2014 coaching staff: If an internal hire was made

[Grizbacker1]

BW, there is no proof that our current staff as a whole is capable of making a legitimate championship contender. I base this solely on their teams' performance. More specifically, the losses we have endured from legitimate playoff contenders. Unlike in past years, the losses we have experienced with this staff have been different in that we have lost so soundly. I think next year will be the first real year where they can be fairly judged of what their team is capable of without external distractions.

Because of this, I do not feel any of our current coordinators are capable of being head coaches. I need to see better performance from their players before even considering an internal hire at this time.

See... this I find funny.

The team gets hit with darn near a nuclear bomb when it's OC/DC leave and the head coach is fired and then starting QB goes on trial and is suspended for the season. The team goes 5-6. It's not good.

Then the next year everything is expected to be magically fixed? The team doubled its wins and halved its losses, 10-3. That's a good accomplishment.

It is great? No, the Griz were 0-3 against playoff contending teams.

It the world over and should this season be chalked up to a total waste? Hardly. A 10-2 regular season is a great accomplishment considering what this team has been hit with.

Also, "Lost so soundly" other than the NAU game the Griz lost by 1 score to EWU and Coastal. Yes both required comeback attempts but the offense showed up and the defense made adjustments and shut down the teams.

Looking at those three losses give some credit to the defense for late adjustments:

Coastal: 177 yards (of 476 total), 7 points, 1 turnover in the 2nd half
EWU: 202 yards (of 540 total), 14 points, 2 turnovers in the 2nd half
NAU: 209 yards (of 416 total), 6 points, 1 turnover, 1 missed fieldgoal in the 2nd half

The defense, under the leadership of Gregorak made pretty good halftime adjustments in all three losses.

Part of this "adjustment" was the opposition sitting on the ball trying to run clock. That is hardly due to Ty Gregorak making such awesome coaching adjustments. There are coaches around the BSC that will tell you going up against the current staff is much easier than the last one. The record seems to indicate they could be right.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Who was the NFL commentator (I think during the Pittsburgh-Cincy game) who was talking about how overrated "halftime adjustments" are in football? I had to snicker at that one, because I tend to agree: if you have to make major adjustments it just means you really screwed up the first half.

 

[NLGrizFan]

Whoever hates the Cats the most...

HEL YES!!!! Damn, I miss Bobby.

 

[GrizPony]

Who was the NFL commentator (I think during the Pittsburgh-Cincy game) who was talking about how overrated "halftime adjustments" are in football? I had to snicker at that one, because I tend to agree: if you have to make major adjustments it just means you really screwed up the first half.

No it was Aikman and the Packers kind of made him eat those words.

 

[NLGrizFan]

This program needs a "firey" guy! Not clean shaving Santa Clause. Hes a little too jolly for my liking of a head coach of a football team.

 

[BWahlberg]

Part of this "adjustment" was the opposition sitting on the ball trying to run clock. That is hardly due to Ty Gregorak making such awesome coaching adjustments. There are coaches around the BSC that will tell you going up against the current staff is much easier than the last one. The record seems to indicate they could be right.

So... save the Sac State game I'm just not seeing that:

2nd half stats:

App St: 171 yards, 3 points, 2 turnovers
UND: 105 yards, 7 points
OPSU: 86 yards, 0 points, 2 turnovers
PSU: 186 yards, 7 points, 2 turnovers
UCD: 149 yards, 7 points
CPSLO: 131 yards, 0 points, 2 turnovers
Sac: 300 yards, 28 points, 1 turnover
USD: 200 yards, 3 points, 1 turnover
Weber: 4 yards, 0 points, 3 turnovers
MSU: 194 yards, 7 points, 1 turnover

So looking at the Grizzlies final stats their defense allowed on average 381 yards per game which is about 191 per half. Looking at that the defense did better in the 2nd half on 6 of the 10 games, were just about at the average in 3 of the 10, and just 1 of the 10 games they were pretty badly burned.

