board after two major projects, neither of which have started, are completed.
7) Donor base doesn't matter, because of the Washingtons (maybe, but unless they can pay players, recruiting is still a huge issue).

Hell, I want UM to move up. MSU would get most of the Montana players, including drop-downs from UM who sit behind out-of-state players, and UM would become just another "Little" program nobody cares about nationally that's filled with second- and third-rate players from California.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The Griz haven't won a BSC title since 2009, yet they belong in the MWC over the Big Sky because the BSC isn't competitive enough for the Griz? :lol:

I love the delusion here. It always delivers. The Boise references are always amusing, too. You do understand the huge difference in corporate money when you compare Boise to Missoula, right? Also, you can get direct flights to Boise from many more cities than you can into MSO.

Oh, well that's it then. Our dream is officially dead. Nobody flys direct into Missoula.

http://www.flymissoula.com/airline_and_flight_information/nonstop_destinations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Non-Stop Destinations
Missoula International Airport is served by four airlines that offer direct flights to twelve major U.S. markets with connecting flights to thousands of cities worldwide.

let's take this and compare it to let's say, Lincoln Nebraska, home of the Nebraska Cornhuskers. How many direct flights do they get?

- Chicago, IL
- Denver, CO
- Minneapolis, MN
- Omaha, NE

Wow, 12 direct destinations, with many of them only having one flight a day.

Yep, MSO is "big-time." Do they still have the stuffed bear or whatever it is in the tiny little lobby?

You are hilarious. "There's no direct flights into Missoula!" Gets proven wrong. "Well they only have one flight a day!" What are you going to change your argument to when THAT is proven incorrect? Denver, Chicago, Minneapolis, SLC, Seattle, all have multiple flights in per day. Here's a newsflash for you: unless you LIVE in a hub city, you can't fly ANYWHERE EXCEPT a hub city directly.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

"There's no direct flights into Missoula!" Gets proven wrong.

Please point out where I posted that there are "no direct flights" into Missoula.

Here is what I actually posted, since you don't seem very bright. Either that, or you're a liar. Your pick.

Also, you can get direct flights to Boise from many more cities than you can into MSO.

Here is a list of direct flights to/from Boise. 21 > 12 last time I checked, and 4 of the MSO flights are "seasonal."

http://www.iflyboise.com/flight-information/non-stop-destinations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also, are you ever going to own up to your ignorance about "big time" schools offering guaranteed 4-year scholarships?

 

[GrizLA]

Well, if anyone follows media developments, the Merryweather fight has created huge stirs in Los Angeles and the many cable stations located here, including ESPN that now see just how vulnerable they are to the new technologies. So, those big fat contracts with the big conferences are being looked at again and I am willing to bet that within 4 years, possibly 5, there will be pay per view only and that means the market for UM games. already very small, will be limited to those Griz fans that will pay whatever the traffic bears. I think UM is doing itself a good service by being cautious. There are big things happening in the tech world and for smaller conferences and local schools, that might not be a good thing. UM cannot even stream its own games as it is....if the TV market closes, just where is the money going to come from in a state whose legislature won't even fund need improvements in infrastructure?

 

[AZGrizFan]

"There's no direct flights into Missoula!" Gets proven wrong.

Please point out where I posted that there are "no direct flights" into Missoula.

Here is what I actually posted, since you don't seem very bright. Either that, or you're a liar. Your pick.

Also, you can get direct flights to Boise from many more cities than you can into MSO.

Here is a list of direct flights to/from Boise. 21 > 12 last time I checked, and 4 of the MSO flights are "seasonal."

http://www.iflyboise.com/flight-information/non-stop-destinations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also, are you ever going to own up to your ignorance about "big time" schools offering guaranteed 4-year scholarships?

You don't read very well do you? Then again, you're a bobscat so that explains it all.

 

[NavyBlue]

There are more direct flights into Missoula than there are to Logan, UT. Logan is pretty close to 100 miles from SLC, by the way.

