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Lamson > Ay Yat

Skookum-Jim said:
I think Lambson is probably the better football player but agree that Ay Yat has a higher potential.
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If Lamson is so good how come he started 4 games for 4 programs over 4 seasons before 2025? It seems to me that he was never able to shine until he came to Bozeman and 3 previous programs and coaches tried and failed.
 
mthoopsfan said:
If Lamson is better, why was and is he behind Ah Yat in all-conference and pre-season rankings? Others don’t agree with you.

Lamson isn’t behind Ah Yat in national publications that have ranked FCS QB’s. I couldn’t find a single one. Lamson is #1 or #2. Ah Yat is three in most that I have seen. Tied with Pennington for number two on the Daily Handoff. Hero Sports, FCS Football Central, Daily Handoff are the ones I could find. You stated all conference and pre-season, which I take as BSC specific. Lamson is getting national credit for being the returning QB for a NC team. He should. To me this debate is a really good one. Both QB’s are solid under pressure. The season and their performances will depend on the players surrounding them. Griz have the players in place to contend. How long does it take to gel and how does Ah Yat lead them? National publications are usually weak from an FCS standpoint. Still, they are ranking the QB’s by the numbers and seem to have the top 3-5 ranked fairly accurately.
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5280Griz said:
If Lamson is so good how come he started 4 games for 4 programs over 4 seasons before 2025? It seems to me that he was never able to shine until he came to Bozeman and 3 previous programs and coaches tried and failed.
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I don’t understand this line of thinking? So the QB ends up fitting a system, team and coaching staff and you think that his previous experience with other FBS programs means he isn’t a good QB? Weird argument. What if Ah Yat had started at Syracuse and then moved to Stanford. Different results? Makes no sense.
 
Copper Griz said:
I don’t understand this line of thinking? So the QB ends up fitting a system, team and coaching staff and you think that his previous experience with other FBS programs means he isn’t a good QB? Weird argument. What if Ah Yat had started at Syracuse and then moved to Stanford. Different results? Makes no sense.
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Lamson fits the system at MSU well but he isn’t going to get any NFL opportunities because he wasn’t successful at multiple other college programs. Ah Yat on the other hand will get an opportunity in the NFL. Based on Ah Yat’s trajectory so far if he transfers to P4 in 2027 he could be a first round pick in the 2028 NFL draft.
 
GrizRealist said:
Not saying Ay Yat isn’t the better QB, but citing an all conference selection as the qualifying evidence is some dumb reasoning. Those selections often hilight players undeservingly and are inherently political.
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The all conference teams are selected by the coaches. You think that the Big Sky coaches are dumb at evaluating the players in their conference compared to the average poster on egriz?
 
GrizRealist said:
Not saying Ay Yat isn’t the better QB, but citing an all conference selection as the qualifying evidence is some dumb reasoning. Those selections often hilight players undeservingly and are inherently political.
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Actually, the best team in the conference often gets too many players. Lamson not being selected as such is further evidence that Ah Yat has a better season and was better. Even with MSU beating the Griz didn’t propel him to the top.
 
Copper Griz said:
I don’t understand this line of thinking? So the QB ends up fitting a system, team and coaching staff and you think that his previous experience with other FBS programs means he isn’t a good QB? Weird argument. What if Ah Yat had started at Syracuse and then moved to Stanford. Different results? Makes no sense.
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I s as free with 5280. His argument is correct.
 
“If you lean toward Ah Yat, the argument is simple and highly compelling: He does more heavy lifting. Montana State boasts a historically dominant ground game that opens up massive passing lanes and deep-ball opportunities for Lamson. Ah Yat, on the other hand, had the entire weight of the Griz passing offense on his shoulders as a sophomore and still completely shredded defenses to the tune of a 4,000-yard season.

Ultimately, putting Ah Yat at No. 2 (or even No. 1) is completely justified based on pure arm talent, volume, and that First-Team All-Conference resume.”

Gemini.
 
“2. Pure Arm Talent and Passing Projectability
This is where Ah Yat separates himself in the eyes of NFL personnel.