Additionally, scoring, the Grizzly defense allowed just about 23 points per game, which, if all things were even, means they should be allowing 11.5 points per half. However the team was allowing 7.6 points per half. And if you get more technical and remove a few scores opposing teams special teams or defenses scored on the Griz the Grizzly defense was allowing less than 1 TD per game in the 2nd half (6.2 points per game).

Call me crazy, but that seems pretty damn good.

 

[BWahlberg]

Who was the NFL commentator (I think during the Pittsburgh-Cincy game) who was talking about how overrated "halftime adjustments" are in football? I had to snicker at that one, because I tend to agree: if you have to make major adjustments it just means you really screwed up the first half.

No it was Aikman and the Packers kind of made him eat those words.

Boom.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

No it was Aikman and the Packers kind of made him eat those words.

Part of this "adjustment" was the opposition sitting on the ball trying to run clock.

And part of it was not sitting on the ball and letting Romo throw it to the Packers!

:lol:

 

[griz4life]

That said, Baldwin coming from Central Washington wasn't a bold outside hire for EWU.

It really can't even be considered as an outside hire. Baldwin was offensive coordinator at EWU for four seasons prior to taking the Central Washington job for one season. It's about as inbred as it gets.

Yes it is. Baldwin isn't the first EWU coach to have that Central connection. I think a lot of Montana fans would go berserk if UM had a similar connection to a smaller school in Montana. The Saints aren't a good example because Central doesn't have that weird cult following that the Saints do with some Griz/Cat fans.
Montana hasn't hired a coach out of the local NAIA schools since Mick Dennehy.

 

[clawman]

If you saw the list of applicants for the NDSU job it would be obvious why you open the position up to the nation before making a decision. There was a lot of talent on that list that bring something to the table rather than do what you've done for the last couple of years.

 

[cody45051]

BW, there is no proof that our current staff as a whole is capable of making a legitimate championship contender. I base this solely on their teams' performance. More specifically, the losses we have endured from legitimate playoff contenders. Unlike in past years, the losses we have experienced with this staff have been different in that we have lost so soundly. I think next year will be the first real year where they can be fairly judged of what their team is capable of without external distractions.

Because of this, I do not feel any of our current coordinators are capable of being head coaches. I need to see better performance from their players before even considering an internal hire at this time.

See... this I find funny.

The team gets hit with darn near a nuclear bomb when it's OC/DC leave and the head coach is fired and then starting QB goes on trial and is suspended for the season. The team goes 5-6. It's not good.

Then the next year everything is expected to be magically fixed? The team doubled its wins and halved its losses, 10-3. That's a good accomplishment.

It is great? No, the Griz were 0-3 against playoff contending teams.

It the world over and should this season be chalked up to a total waste? Hardly. A 10-2 regular season is a great accomplishment considering what this team has been hit with.

Also, "Lost so soundly" other than the NAU game the Griz lost by 1 score to EWU and Coastal. Yes both required comeback attempts but the offense showed up and the defense made adjustments and shut down the teams.

Looking at those three losses give some credit to the defense for late adjustments:

Coastal: 177 yards (of 476 total), 7 points, 1 turnover in the 2nd half
EWU: 202 yards (of 540 total), 14 points, 2 turnovers in the 2nd half
NAU: 209 yards (of 416 total), 6 points, 1 turnover, 1 missed fieldgoal in the 2nd half

The defense, under the leadership of Gregorak made pretty good halftime adjustments in all three losses.

I don't disagree, only that an internal hire is still not merited at this point. The coordinators, as coordinators, are still too inexperienced for head coaching a championship team in my opinion. From an objective point does Gregorak's two years as a D Coord, and years as a Linebacker's coach, qualify him better than any other candidate? Does his coordinating and his teams' production show me he can lead this team to a championship? At this point, his experience does not qualify him better than other candidates. Next season will show what this staff is capable of as that will be their first real season they can be fairly judged without any external pressures.

 

[George Ferguson]

Baldwin was hired from the EWU family. The Eags might have done a national search, or they may not have, at least the kind Griz' fans are suggesting, but Beau Baldwin was AS MUCH if not more an internal EWU hire than any Griz' head coach from Glenn to Delaney. Anyone who says otherwise has no clue what they're talking about. He was the OC/QB Coach and Recruiting Co. for a number of years at EWU before taking the Central Washington job, and he said this in his hiring presser: "In my heart, my hope was that I would one day get an opportunity to come back here and coach this program. This is home for me."

