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[NavyBlue]

I think it can be concluded that the availibility of flights to and from Missoula is not what is keeping UM out of the MWC.

 

[grizindabox]

I think it can be concluded that the availibility of flights to and from Missoula is not what is keeping UM out of the MWC.

Actually it is Griz fans that are still living in the past...like 7 years or more in the past. Maybe some money issues too....but mostly the Griz fans thinking it is still 2005.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

There are more direct flights into Missoula than there are to Logan, UT. Logan is pretty close to 100 miles from SLC, by the way.

Logan is 80 miles from Salt Lake City and has over 2x the students that UM has. Missoula is 80 miles from Deer Lodge, by comparison. Bigger donor base, twice the endowment, major metropolitan area from which to recruit ... need I go on as to why Logan is a better FBS location than Missoula?

 

[get'em_griz]

There are more direct flights into Missoula than there are to Logan, UT. Logan is pretty close to 100 miles from SLC, by the way.

Logan is 80 miles from Salt Lake City and has over 2x the students that UM has. Missoula is 80 miles from Deer Lodge, by comparison. Bigger donor base, twice the endowment, major metropolitan area from which to recruit ... need I go on as to why Logan is a better FBS location than Missoula?

The enrollment excuse for a school not being able to compete at the FBS level is a joke.

1. University of Tulsa - American Conference - 4,352
2. Air Force - Mountain West - 4,417
3. Navy - American Conference - 4,536
4. Army - Independent - 4,591
5. Rice - C-USA Conference - 6,498
6. Wake Forest - ACC - 7,432
7. Louisiana-Monroe - Sun Belt - 8,632
8. TCU - Big 12 - 10,033
9. Louisiana Tech - C-USA - 11,271
11. SMU - American - 12,000
12. Notre Dame - Independent - 12,126
13. Idaho - Sun Belt - 12,493
14. Wyoming - 12,496
15. Vanderbilt - SEC - 12,686
16. Arkansas State - Sun Belt - 13,415
17. Tulane - American - 13,462
18. Boston College - ACC - 13,783
19. Montana - Big Sky - 13,952
20. Marshall - C-USA - 14,196
21. Duke - ACC - 14,591

 

[NavyBlue]

There are more direct flights into Missoula than there are to Logan, UT. Logan is pretty close to 100 miles from SLC, by the way.

Logan is 80 miles from Salt Lake City and has over 2x the students that UM has. Missoula is 80 miles from Deer Lodge, by comparison. Bigger donor base, twice the endowment, major metropolitan area from which to recruit ... need I go on as to why Logan is a better FBS location than Missoula?

Yes, please do.

I can think of advantages that UM has over USU:
The first place in the pecking order in competition for players and fans in its state, instead of third.
UM has more season ticket holders.
UM has more members in its athlectics booster club.
UM has better average home football attendance.
UM has a longer winning tradition, albeit at the FCS level.
UM is not in a town that is Mormon cultural dominant, a plus for most recruits.
I really doubt or donor base is much bigger than UM's, we have BYU and a Pac-12 school in our backyard. UM doesn't. UM is, was, and always will be number university in Montana. USU will never be number one in Utah.
Much of the larger enrollement you speak of is at branch campuses throughout the state, no doubt most of those students are BYU and Utah fans as they have no reall connection to the Logan campus.

 

[EverettGriz]

Blue, I must ask you to stop. Your posts are doing serious damage to the belief held by a few very vocal fans that this could never work because we're Montana. Never mind that your posts are 100% accurate. Facts have never swayed this group, and at some point it's just like you're trying to rub their nose in it.....

 

[AZGrizFan]

There are more direct flights into Missoula than there are to Logan, UT. Logan is pretty close to 100 miles from SLC, by the way.

Logan is 80 miles from Salt Lake City and has over 2x the students that UM has. Missoula is 80 miles from Deer Lodge, by comparison. Bigger donor base, twice the endowment, major metropolitan area from which to recruit ... need I go on as to why Logan is a better FBS location than Missoula?

So it's NOT the number of direct flights, then? :lol: :lol:

 

[NavyBlue]

Blue, I must ask you to stop. Your posts are doing serious damage to the belief held by a few very vocal fans that this could never work because we're Montana. Never mind that your posts are 100% accurate. Facts have never swayed this group, and at some point it's just like you're trying to rub their nose in it.....

These people that say UM COULDN'T do it drive me nuts. Of course UM COULD if the right people were in place and they WANTED too!

In 2007 and 2008 USU was a laughingstock and would have been creamed by at least half of the Big Sky and now one of the better MWC teams. Back then some people said we could NEVER be good, and should drop to FCS or drop football altogether. These are the same people that say UM COULD never be any good as an MWC level team. If they were at Kitty Hawk with the Wright brothers they would have said "you will NEVER fly, so we even TRY!"

 

[EverettGriz]

Dammit!! There you go with Logic and Sense again Blue. I thought we'd covered this.

 

[NavyBlue]

Dammit!! There you go with Logic and Sense again Blue. I thought we'd covered this.

Yeah, you're right I will stop, for now. :lol:

 

[KoolMoeDee]

Dammit!! There you go with Logic and Sense again Blue. I thought we'd covered this.

Yeah, you're right I will stop, for now. :lol:

When do you expect the MWC to call ?

 

[Htowngriz]

Dammit!! There you go with Logic and Sense again Blue. I thought we'd covered this.

