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A buddy says there is a house going up Pattee canyon, across from Whittaker, that is being renovated. Significant renovations being done, and not complete on outside or inside. Looks like a new garage may have been built, with the top level of the garage incomplete. There's a large opening above the garage and a makeshift ladder to the opening. This is only steps from the sidewalk. At night, lights in house were probably off. Was it raining at that time? There's a large Griz paw on side of house on the outside temporary wall covering.
 
tnt said:
statler & waldorf said:
Does the Missoula PD/Prosecutor'sOffice routinely overcharge, or just use that on UM athletes? Seems I recall UM athletes raked over the coals, Missoulian drumming the cases, only to have the charges dismissed or greatly reduced. Seems very skewed to me. Bail of $50,000 totally unwarranted. Christ, Kaarma walked for $30,000.
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The problem is they got busted on a Saturday night no judge, no prosecutor, no charges (yet) had they waited until the charges are filed (this afternoon most likely) and the judge sets bail, it would have been for a lot less than 50K (most likely) The cops have no discretion in the charging. Until after the initial appearance this afternoon there is nothing to talk about. Someone is out 5000 for each kid. Money better spent on a lawyer or second semester tuition...............

As difficult as it might have been, they would have been better off sitting until this afternoon.
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Thanks for your response. I would have thought a Notice to Appear for Trespassing would have been appropriate, at least based on what is known to this point. I HAVE spent a weekend in jail(DUI), can't recommend the experience, You do meet some interesting people, though.
 
Washgrizfan1 said:
A buddy says there is a house going up Pattee canyon, across from Whittaker, that is being renovated. Significant renovations being done, and not complete on outside or inside. Looks like a new garage may have been built, with the top level of the garage incomplete. There's a large opening above the garage and a makeshift ladder to the opening. This is only steps from the sidewalk. At night, lights in house were probably off. Was it raining at that time? There's a large Griz paw on side of house on the outside temporary wall covering.
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That must make the whole thing OK....
 
statler & waldorf said:
tnt said:
statler & waldorf said:
Does the Missoula PD/Prosecutor'sOffice routinely overcharge, or just use that on UM athletes? Seems I recall UM athletes raked over the coals, Missoulian drumming the cases, only to have the charges dismissed or greatly reduced. Seems very skewed to me. Bail of $50,000 totally unwarranted. Christ, Kaarma walked for $30,000.
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The problem is they got busted on a Saturday night no judge, no prosecutor, no charges (yet) had they waited until the charges are filed (this afternoon most likely) and the judge sets bail, it would have been for a lot less than 50K (most likely) The cops have no discretion in the charging. Until after the initial appearance this afternoon there is nothing to talk about. Someone is out 5000 for each kid. Money better spent on a lawyer or second semester tuition...............

As difficult as it might have been, they would have been better off sitting until this afternoon.
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Thanks for your response. I would have thought a Notice to Appear for Trespassing would have been appropriate, at least based on what is known to this point. I HAVE spent a weekend in jail(DUI), can't recommend the experience, You do meet some interesting people, though.
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I would venture to guess that the burglary charge stemmed from the homeowner over-hearing them talk about stealing something
 
SACCAT66 said:
CDAGRIZ said:
Hmmm:

http://missoulian.com/news/local/pa...cle_310142a2-595a-5d64-aab8-ebe3bca57592.html
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So...Can they play until charges are brought? If no charges are filed, and they are not in jail, can't they play?
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You have to read more than the headlines. They are NOT out of the woods yet. They are still on bond:
"The initial investigation did not provide sufficient information for my office to determine if felony charges are appropriate," Pabst said in a statement released late Monday morning.

"All five had been scheduled to make initial appearances in Justice Court this afternoon, however, I have asked the court to postpone those appearances to allow time for further investigation. All five individuals have been released from custody on bond," she said.

"The Missoula City Police Department has given this case to their detective division for further investigation," Pabst continued. "We are meeting with the detectives this morning to request specific additional information. Once the investigation is sufficiently complete, our office will make individual charging decisions for each of the suspects."





This could go either way. I'm guessing there will be a deal made
 
grizindabox said:
Washgrizfan1 said:
A buddy says there is a house going up Pattee canyon, across from Whittaker, that is being renovated. Significant renovations being done, and not complete on outside or inside. Looks like a new garage may have been built, with the top level of the garage incomplete. There's a large opening above the garage and a makeshift ladder to the opening. This is only steps from the sidewalk. At night, lights in house were probably off. Was it raining at that time? There's a large Griz paw on side of house on the outside temporary wall covering.
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That must make the whole thing OK....
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Reminds me of the Line "I have nipples Greg....Can you milk me?"
 