 

[Grizbacker1]

Part of this "adjustment" was the opposition sitting on the ball trying to run clock. That is hardly due to Ty Gregorak making such awesome coaching adjustments. There are coaches around the BSC that will tell you going up against the current staff is much easier than the last one. The record seems to indicate they could be right.

So... save the Sac State game I'm just not seeing that:

2nd half stats:

App St: 171 yards, 3 points, 2 turnovers
UND: 105 yards, 7 points
OPSU: 86 yards, 0 points, 2 turnovers
PSU: 186 yards, 7 points, 2 turnovers
UCD: 149 yards, 7 points
CPSLO: 131 yards, 0 points, 2 turnovers
Sac: 300 yards, 28 points, 1 turnover
USD: 200 yards, 3 points, 1 turnover
Weber: 4 yards, 0 points, 3 turnovers
MSU: 194 yards, 7 points, 1 turnover

So looking at the Grizzlies final stats their defense allowed on average 381 yards per game which is about 191 per half. Looking at that the defense did better in the 2nd half on 6 of the 10 games, were just about at the average in 3 of the 10, and just 1 of the 10 games they were pretty badly burned.

Additionally, scoring, the Grizzly defense allowed just about 23 points per game, which, if all things were even, means they should be allowing 11.5 points per half. However the team was allowing 7.6 points per half. And if you get more technical and remove a few scores opposing teams special teams or defenses scored on the Griz the Grizzly defense was allowing less than 1 TD per game in the 2nd half (6.2 points per game).

Call me crazy, but that seems pretty damn good.

If you want to hump Ty's leg thinking he is the man for the job, be my guest. I will just be thankful you are not making the decision. :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Part of this "adjustment" was the opposition sitting on the ball trying to run clock. That is hardly due to Ty Gregorak making such awesome coaching adjustments. There are coaches around the BSC that will tell you going up against the current staff is much easier than the last one. The record seems to indicate they could be right.

So... save the Sac State game I'm just not seeing that:

2nd half stats:

App St: 171 yards, 3 points, 2 turnovers
UND: 105 yards, 7 points
OPSU: 86 yards, 0 points, 2 turnovers
PSU: 186 yards, 7 points, 2 turnovers
UCD: 149 yards, 7 points
CPSLO: 131 yards, 0 points, 2 turnovers
Sac: 300 yards, 28 points, 1 turnover
USD: 200 yards, 3 points, 1 turnover
Weber: 4 yards, 0 points, 3 turnovers
MSU: 194 yards, 7 points, 1 turnover

So looking at the Grizzlies final stats their defense allowed on average 381 yards per game which is about 191 per half. Looking at that the defense did better in the 2nd half on 6 of the 10 games, were just about at the average in 3 of the 10, and just 1 of the 10 games they were pretty badly burned.

Additionally, scoring, the Grizzly defense allowed just about 23 points per game, which, if all things were even, means they should be allowing 11.5 points per half. However the team was allowing 7.6 points per half. And if you get more technical and remove a few scores opposing teams special teams or defenses scored on the Griz the Grizzly defense was allowing less than 1 TD per game in the 2nd half (6.2 points per game).

Call me crazy, but that seems pretty damn good.

If you want to hump Ty's leg thinking he is the man for the job, be my guest. I will just be thankful you are not making the decision. :thumb:

In other words, you can't refute the stats, so it's all in your head?

 

[griz4life]

Here's a few things about Ty's defense discourage me from suggesting he's a great candidate for head coach, or even defensive coordinator.

Opponent 3rd down conversions. UM is currently 88th in this category. Griz opponents convert on 3rd down 41 percent of the time.
I know there fans who think this is the offense's fault for keeping the defense on the field too long, but any defense that allows its opponents to convert on third down 41 percent of the time isn't getting the job done.

88th in passing defense, as well.