Logan is 80 miles from Salt Lake City and has over 2x the students that UM has. Missoula is 80 miles from Deer Lodge, by comparison. Bigger donor base, twice the endowment, major metropolitan area from which to recruit ... need I go on as to why Logan is a better FBS location than Missoula?

Yes, please do.

I can think of advantages that UM has over USU:
The first place in the pecking order in competition for players and fans in its state, instead of third.
UM has more season ticket holders.
UM has more members in its athlectics booster club.
UM has better average home football attendance.
UM has a longer winning tradition, albeit at the FCS level.
UM is not in a town that is Mormon cultural dominant, a plus for most recruits.
I really doubt or donor base is much bigger than UM's, we have BYU and a Pac-12 school in our backyard. UM doesn't. UM is, was, and always will be number university in Montana. USU will never be number one in Utah.
Much of the larger enrollement you speak of is at branch campuses throughout the state, no doubt most of those students are BYU and Utah fans as they have no reall connection to the Logan campus.

Northwest I notice you didn't address my points above. I have never said and I don't think anyone has said that MWC schools are going to be competing the the Alabama's and Ohio State's of the world. I do believe my examples above do show that since USU can be successful in the MWC that UM certainly could too. If the right people were in place and they wanted to.

Yes, I know the Griz don't have an invitation to join, but to say they could NEVER compete if invited I don't accept.

Since we are back on the issue of travel. I live int he Midwest, if I want to go to Logan I fly to Salt Lake, rent a car drive 85-90 miles to get to Logan. If I want to go to Missoula, guess what! I fly to Missoula! So yes, I still say Missoula is easier to get to.

I understand that as a Cat fan the idea of the Griz leaving the Big Sky is a threat to you. You know the Big Sky Conference would still go on but be greatly diminished if the Griz left. Kind of like how Iowa State fans would feel like if Texas were to leave the Big 12. Don't worry the Griz aren't going anywhere.

 

[NavyBlue]

Northwest....are you a state college person just taking shots at UM? If so, you are in a weak position for this endeavor.

I'm not taking shots at UM. It's a great program that is in the correct division for the size of the city and the recruiting areas surrounding it. I'm taking shots at those who think that moving up to the MWC (if they would even accept UM) doesn't have a very high risk factor. Based on facilities alone, UM is so far behind other MWC programs it would be embarrassing at the start.

So far, I've learned that:

1) Location doesn't matter because MSO has direct flights to 12 cities.
2) Enrollment doesn't matter because of Notre Dame and Wake Forest.
3) Facilities won't be an issue because of the GCC which may or may not be done in two years.
4) UM could compete for a national championship at the FBS level.
5) If not, UM could compete for a "Little 5" championship.
6) An indoor practice facility is on the drawing board after two major projects, neither of which have started, are completed.
7) Donor base doesn't matter, because of the Washingtons (maybe, but unless they can pay players, recruiting is still a huge issue).

Hell, I want UM to move up. MSU would get most of the Montana players, including drop-downs from UM who sit behind out-of-state players, and UM would become just another "Little" program nobody cares about nationally that's filled with second- and third-rate players from California.[/quote]
BS! If the Griz were to move to the MWC that would mean that the Cats' annual ass kicking to the Griz would never be in Bozeman anymore!

 

[NavyBlue]

Blue, I must ask you to stop. Your posts are doing serious damage to the belief held by a few very vocal fans that this could never work because we're Montana. Never mind that your posts are 100% accurate. Facts have never swayed this group, and at some point it's just like you're trying to rub their nose in it.....

These people that say UM COULDN'T do it drive me nuts. Of course UM COULD if the right people were in place and they WANTED too!

In 2007 and 2008 USU was a laughingstock and would have been creamed by at least half of the Big Sky and now one of the better MWC teams. Back then some people said we could NEVER be good, and should drop to FCS or drop football altogether. These are the same people that say UM COULD never be any good as an MWC level team. If they were at Kitty Hawk with the Wright brothers they would have said "you will NEVER fly, so we even TRY!"

