3-3-5 Discussion

[bigsky33]

Why don't you just admit that you lied about being at this game? You said it was sunny while tailgating. But it was cloudy all day long, with scattered showers throughout the valley. Nobody attending this game would post on a college athletic site while at the game. You just make yourself look more foolish all of the time.

It was sunny at the tailgate at the stadium. Want to bet me $1,000? Almost everyone posts on phones at games, except old guys like you. Let me know on the bet. Growler, you have really lost it.

You were correct on the weather for sure!

 

[AZDoc]

They gave up over 500 yards of offense. Funny as hell you think that's a great performance.

Funny how you can focus on what I said. 3-3-5 was tough in run D. And beat mighty Michigan. Huge win. People who say 3-3-5 can stop a. Running team were proven wrong tonight.

Our course, you wouldn’t know because you never played the game. Just a big mouth.

The key against the run was generally excellent tackling. That’s where the Griz struggled against the run…it seems like they missed a ton of tackles in the games they lost…ones they generally made.

 

[indian-outlaw]

It's funny that before this game you talk about how TT can't possibly beat Michigan because the 3-3-5 can't hold up against their run game. Now that narrative has changed the goal posts move to not many good teams use it.

You must have me confused with someone else. I said no such thing about TCU.

I stand corrected AZ, sorry big fella. I've been doing that alot lately, I need to learn to STFU.

 

[kemajic]

Funny how you can focus on what I said. 3-3-5 was tough in run D. And beat mighty Michigan. Huge win. People who say 3-3-5 can stop a. Running team were proven wrong tonight.

Our course, you wouldn’t know because you never played the game. Just a big mouth.

The key against the run was generally excellent tackling. That’s where the Griz struggled against the run…it seems like they missed a ton of tackles in the games they lost…ones they generally made.

The Griz blitz too much from the 3-3-5 and leave themselves sometimes out of position. TCU rushed 3 most of the night and blitzed very little. They were generally in excellent tackling position.

 

[SaskGriz]

The key against the run was generally excellent tackling. That’s where the Griz struggled against the run…it seems like they missed a ton of tackles in the games they lost…ones they generally made.

The Griz blitz too much from the 3-3-5 and leave themselves sometimes out of position. TCU rushed 3 most of the night and blitzed very little. They were generally in excellent tackling position.

So formation and execution are both needed for a good D?

 

[Bok_Choi]

The Griz blitz too much from the 3-3-5 and leave themselves sometimes out of position. TCU rushed 3 most of the night and blitzed very little. They were generally in excellent tackling position.

So formation and execution are both needed for a good D?

Didn’t get to see all that much of the game, but it appeared to me that TCU’s D was lightening fast, and tackled well. They got a push/pressure from the D-line and probably showed more accurately, what the strategy was intended to look like. Two pick-six’s had to help, because they didn’t keep Michigan from moving the ball or scoring, they did both.

For me the difference was TCU’s offense showed up enough to keep the defense off the field when they needed to. TOP was within five minutes. TCU & UM have a baller QB’s and O-Lines who can play. Another fun fact is Duggan - the three year starter, lost the spot to start the season and came in when the starter was hurt. He then went on a tear and was a Heisman finalist. What a luxury to have two QB’s who can play on your roster.

Offense that gets things done matters when you’re talking about playing good defense.

 

[sdk.catfish]

I think Bok Choi is getting at the root of the issue. The game today favors the offense. All 4 teams yesterday scored 40+ whether the defense was playing 3-3-5 or something else. Cats put up 50+ on us and Bison 49. Point being that championship offenses score, and score rather profusely on any defense, even good defenses. So if the offense scores less than say 30 against good teams you are probably going to lose. Take a look at our offense when playing good teams and I think you will find the problem that is causing so much unrest.

 

[Bok_Choi]

I think Bok Choi is getting at the root of the issue. The game today favors the offense. All 4 teams yesterday scored 40+ whether the defense was playing 3-3-5 or something else. Cats put up 50+ on us and Bison 49. Point being that championship offenses score, and score rather profusely on any defense, even good defenses. So if the offense scores less than say 30 against good teams you are probably going to lose. Take a look at our offense when playing good teams and I think you will find the problem that is causing so much unrest.

I've had a chance to watch more of it this morning, and without reservation, would say that along with a functioning offense, the D-Line appears to be the key to success in the 3-3-5. If they can get pressure without sending six guys as often or not, you've got a chance of succeeding because there are more hats where they are needed, around the ball. K-State played hard, but couldn't hang with Alabama's O-Line, nor could their offense produce enough to keep them in it. TCU's more than held it's own against Michigan, and had some offense, as noted, throughout the game.

Montana's defense was on the field more than they should have been through most of the season's important games and that extra wear and tear are cumulative. And don't forget, there's more than a little bit of a mental lift for the defenders when the O contributes points to the effort.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You must have me confused with someone else. I said no such thing about TCU.

I stand corrected AZ, sorry big fella. I've been doing that alot lately, I need to learn to STFU.

Well one could argue that the 3-3-5 did not, in fact, hold up against their run game. They really only won that game because of 2 pick-sixes. Gave up over 500 yards of offense.

