2023-24 Expectations

[CDAGRIZ]

Counterpoint: I look at it differently. I truly believe there are many more great HS FB players than there were 25+ years ago. The youth coaching has improved and the focus on FB only has increased in that timeframe. Camps, 7on7 tournaments, summer workouts, etc. The larger/better talent pool has allowed for more good programs to emerge in both FBS and FCS. I'm not saying the best aren't still the best; I'm saying the worst are better relative to the best than they were. Perhaps this is why the playoffs were expanded in the FCS and created in the FBS. Maybe this is what allowed the former DI-AA/FCS schools to move up recently and not be an Idaho.

Put another way, the relative "talent" that would have filled out DI (now FBS) rosters in 1995 might now have to play FCS or lower. There are just more good players now, and thus, more good teams. A Trey Lance type guy probably wouldn't have landed at an FCS program in 1995.

Last point: In the 1995 playoffs, we beat playoff teams 48-0, 45-0, and then 70-14 on our way to the final. We don't see that as much today because, I believe, the competition wasn't what it is now.

That was the most dominant team in Griz history...which also might have something to do with it.

Skill improvement is not unique to the FCS either. There are a bunch of good teams no longer in the league that gave the Griz fits over the years.

I guess that's my point. There are a bunch of good teams still in the FCS that give the Griz fits and weren't even on our radar back then. For every one that leaves for the top level, there seems to be one that emerges at our level because they get guys that would've probably been on FBS rosters way back when. In my opinion, that's just because there are more of them.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I'm not wrong. The FCS was stronger with Marshall, Appy, SHSU, Georgia Southern, JMU.

These departures coupled with expanded playoffs = weaker league.

Facts. Swallow them whole Playa.

Just spitballin' here, but if they would have expanded the playoffs when Marshall, Appy, SHSU, etc were still FCS, would it not make the playoffs weaker then also?

 

[SoldierGriz]

I'm not wrong. The FCS was stronger with Marshall, Appy, SHSU, Georgia Southern, JMU.

These departures coupled with expanded playoffs = weaker league.

Facts. Swallow them whole Playa.

Just spitballin' here, but if they would have expanded the playoffs when Marshall, Appy, SHSU, etc were still FCS, would it not make the playoffs weaker then also?

They didn't do so. That's your answer.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Just spitballin' here, but if they would have expanded the playoffs when Marshall, Appy, SHSU, etc were still FCS, would it not make the playoffs weaker then also?

They didn't do so. That's your answer.

Just like soldier to miss the point.

 

[SoldierGriz]

They didn't do so. That's your answer.

Just like soldier to miss the point.

Just like handbasket to not have a point. Please get your shit together.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Just like soldier to miss the point.

Just like handbasket to not have a point. Please get your poop together.

There is a point, you are just too dense.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Just like handbasket to not have a point. Please get your poop together.

There is a point, you are just too dense.

You have no point, you never have a point...you make zero quality football posts here. Go back to sleep.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

How many people know that the Griz were in the top 10 in total wins in the last decade, ending in 2010? For FCS teams. Some egriz posters seem to think the Griz were in the bottom 10 during that decade.

Agree. However, how did they stackup in the following decade ( 2011 - 2021)? The Griz have the potential to be a top 10 FCS team every year. I cheer for that potential every year.

Not sure if any one answered you so here it is. These are win totals from the 2010’s. We finished 12th and were one win away from tying for 8th.

1. North Dakota State 137
2. Sam Houston State 99
3. Eastern Washington 97
4. James Madison 96
5. Jacksonville State 91
6. San Diego 86
7. South Dakota State 83
8. Bethune-Cookman 80
– Central Arkansas 80
– New Hampshire 80
– Wofford 80
12. Montana 79

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

There is a point, you are just too dense.

You have no point, you never have a point...you make zero quality football posts here. Go back to sleep.

You stated that an expanded playoff has made FCS weaker, and that is false, it has zero effect on the strength or weakness of FCS. If you want to argue that it has watered down being a playoff team, fine, but that is a completely different argument.

I have thought about it some, and I think your hypothesis that FCS is weaker now because schools have left is wrong. I would argue that the BSC conference is much more stronger now than it has ever been, and since UM went on there championship run. I could argue that the MVC over the past 5 years has been the strongest Conference in FCS history. I think FCS is just as strong or stronger than it has ever been on the field, just look at how many FBS wins there have been over the last 3+ years.

I know you will just call this hogwash because it doesn't fit you narrative, but I think your narrative is hogwash. Continue with you pointless opinionated drivel. And if you think I post zero quality football posts, well it would just be the kettle calling the pot black I guess.

 

[SoldierGriz]

You have no point, you never have a point...you make zero quality football posts here. Go back to sleep.

You stated that an expanded playoff has made FCS weaker, and that is false, it has zero effect on the strength or weakness of FCS. If you want to argue that it has watered down being a playoff team, fine, but that is a completely different argument.

I have thought about it some, and I think your hypothesis that FCS is weaker now because schools have left is wrong. I would argue that the BSC conference is much more stronger now than it has ever been, and since UM went on there championship run. I could argue that the MVC over the past 5 years has been the strongest Conference in FCS history. I think FCS is just as strong or stronger than it has ever been on the field, just look at how many FBS wins there have been over the last 3+ years.