CDAGRIZ said:
ilovethecats said:
what if i offered the possibility that these guys picked that spot they thought was vacant and the girl they wanted to meet them for a gang bang or a raping?!
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WTF?
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nice. take my post and all was said and quote this one line only. i also went on to say immediately after:
sure this is extreme but hey...it's a possibility. and in my opinion it would be irresponsible of me to throw that out there for no other reason then to stir the pot.
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it was an example of how just throwing out "possibilities", both good and bad is irresponsible if we don't know the facts. but you're a smart guy and likely read my entire post and already knew that. but what fun would that be...? :o
 
Either way, ILTC, your post was considerably inappropriate and not consistent with your usual rational self.
 
grizindabox said:
ilovethecats said:
what if i offered the possibility that these guys picked that spot they thought was vacant and the girl they wanted to meet them for a gang bang or a raping?!
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This statement pretty much validates my thoughts on ILTC and his mental capacity...
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oh i'd love to here this one. i'm about as low key and even keel as it gets. can't wait for you to elaborate why you have such strong opinions on my "mental capacity"... :lol:
 
grizindabox said:
Washgrizfan1 said:
A buddy says there is a house going up Pattee canyon, across from Whittaker, that is being renovated. Significant renovations being done, and not complete on outside or inside. Looks like a new garage may have been built, with the top level of the garage incomplete. There's a large opening above the garage and a makeshift ladder to the opening. This is only steps from the sidewalk. At night, lights in house were probably off. Was it raining at that time? There's a large Griz paw on side of house on the outside temporary wall covering.
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That must make the whole thing OK....
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When I was young, a sign with a big palm (hand) print in the window meant "safe house" for children. Makes sense a big Griz paw print on the side of a building would mean "safe house" for Griz players.
 
EverettGriz said:
Either way, ILTC, your post was considerably inappropriate and not consistent with your usual rational self.
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but it was EG and that's the point. i guess in light of rape accusations that might have been a poor example. however, the point remains. i have no idea what those guys were doing that night and either do any of you. so had i had a reputation of being a troll and coming over here spouting crap like that i could see the outrage. but it was an example of a "possibility" and completely proves my point.

others, presumably without knowing the facts are already suggesting it was just kids wandering around. waiting for a ride. not intent on doing anything wrong. never meant any harm, etc. they are throwing out possibilities without knowing any of the facts. this is exactly what i was talking about. people throw out "possibilities" in favor of the players and there is no problem. people throw out "possibilities" against the players and this is what happens...

like i said, like my example or not, it proves my point. i'll put my so-called internet reputation for the last ten years up against anyones. if you guys want to act outraged by my example and refuse to see that my point is correct that is fine. but i maintain that people on both sides, those that only see that bad and those that refuse to see the bad are dangerous for our universities.

my apologies if my example offended anyone. however, i intentionally chose an extreme example to outline my point. you can think i'm wrong and that's fine. but i can assure you i read more distasteful things like that on this board daily. and not in the context that i did which was simply illustrating a point that unless you were there...we have no idea what these kids' intentions were until the facts come out.
 
ilovethecats said:
grizindabox said:
ilovethecats said:
what if i offered the possibility that these guys picked that spot they thought was vacant and the girl they wanted to meet them for a gang bang or a raping?!
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This statement pretty much validates my thoughts on ILTC and his mental capacity...
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oh i'd love to here this one. i'm about as low key and even keel as it gets. can't wait for you to elaborate why you have such strong opinions on my "mental capacity"... :lol:
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Given the gravity of the situation and the JJ trial, the name association, the totally unacceptable song containing the no means no reference, it would seem your comparison to the activities shows a total disregard. In other words your hypothetical was offending and deserved criticism.
 
signedbewildered said:
Pabst said hearing delayed upon further investigation of what charges are warranted. Did someone already say this? I didn't catch up on entire thread.
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At this point, I definitely think the University has the right procedures in place. Suspension from team activities until all the facts are gathered is fair. Granted, I do expect people in their late teens and beyond to make wiser decisions than these 3 did. With all this program, school, and community been through for awhile now, like it or not, there has to be a tighter leash and more rules. I have no idea what the team rules are, but would think there has to be some sort of in season curfew in place. If not, as of now, Stitt needs to institute one.

I will reconsider my original thought of them being kicked off the team, if this turns out to be a cop going entirely too far in the charges. With that said though, it makes no sense to me, why would they go to the extremes of climbing a ladder to get into private property? If a place is locked and requires climbing a ladder to gain access, I feel that alone is a sign to not enter/trespass. Honestly, what were the 3 collectively thinking when they realized the place was locked and a ladder was needed? How in the hell do any of the 3 explain going to the extreme they did to gain access to the place? Honestly to God, what were they doing out at this time? If they wanted to have college fun, why not do it in the privacy of either of their places or a friend's place off campus? That is what we did when I was that age. Not one time did myself or anyone I hung out with ever say, "Damn, we have nowhere to go to have fun, so let's find a place, and access it, even if it means climbing a ladder to do it." This is the part that makes absolutely no sense in all this. They had to "knowingly" done this going to the extreme they did.

For their sake, they are damn lucky the property owners are pretty damn cool and laid back, and likely not pressing charges. They are also lucky to not have been shot. What are the odds of a Montanan not having a gun near by in this situation?

I'd love to be a fly on the wall wherever Stitt met with these guys just to hear the questions Stitt had to ask these 3 and how he asked them? Seriously, how could you not imply their actions were idiotic, stupid, and they are dumb asses for it? Why did you go to the extremes you did? ETC. Coach Stitt had to be absolutely pissed when he heard of this happening.