Opponent 4th down conversion, in conference, UM is 9th in opponent fourth down conversion in conference. The Griz give it up 55.6 percent of the time on fourth down.
Nationally, UM is tied for 83rd for fourth down conversion defense and gives it up 57 percent of the time on fourth down. Gotta like those odds.

Opponent 1st downs, because not everyone has to convert on 3rd and 4th, tied with Sac. State for 77th place with 257 first downs surrendered this year.

If UM was to hire a current FCS DC to be its next head coach, couldn't it go after one whose team is at least consistently in the top 25 in most of these categories? I think it will. I'm surprised it isn't bringing one in now to position him for the head coaching position.

 

[spsyk]

Brint,

I'm with you considering, Ty if it came from hiring within, and I go even farther, he is the only one I would consider.

Tell me, would coach Delaney come back as a volunteer position coach.???

I see coach Delaney and staff staying in position for another two seasons, they gave Mick a one year deal, just in case next season turn completely to crap, and it won't because of the athletes returning, next year will be acceptable for one more year for Mick.

For some reason the president of the university and the AD think they owe Mick something.

Two more seasons for Delaney if he makes the playoffs. Has to pay for his new house on the golf course.

 

[grizcountry420]

Here's a few things about Ty's defense discourage me from suggesting he's a great candidate for head coach, or even defensive coordinator.

Opponent 3rd down conversions. UM is currently 88th in this category. Griz opponents convert on 3rd down 41 percent of the time.
I know there fans who think this is the offense's fault for keeping the defense on the field too long, but any defense that allows its opponents to convert on third down 41 percent of the time isn't getting the job done.

88th in passing defense, as well.

Opponent 4th down conversion, in conference, UM is 9th in opponent fourth down conversion in conference. The Griz give it up 55.6 percent of the time on fourth down.
Nationally, UM is tied for 83rd for fourth down conversion defense and gives it up 57 percent of the time on fourth down. Gotta like those odds.

Opponent 1st downs, because not everyone has to convert on 3rd and 4th, tied with Sac. State for 77th place with 257 first downs surrendered this year.

If UM was to hire a current FCS DC to be its next head coach, couldn't it go after one whose team is at least consistently in the top 25 in most of these categories? I think it will. I'm surprised it isn't bringing one in now to position him for the head coaching position.

The guy is all bark and no bite when it comes to his defensive schemes.. It absolutely drives me nuts. His play calling is way too passive agressive and those stats speak for themselves. That's far from average.

 

[grizfnz]

For some reason the president of the university and the AD think they owe Mick something.

Almost has the appearance that Rolls Royce had his hires in place before the door closed on Pflu and O'day. :shock:

 

[griz5700]

Way too many ifs with Gregorak. He's Mr. rah-rah but what else has he proven that would make you think he is head coaching material? The Boulder incident and getting fired at UNLV immediately takes him out of consideration, especially with Engstrom I assume. He needs to prove he is a strong, capable Defensive Coordinator before he takes on a much larger role.

I don't see anyone on this staff ready to become a HC.

 

[Bobcat]

Said it before and I will say it again. There is a new king on the block and it is NDSU. They are on their way to a third national championship in 6 years of playoff eligibility, when our two programs have 3 combined in a total of 70 years of playoff eligibility.

We can make all the shitty North Dakota jokes that we want, but it doesn't change a recruits mine. Yes it is cold in Fargo, yes it is flat, but I don't think many of you realize that Fargo has a metropolitan area of about 250k last time I checked, and constantly has two other Division 2 colleges in Moorhead Minnesota across the river. Buddy of mine told me that the combined college population in that town between NDSU, and Moorhead State, and Concordia across the river is over 30k. I have been to a few parties there during my days up in Grand Forks, and they blow UM and MSU away. Downtown scene in Fargo is also no comparison. They are also 3 hours from Minneapolis/Saint Paul where the majority of their stud recruits come from. They will continue getting excellent recruits and being a top notch program.

They also understand one thing the Grizz don't understand right now. To be a consistent winner, you need to pound the rock on the ground and play lights out defense. At least MSU is trying to get there.