I know you will just call this hogwash because it doesn't fit you narrative, but I think your narrative is hogwash. Continue with you pointless opinionated drivel. And if you think I post zero quality football posts, well it would just be the kettle calling the pot black I guess.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Question: If App State, JMU, UMass, ODU, Liberty, GaSo, SHSU, and several others came BACK to FCS, would the FCS be stronger?

 

[uptopgriz]

Question: If App State, JMU, UMass, ODU, Liberty, GaSo, SHSU, and several others came BACK to FCS, would the FCS be stronger?

Think how tough the FCS would be if the Griz program came back.

 

[uptopgriz]

Question: If App State, JMU, UMass, ODU, Liberty, GaSo, SHSU, and several others came BACK to FCS, would the FCS be stronger?

Think how tough the FCS would be if the Griz program came back.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Question: If App State, JMU, UMass, ODU, Liberty, GaSo, SHSU, and several others came BACK to FCS, would the FCS be stronger?

Hmm, would the FCS be stronger if it clawed back a bunch of FBS programs that made the leap some to many years ago? Yeah, I think it would. They aren't the same programs that they were when they played FCS FB. They are better. They get better players.

Some people (not saying you) appear to view FB programs as these static entities. Never changing. Which is strange given what has happened in the State of Montana of late. MSU sucked donkey balls when App State moved up. And now? I mean MSU still sucks donkey balls, but I trust you know what I mean.

 

[uofmman1122]

Question: If App State, JMU, UMass, ODU, Liberty, GaSo, SHSU, and several others came BACK to FCS, would the FCS be stronger?

Hmm, would the FCS be stronger if it clawed back a bunch of FBS programs that made the leap some to many years ago? Yeah, I think it would. They aren't the same programs that they were when they played FCS FB. They are better. They get better players.

Some people (not saying you) appear to view FB programs as these static entities. Never changing. Which is strange given what has happened in the State of Montana of late. MSU sucked donkey balls when App State moved up. And now? I mean MSU still sucks donkey balls, but I trust you know what I mean.

It's like how in these discussions no one ever mentions UCONN or UMASS, the latter of whom was really good in the CAA in the 90's through the end of the 2000's.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Question: If App State, JMU, UMass, ODU, Liberty, GaSo, SHSU, and several others came BACK to FCS, would the FCS be stronger?

Hmm, would the FCS be stronger if it clawed back a bunch of FBS programs that made the leap some to many years ago? Yeah, I think it would. They aren't the same programs that they were when they played FCS FB. They are better. They get better players.

Some people (not saying you) appear to view FB programs as these static entities. Never changing. Which is strange given what has happened in the State of Montana of late. MSU sucked donkey balls when App State moved up. And now? I mean MSU still sucks donkey balls, but I trust you know what I mean.

OK, let me rephrase: Hypothetically speaking, and for discussion purposes only, would FCS be "stronger" if those programs had never left?

 

[3-7-77]

My expectations are always high. I thought NC last year, then, Idaho. Bobby said he just didn't have the team ready. Why? Just like Idaho, he and his staff had two weeks to prepare. Idaho prepared, Griz found themselves on the precipice of an exhilarating 'water slide' like descent. His foot slipped off the pedal of his boys bicycle, and, well, for you GUYS that have had that happen to you, UGHHHHH!!! Keep your eyes on the prize, Bobby.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Question: If App State, JMU, UMass, ODU, Liberty, GaSo, SHSU, and several others came BACK to FCS, would the FCS be stronger?

Yes. It would be a better league immediately.

If they were back last year and under old playoff format - Griz don't make the playoffs. Also probably true with new format.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Hmm, would the FCS be stronger if it clawed back a bunch of FBS programs that made the leap some to many years ago? Yeah, I think it would. They aren't the same programs that they were when they played FCS FB. They are better. They get better players.

Some people (not saying you) appear to view FB programs as these static entities. Never changing. Which is strange given what has happened in the State of Montana of late. MSU sucked donkey balls when App State moved up. And now? I mean MSU still sucks donkey balls, but I trust you know what I mean.

It's like how in these discussions no one ever mentions UCONN or UMASS, the latter of whom was really good in the CAA in the 90's through the end of the 2000's.

Yes...early on I said "among others."

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Hmm, would the FCS be stronger if it clawed back a bunch of FBS programs that made the leap some to many years ago? Yeah, I think it would. They aren't the same programs that they were when they played FCS FB. They are better. They get better players.

Some people (not saying you) appear to view FB programs as these static entities. Never changing. Which is strange given what has happened in the State of Montana of late. MSU sucked donkey balls when App State moved up. And now? I mean MSU still sucks donkey balls, but I trust you know what I mean.

OK, let me rephrase: Hypothetically speaking, and for discussion purposes only, would FCS be "stronger" if those programs had never left?

Tough to say. How strong those programs were when they were FCS isn't indicative of how strong they would be today with the bigger/better talent pool allowing other programs to emerge. There are a fair amount of FCS programs that could have been considered powerhouses 20 years ago and are not today.