  • Ah Yat: He is a natural, fluid pocket passer with advanced processing skills. He possesses a quick, effortless release and highly impressive intermediate-to-deep ball accuracy. NFL offenses are built on a quarterback's ability to handle high-volume dropbacks, read full-field progressions, and anticipate windows. Ah Yat proved he can carry an entire offense with his arm, delivering high-level touch and velocity on a high volume of throws.
  • Lamson: While Lamson’s deep-ball efficiency numbers were staggering, it was heavily aided by Montana State’s dominant, run-heavy option system that freezes safeties and creates massive windows. Lamson has a strong arm, but his mechanics can occasionally get rigid, and he hasn't been asked to carry a high-volume, pass-first pro-style offense the way Ah Yat has.
  • Advantage: Ah Yat

3. Modern Mobility and Improvisation​

  • Ah Yat: Ah Yat has fantastic pocket presence. He isn't just a runner; he uses his legs to manipulate the pocket, evade the rush, and extend plays while keeping his eyes strictly downfield. This "off-platform" improvisational playmaking is exactly what modern NFL offenses look for.
  • Lamson: Lamson is a highly effective, powerful runner on designed plays, but his mobility is more linear and physical.
  • Advantage: Ah Yat

The Final Scouting Verdict​

  • Keali'i Ah Yat projects as a traditional, high-upside developmental NFL quarterback. He has the pedigree (his father Brian was a legendary Griz QB), the natural arm talent, and the processing ceiling that makes scouts believe he can operate a standard NFL passing game. If he continues to bulk up and cuts down on a few of his sophomore risk-taking interceptions, his ceiling is that of a draftable, multi-year NFL backup with starting potential.
  • Justin Lamson projects more as an athletic, versatile weapon. NFL teams love having a backup quarterback who brings a completely different element to the game—think of a Taysom Hill or a Jacoby Brissett type. Lamson’s elite ball security (zero picks in conference play) and short-yardage rushing power make him an intriguing candidate for a team looking for a highly efficient, tough-as-nails depth piece who can execute a specialized package.
If a franchise is looking for a pure quarterback to develop into a future passer, Ah Yat is the guy they turn the tape on first.”

Gemini.
 
5280Griz said:
If Lamson is so good how come he started 4 games for 4 programs over 4 seasons before 2025? It seems to me that he was never able to shine until he came to Bozeman and 3 previous programs and coaches tried and failed.
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Maybe he needed the right coaching and circumstances. It's not like Ay Yat has never struggled under some bad coaching. He did well at Stanford. I guess we'll see them both play this year again which is going to be great.
 
Last year, Montana's offense scored more points than MSU's offense.

Ah Yat had more yards, more TDs, and a higher average of yards per game.

Lamson had a higher efficiency per game.

Ah Yat had a higher total offense over the season.

Ah Yat had a higher average of total offense per game.

Lamson had higher total offense TDs.

Lamson had a higher pass yards per attempt and higher passing completion percentage.

I'm excited for the 26 season.
 
I honestly thought this was going to be a joke thread based on the title. Didn’t realize there would be people thinking there was a question about this. 🤷‍♂️
 
5280Griz said:
Lamson fits the system at MSU well but he isn’t going to get any NFL opportunities because he wasn’t successful at multiple other college programs. Ah Yat on the other hand will get an opportunity in the NFL. Based on Ah Yat’s trajectory so far if he transfers to P4 in 2027 he could be a first round pick in the 2028 NFL draft.
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5280Griz said:
Lamson fits the system at MSU well but he isn’t going to get any NFL opportunities because he wasn’t successful at multiple other college programs. Ah Yat on the other hand will get an opportunity in the NFL. Based on Ah Yat’s trajectory so far if he transfers to P4 in 2027 he could be a first round pick in the 2028 NFL draft.
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CDAGRIZ said:
I honestly thought this was going to be a joke thread based on the title. Didn’t realize there would be people thinking there was a question about this. 🤷‍♂️
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If it’s any consolation, it won’t make it 17 pages.
 
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