IT will be interesting to see what the whole story turns out to be. Fortunately for these 3, they have a property owner who will not make the lives of these 3 more hell. I do agree, the 3 players owe this family a face to face apology and owe this property owner for life. They should be very thankful and gracious to this owner.
 
ilovethecats said:
grizindabox said:
ilovethecats said:
what if i offered the possibility that these guys picked that spot they thought was vacant and the girl they wanted to meet them for a gang bang or a raping?!
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This statement pretty much validates my thoughts on ILTC and his mental capacity...
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:cry:
oh i'd love to here this one. i'm about as low key and even keel as it gets. can't wait for you to elaborate why you have such strong opinions on my "mental capacity"... :lol:
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Please tell me why this P.O.S. is over here posting on our board? Does he f.....g think anyone cares what he would do? :puke: How pathetic can one be? Shower up, and go out and be someone!
 
ilovethecats said:
EverettGriz said:
Either way, ILTC, your post was considerably inappropriate and not consistent with your usual rational self.
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but it was EG and that's the point. i guess in light of rape accusations that might have been a poor example. however, the point remains. i have no idea what those guys were doing that night and either do any of you. so had i had a reputation of being a troll and coming over here spouting crap like that i could see the outrage. but it was an example of a "possibility" and completely proves my point.

others, presumably without knowing the facts are already suggesting it was just kids wandering around. waiting for a ride. not intent on doing anything wrong. never meant any harm, etc. they are throwing out possibilities without knowing any of the facts. this is exactly what i was talking about. people throw out "possibilities" in favor of the players and there is no problem. people throw out "possibilities" against the players and this is what happens...

like i said, like my example or not, it proves my point. i'll put my so-called internet reputation for the last ten years up against anyones. if you guys want to act outraged by my example and refuse to see that my point is correct that is fine. but i maintain that people on both sides, those that only see that bad and those that refuse to see the bad are dangerous for our universities.

my apologies if my example offended anyone. however, i intentionally chose an extreme example to outline my point. you can think i'm wrong and that's fine. but i can assure you i read more distasteful things like that on this board daily. and not in the context that i did which was simply illustrating a point that unless you were there...we have no idea what these kids' intentions were until the facts come out.
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I understood, and even generally agree with, the point you were attempting to make. As Nzone perfectly stated however, the use of your example -- meant to be extreme or not -- was in extremely poor taste.
 
mtgrizrule said:
signedbewildered said:
Pabst said hearing delayed upon further investigation of what charges are warranted. Did someone already say this? I didn't catch up on entire thread.
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At this point, I definitely think the University has the right procedures in place. Suspension from team activities until all the facts are gathered is fair. Granted, I do expect people in their late teens and beyond to make wiser decisions than these 3 did. With all this program, school, and community been through for awhile now, like it or not, there has to be a tighter leash and more rules. I have no idea what the team rules are, but would think there has to be some sort of in season curfew in place. If not, as of now, Stitt needs to institute one.

I will reconsider my original thought of them being kicked off the team, if this turns out to be a cop going entirely too far in the charges. With that said though, it makes no sense to me, why would they go to the extremes of climbing a ladder to get into private property? If a place is locked and requires climbing a ladder to gain access, I feel that alone is a sign to not enter/trespass. Honestly, what were the 3 collectively thinking when they realized the place was locked and a ladder was needed? How in the hell do any of the 3 explain going to the extreme they did to gain access to the place? Honestly to God, what were they doing out at this time? If they wanted to have college fun, why not do it in the privacy of either of their places or a friend's place off campus? That is what we did when I was that age. Not one time did myself or anyone I hung out with ever say, "Damn, we have nowhere to go to have fun, so let's find a place, and access it, even if it means climbing a ladder to do it." This is the part that makes absolutely no sense in all this. They had to "knowingly" done this going to the extreme they did.

For their sake, they are damn lucky the property owners are pretty damn cool and laid back, and likely not pressing charges. They are also lucky to not have been shot. What are the odds of a Montanan not having a gun near by in this situation?

I'd love to be a fly on the wall wherever Stitt met with these guys just to hear the questions Stitt had to ask these 3 and how he asked them? Seriously, how could you not imply their actions were idiotic, stupid, and they are dumb asses for it? Why did you go to the extremes you did? ETC. Coach Stitt had to be absolutely pissed when he heard of this happening.

IT will be interesting to see what the whole story turns out to be. Fortunately for these 3, they have a property owner who will not make the lives of these 3 more hell. I do agree, the 3 players owe this family a face to face apology and owe this property owner for life. They should be very thankful and gracious to this owner.
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Seems to me the officer did what he should have at the time based on what he knew. People illegally in someone's residence and the statement from the homeowner that he overheard them discuss stealing something....burglary charges don't seem unreasonable.
 
EverettGriz said:
Either way, ILTC, your post was considerably inappropriate and not consistent with your usual rational self.
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No. Iltc was giving an example, not giving his opinion. He may have been exaggerating to make his point, but it wasn't inappropriate.
 
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