Yeah, you're right I will stop, for now. :lol:

When do you expect the MWC to call ?

That's really not what this discussion is about...

 

[Spanky]

Engstrom is on the phone with them.

 

[Htowngriz]

Engstrom is on the phone with them.

To discuss the latest issue of Cat Fancy?

 

[NorthwestFresh]

There are more direct flights into Missoula than there are to Logan, UT. Logan is pretty close to 100 miles from SLC, by the way.

Logan is 80 miles from Salt Lake City and has over 2x the students that UM has. Missoula is 80 miles from Deer Lodge, by comparison. Bigger donor base, twice the endowment, major metropolitan area from which to recruit ... need I go on as to why Logan is a better FBS location than Missoula?

The enrollment excuse for a school not being able to compete at the FBS level is a joke.

1. University of Tulsa - American Conference - 4,352
2. Air Force - Mountain West - 4,417
3. Navy - American Conference - 4,536
4. Army - Independent - 4,591
5. Rice - C-USA Conference - 6,498
6. Wake Forest - ACC - 7,432
7. Louisiana-Monroe - Sun Belt - 8,632
8. TCU - Big 12 - 10,033
9. Louisiana Tech - C-USA - 11,271
11. SMU - American - 12,000
12. Notre Dame - Independent - 12,126
13. Idaho - Sun Belt - 12,493
14. Wyoming - 12,496
15. Vanderbilt - SEC - 12,686
16. Arkansas State - Sun Belt - 13,415
17. Tulane - American - 13,462
18. Boston College - ACC - 13,783
19. Montana - Big Sky - 13,952
20. Marshall - C-USA - 14,196
21. Duke - ACC - 14,591

Other than the five wealthy private schools (Notre Dame/BC/Duke/Vandy/Wake Forest), and the military acadamies, the rest of those programs are garbage who make a bowl game every 3 years or so in some craphole southern city. Every single one of them, too, outside of Idaho, is much closer to legitimate FBS recruiting areas than is Missoula.

Having a larger enrollment means you have a larger alumni base, and being near SLC means more businesses that have USU alumni can donate to the university's football program/athletic department.

Take away Notre Dame, BC, Duke, Vandy, Wake Forest, and the military academies from your list, and it's a bunch of sorry programs with little enthusiasm for the football program. If that's what UM aspires to be, I think you're going to lose a lot of the bandwagon fans who want to watch a winner.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

By the looks of the numbers, yes, the GRIZ belong more in the MWC than the Big Sky. What will rest of the Big Sky conference do to become a better and more competitive conference?

The Griz haven't won a BSC title since 2009, yet they belong in the MWC over the Big Sky because the BSC isn't competitive enough for the Griz? :lol:

I love the delusion here. It always delivers. The Boise references are always amusing, too. You do understand the huge difference in corporate money when you compare Boise to Missoula, right? Also, you can get direct flights to Boise from many more cities than you can into MSO.

Oh, well that's it then. Our dream is officially dead. Nobody flys direct into Missoula.

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Non-Stop Destinations
Missoula International Airport is served by four airlines that offer direct flights to twelve major U.S. markets with connecting flights to thousands of cities worldwide.

let's take this and compare it to let's say, Lincoln Nebraska, home of the Nebraska Cornhuskers. How many direct flights do they get?

- Chicago, IL
- Denver, CO
- Minneapolis, MN
- Omaha, NE

Wow, 12 direct destinations, with many of them only having one flight a day.

Yep, MSO is "big-time." Do they still have the stuffed bear or whatever it is in the tiny little lobby?

 

[Spanky]

Allow me to understand you. Did you say Wake Forest is a garbage school?

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Blue, I must ask you to stop. Your posts are doing serious damage to the belief held by a few very vocal fans that this could never work because we're Montana. Never mind that your posts are 100% accurate. Facts have never swayed this group, and at some point it's just like you're trying to rub their nose in it.....

These people that say UM COULDN'T do it drive me nuts. Of course UM COULD if the right people were in place and they WANTED too!

In 2007 and 2008 USU was a laughingstock and would have been creamed by at least half of the Big Sky and now one of the better MWC teams. Back then some people said we could NEVER be good, and should drop to FCS or drop football altogether. These are the same people that say UM COULD never be any good as an MWC level team. If they were at Kitty Hawk with the Wright brothers they would have said "you will NEVER fly, so we even TRY!"

Utah State has to play 2 "money" road games each season, and hasn't had more than six home games since moving up to FBS. Hell, in 2009,. they had only 5 home games. The same would happen with the Griz. A FCS game at home, and then two money games on the road against "big-time" programs. I highly doubt UM fans are willing to give up up to two home games a year in order to be a .500 team in the WAC, let alone the MWC.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Allow me to understand you. Did you say Wake Forest is a garbage school?

Readers are leaders.

Other than the five wealthy private schools (Notre Dame/BC/Duke/Vandy/Wake Forest), and the military acadamies, the rest of those programs are garbage

Also, I said garbage programs, not garbage schools, and I don't have a problem with that statement. Do you? Is the goal to become Arkansas State, minus the recruiting base?

 

[EverettGriz]

We only get 6 home games a year now. And each year one of them is a DII, and every other year we play a DII in both our first an last regular season games....

I'd rather play 6 home games against the teams in the MWC than 6 home games against noco, psu, nau, nodak (in a noncon game no doubt) and weber and Minot State.