Utah State has to play 2 "money" road games each season, and hasn't had more than six home games since moving up to FBS. Hell, in 2009,. they had only 5 home games. The same would happen with the Griz. A FCS game at home, and then two money games on the road against "big-time" programs. I highly doubt UM fans are willing to give up up to two home games a year in order to be a .500 team in the WAC, let alone the MWC.

We are playing what I might call one money game this year. Washington. I don't expect to win, but I think it is possible we could. The players love those games. No, I don't consider BYU and Utah as "money games" we could make more than they pay and the BYU game is at home this year. Not to mention we have beaten both in recent years. Keep trying Northwest!

 

[NorthwestFresh]

You don't read very well do you? Then again, you're a bobscat so that explains it all.

Huh? I wrote this:

so, you can get direct flights to Boise from many more cities than you can into MSO.

Which you somehow interpreted as this:

AZGrizFan wrote:
"There's no direct flights into Missoula!" Gets proven wrong.

Yet I'm the one who can't read? No wonder enrollment is dropping at the theater and dance school.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Kind of like how Iowa State fans would feel like if Texas were to leave the Big 12. Don't worry the Griz aren't going anywhere.

I already said I hope that UM does move up, and that I don't care if the Bobcats lose to them every year. I posted both of these things, yet you seem too stupid to actually read what I'm writing. Are USU grads like you as dumb as UM fans such as spanky and AZGriz, who also can't read what is actually being written?

It's hilarious for you to call UM "Texas," too, considering the Griz have won exactly as many national titles as MSU. Comparatively, UM aligns more closely with Oregon's success path, except Oregon is at an apex, while UM hasn't won a conference title in 6 years, let alone play for a championship.

 

[Spanky]

Northwest....why are you so concerned about UM? Worry about your athletic program and compare the results to the Griz. Or you can become a Griz fan.

 

[PlayerRep]

Northwest....why are you so concerned about UM? Worry about your athletic program and compare the results to the Griz. Or you can become a Griz fan.

He's just a troll and often a jerk, Spanky.

 

[Spanky]

Yes, for sure!

 

[garizzalies]

the Griz have won exactly as many national titles as MSU.

I realize you're just another delusional cat fan trying desperately to gain attention from your big brother, as so clearly demonstrated by your above comment, but my question to you is, what changed? If I remember correctly, weren't you one of those cross-overs that pretended to be a griz fan because you're an alum of both schools or something like that, but now your just full-on-troll? Much like the poster, GoldenShower, you've gone full-retard and can never go back.

 

[Spanky]

Ask Northwest how many games state college has won against the Griz? Just curious.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Ask Northwest how many games state college has won against the Griz? Just curious.

How many classes did you take at UM? :lol:

How is the bandwagon?

 

[Spanky]

Oh,there you are.......what is the Griz-Cat win-loss record?

 

[UNDfan]

Blue, I must ask you to stop. Your posts are doing serious damage to the belief held by a few very vocal fans that this could never work because we're Montana. Never mind that your posts are 100% accurate. Facts have never swayed this group, and at some point it's just like you're trying to rub their nose in it.....

These people that say UM COULDN'T do it drive me nuts. Of course UM COULD if the right people were in place and they WANTED too!

In 2007 and 2008 USU was a laughingstock and would have been creamed by at least half of the Big Sky and now one of the better MWC teams. Back then some people said we could NEVER be good, and should drop to FCS or drop football altogether. These are the same people that say UM COULD never be any good as an MWC level team. If they were at Kitty Hawk with the Wright brothers they would have said "you will NEVER fly, so we even TRY!"

Yet your the same poster who said the Big Sky jettisoning some schools, adding SDSU and NDSU and maybe NMSU, getting an FBS rule change so the Big Sky can go FBS is nuts.

Fullerton has been quoted in ND newspapers that he wants to get NDSU and other Dakotas and go FBS, yet as a poster I get reamed by you and other Griz fans for bringing it up.

UM adminstration know that MWC membership isn't in the cards for financial, media, and political issues. The MWC will take Texas schools well before any Big Sky ones.

Montana admins want its own Sunbelt FBS league, and Fullerton is working toward that goal.