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Great post... except I don't have the same experience with DOs... there are several at our missoula hospitals and im friends with one...

However, in regards to filling the voids of engineering sectors that aren't currently met, let's get after it.
I had to add the Journalist and attorney parts part for fun. I actually have a lot of really good friends that are Journalists and attorneys. I have the a lot of respect for most of the Journalists, and most of the attorneys.
 
I think Tech offers Environmental and Industrial. Also, the Tech Mechanical Engineering program offers career and grad school paths into Aerospace, and biomed.
Tech has offered Environmental Engineering since the early 70’s and the program received ABET accreditation in 81.
 
Before I get into my rant about Osteopaths, I would agree with Engineering. There are Engineering degrees UM could offer that MSU and Tech don't.

UM wouldn't want to even try to compete with MSU's Mechanical or Computer Engineering Degrees. Those are both nationally ranked programs. That would be a waste of resources.

Tech has three of the best engineering programs in the nation in Petroleum& Mining Engineering, they are top ten in the nation in Electrical Engineering and one of thirteen Geological Engineering programs in the entire nation.

Between MSU and Montana Tech, both schools pretty much cover the Engineering gambit, but there are areas of engineering that UM could definitely specialize in.
  • Aerospace Engineering (I think UM should capitalize on this one).
  • Industrial Engineering
  • Biomedical Engineering (with the School of Pharmacy, Physical Therapy, and all of the specialized medical facilities in Missoula it would make sense)
  • Environmental Engineering (makes sense with the School of forestry)
  • Nuclear Engineering (neither MSU or MTech offer this and they don't need a nuclear reactor to study the discipline)
I agree with you on a Dental School as well, and I am very much a proponent of Engineering.

Now my rant.

Doctors of Osteopathy = Quacks, snake oil salesmen. I understand they take the same boards as M.D.s, but one is science and the other is new age crystals, skull massage, and magnets. I have more faith in WebMD than I do Osteopaths.

My mom is seeing an osteopath. This quack has her doing cranial sacral therapy, massages, infrared light therapy and no joke, MAGNETS, and meditation to treat her blind eye. She actually believes that garbage is going to restore her eyesight along with praying 8 times a day, because apparently 8 is some significant thing in the bible. Meanwhile, instead of listening to an ACTUAL doctor, having the eye removed, which would allow her brain to adjust, and strengthen her good eye she is throwing money at this voodoo priest.

I have more use for attorneys, but I put Osteopaths and Journalists on the same level of usefulness. Bring the hate...
FUCK YOU I'm an osteopath. And I am good at my job. Also learn and understand the ACTUAL premise instead of assumptions.
 
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FUCK YOU I'm an osteopath. And I am good at my job. Suck a cock. Also learn and understand the ACTUAL premise instead of assumptions.
i'm curious if you agree with what i wrote? i know the differences are pretty small these days in terms of admissions standards, etc, and blood-letting isn't taught as a treatment anymore :) . there are, of course, differences in the quality of osteopathic schools, some being a lot better than others. same goes for med schools, i know, but, and correct me if i'm wrong, osteopathic classes usually have many more students per each class, which is definitely not for the best. some have 200+ students in a single introductory class, with more advanced and specialized classes obviously having less students. when i was at an osteopathic school, there was a constant battle between the administration, who wanted to keep adding seats without increasing faculty size. unfortunately, some of these places care a lot more about making $$ than anything.
 
i'm curious if you agree with what i wrote? i know the differences are pretty small these days in terms of admissions standards, etc, and blood-letting isn't taught as a treatment anymore :) . there are, of course, differences in the quality of osteopathic schools, some being a lot better than others. same goes for med schools, i know, but, and correct me if i'm wrong, osteopathic classes usually have many more students per each class, which is definitely not for the best. some have 200+ students in a single introductory class, with more advanced and specialized classes obviously having less students. when i was at an osteopathic school, there was a constant battle between the administration, who wanted to keep adding seats without increasing faculty size. unfortunately, some of these places care a lot more about making $$ than anything.
Now is much better than even when I went to school 25 years ago. The number of DO schools I think has tripled from when I went. The average MCAT is significantly higher now too. It has exploded more so because of need and partly because of the combined residency governance now. There is no doubt some are trying to make money, but the candidate is much more qualified now as well. My class was 246. That was the largest ever for the school at the time, and I think maybe even 3rd largest in the nation??? Dont remember that part. Yes for sure class sizes are larger...and that is where the money is. For example, I got into Oklahoma State University (school is in Tulsa) and they only had 88 slots. 80 for OK residents and 8 for states without a med school (Montana at the time). Now they are over 100. Some have created "satellite" schools in different states (Kirksville in Mesa AZ for example). Back in the OG versions, there was some interesting concepts. Now not as much, but look at allopathic schools early on as well.
 
FUCK YOU I'm an osteopath. And I am good at my job. Suck a cock. Also learn and understand the ACTUAL premise instead of assumptions.
Man I stomped on that nerve! Lol, outrage much? My daughter is a DO student at Ohio University. That's why we actually moved to Ohio, to help her and her husband with their kids while they are in school.

Also, a good friend of mine is at DO at Carcass Daly in Hamilton. Make no mistake, I give both of them crap about it as well.

Relax. I was a lazy government employee, law enforcement officer and dumb Marine. Man my eyes still glaze over every time I drive past a donut shop. Do you know what do you call a Marine with an IQ of 160? An Airman. Shake it off, I am ignorant and opiniated.
 