 

[Bok_Choi]

I stand corrected AZ, sorry big fella. I've been doing that alot lately, I need to learn to STFU.

Well one could argue that the 3-3-5 did not, in fact, hold up against their run game. They really only won that game because of 2 pick-sixes. Gave up over 500 yards of offense.

They also managed nearly 500 of their own, which was critical. The defense wasn't on the field for forty frickin minutes, so they had something left in the tank when it was needed at critical times during the game.

No big time P5 defense yesterday was all that and bag of chips. TCU's contributed points, but that isn't the norm in that no one plans to put up points on defense. The goal is to negate them We've moved beyond the stage in footballs evolution where defense wins championships. If you can't move the football and score points, no amount of great defense is going to do it for you. We saw that all too often this season.

 

[kemajic]

I stand corrected AZ, sorry big fella. I've been doing that alot lately, I need to learn to STFU.

Well one could argue that the 3-3-5 did not, in fact, hold up against their run game. They really only won that game because of 2 pick-sixes. Gave up over 500 yards of offense.

I guess in your mind the two pick sixes had nothing to do with the defense. Just like Ford's 9 picks last year had nothing to do with the defense. The team running the 3-3-5 defense is playing for the NC.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well one could argue that the 3-3-5 did not, in fact, hold up against their run game. They really only won that game because of 2 pick-sixes. Gave up over 500 yards of offense.

I guess in your mind the two pick sixes had nothing to do with the defense. Just like Ford's 9 picks last year had nothing to do with the defense. The team running the 3-3-5 defense is playing for the NC.

You would guess wrong.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well one could argue that the 3-3-5 did not, in fact, hold up against their run game. They really only won that game because of 2 pick-sixes. Gave up over 500 yards of offense.

They also managed nearly 500 of their own, which was critical. The defense wasn't on the field for forty frickin minutes, so they had something left in the tank when it was needed at critical times during the game.

No big time P5 defense yesterday was all that and bag of chips. TCU's contributed points, but that isn't the norm in that no one plans to put up points on defense. The goal is to negate them We've moved beyond the stage in footballs evolution where defense wins championships. If you can't move the football and score points, no amount of great defense is going to do it for you. We saw that all too often this season.

Exactly.

 

[kemajic]

I guess in your mind the two pick sixes had nothing to do with the defense. Just like Ford's 9 picks last year had nothing to do with the defense. The team running the 3-3-5 defense is playing for the NC.

You would guess wrong.

Small steps, but progress.

 

[poorgriz]

Pffff, dummies that get the vast majority of FCS game predictions right, whereas you're batting like, 10 percent? I thought you'd be way better at your predictions, having played the game and all.

BTW, did you ever talk to your boy Bobby about why he went out and tried to recruit the dirty player that knocked your star QB out of the game with an intentional, dirty hit? That one was really surprising to me. I guess it's no wonder Bobby's locker room is so fuhgged up.

I rarely predict games. I mostly pick against the Cats. Partly to tease Cat posters. I got the So Dak St game right. I don’t care who Bobby recruits. The Griz locker room is good.

You don't care who Bobby recruits? That is incredibly strange. I really, really care who the Bobcat coaches recruit. For example, I care that they recruit really good players at all positions, so that we have good quality backups at all positions, especially QB. :thumb:

 

[mthoopsfan]

I rarely predict games. I mostly pick against the Cats. Partly to tease Cat posters. I got the So Dak St game right. I don’t care who Bobby recruits. The Griz locker room is good.

You don't care who Bobby recruits? That is incredibly strange. I really, really care who the Bobcat coaches recruit. For example, I care that they recruit really good players at all positions, so that we have good quality backups at all positions, especially QB. :thumb:

Nope, I don't care who Bobby recruits. They are in that business. I'm not. As for your last sentence, I have full confidence that that's what Bobby and his coaches do. You are clearly a never-played-the-gamer.

 

[poorgriz]

You don't care who Bobby recruits? That is incredibly strange. I really, really care who the Bobcat coaches recruit. For example, I care that they recruit really good players at all positions, so that we have good quality backups at all positions, especially QB. :thumb:

Nope, I don't care who Bobby recruits. They are in that business. I'm not. As for your last sentence, I have full confidence that that's what Bobby and his coaches do. You are clearly a never-played-the-gamer.

False. I played High School football, not college. Just like Bobby. :thumb:

 

[mthoopsfan]

Nope, I don't care who Bobby recruits. They are in that business. I'm not. As for your last sentence, I have full confidence that that's what Bobby and his coaches do. You are clearly a never-played-the-gamer.

False. I played High School football, not college. Just like Bobby. :thumb:

But Bobby knows football and coaches it, and you don't. Your posts show your lack of knowledge.

 

[uptopgriz]

They're changing the defense next year. Bobby witnessed firsthand in Bozeman and Fargo that they can't run this defense and beat run heavy teams.

 

[Griz Addict]

They're changing the defense next year. Bobby witnessed firsthand in Bozeman and Fargo that they can't run this defense and beat run heavy teams.

Lmao. Well if it's true that our DC is retiring, wouldn't the defense change, regardless? Way to predict that one bud!