FUCK YOU I'm an osteopath. And I am good at my job. Suck a cock. Also learn and understand the ACTUAL premise instead of assumptions.
I was gonna bring up the Hasan Minhaj joke about DO's are docs that just didn't score as well on their MCAT but.....
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The School of Medicine doesn't have to be in Missoula. Heck, MSU has a their nursing program extension at UM.
MSU is building a nursing facility in the Medical Corridor near Intermountain/SCL in Billings. It only makes sense because of the number of nursing students they send here.
Carroll College has an engineering program as well. A friend of mine started at Carroll and transferred to MSU for 3rd and 4th years. He was amazed at how much harder it was at Carroll.
 
Before I get into my rant about Osteopaths, I would agree with Engineering. There are Engineering degrees UM could offer that MSU and Tech don't.

UM wouldn't want to even try to compete with MSU's Mechanical or Computer Engineering Degrees. Those are both nationally ranked programs. That would be a waste of resources.

Tech has three of the best engineering programs in the nation in Petroleum& Mining Engineering, they are top ten in the nation in Electrical Engineering and one of thirteen Geological Engineering programs in the entire nation.

Between MSU and Montana Tech, both schools pretty much cover the Engineering gambit, but there are areas of engineering that UM could definitely specialize in.
  • Aerospace Engineering (I think UM should capitalize on this one).
  • Industrial Engineering
  • Biomedical Engineering (with the School of Pharmacy, Physical Therapy, and all of the specialized medical facilities in Missoula it would make sense)
  • Environmental Engineering (makes sense with the School of forestry)
  • Nuclear Engineering (neither MSU or MTech offer this and they don't need a nuclear reactor to study the discipline)
I agree with you on a Dental School as well, and I am very much a proponent of Engineering.

Now my rant.

Doctors of Osteopathy = Quacks, snake oil salesmen. I understand they take the same boards as M.D.s, but one is science and the other is new age crystals, skull massage, and magnets. I have more faith in WebMD than I do Osteopaths.

My mom is seeing an osteopath. This quack has her doing cranial sacral therapy, massages, infrared light therapy and no joke, MAGNETS, and meditation to treat her blind eye. She actually believes that garbage is going to restore her eyesight along with praying 8 times a day, because apparently 8 is some significant thing in the bible. Meanwhile, instead of listening to an ACTUAL doctor, having the eye removed, which would allow her brain to adjust, and strengthen her good eye she is throwing money at this voodoo priest.

I have more use for attorneys, but I put Osteopaths and Journalists on the same level of usefulness. Bring the hate...
What's wrong with journalists? Politics aside, what issue do you have with journalism? I'll take information which has sources, verification, and basis in facts over any newscast, podcast, Facebook, Instagram etc. emotionally charged rants. At least there is some accountability in journalism unlike most sources of information that folks digest.
 
I was gonna bring up the Hasan Minhaj joke about DO's are docs that just didn't score as well on their MCAT but.....
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My current primary care physician is an osteopath and graduate of Rocky Vista in Colorado. According to him, Rocky Vista grads were well represented in the high scores on the Boards. Truth? I have no reason to doubt him.
 
What's wrong with journalists? Politics aside, what issue do you have with journalism? I'll take information which has sources, verification, and basis in facts over any newscast, podcast, Facebook, Instagram etc. emotionally charged rants. At least there is some accountability in journalism unlike most sources of information that folks digest.
Regarding journalist, one word...objectivity.
 
I painted that comment with a broad stroke, but my experience with D.O's has never been positive. You are also spot on. I did look up his credentials and he is not an Ophthalmologist, which I expressed emphatically to my mother, but she is so desperate to get her sight back in her eye that she won't listen to reason at all.

It's not going to happen. She suffered a Central retinal vein occlusion (eye stroke) and lost all of her vision. Her original ophthalmologist told her she would never regain her vision, so she got a second, third and fourth opinion.

Finally she saw this witch doctor who says with magnets, infrared therapy, no sh*t healing crystals, and Craniosacral massage therapy, she might regain partial eyesight. So FOUR ophthalmologists are wrong, but for $4999.00 Dr. Voodoo is gonna help her get it back.

A sucker is born every second, unfortunately it's my 81 year old mother.

Anyway it would be cool for someone, anyone in the state to actually start a legitimate school of medicine so our kids don't continue to leave the state.
That exact same thing (except may have been the retinal artery) happened to a friend of mine in the night. He raced to St Pat's E.R. from P Burg early that am but it was already too late. For the post-stroke anti-coagulant to work the med must be administered I think within the first few hrs. He followed up with Rocky Mtn eye but they said same thing--nothing to be done.
 
Before I get into my rant about Osteopaths, I would agree with Engineering. There are Engineering degrees UM could offer that MSU and Tech don't.

UM wouldn't want to even try to compete with MSU's Mechanical or Computer Engineering Degrees. Those are both nationally ranked programs. That would be a waste of resources.

Tech has three of the best engineering programs in the nation in Petroleum& Mining Engineering, they are top ten in the nation in Electrical Engineering and one of thirteen Geological Engineering programs in the entire nation.

Between MSU and Montana Tech, both schools pretty much cover the Engineering gambit, but there are areas of engineering that UM could definitely specialize in.
  • Aerospace Engineering (I think UM should capitalize on this one).
  • Industrial Engineering
  • Biomedical Engineering (with the School of Pharmacy, Physical Therapy, and all of the specialized medical facilities in Missoula it would make sense)
  • Environmental Engineering (makes sense with the School of forestry)
  • Nuclear Engineering (neither MSU or MTech offer this and they don't need a nuclear reactor to study the discipline)
I agree with you on a Dental School as well, and I am very much a proponent of Engineering.

Now my rant.

Doctors of Osteopathy = Quacks, snake oil salesmen. I understand they take the same boards as M.D.s, but one is science and the other is new age crystals, skull massage, and magnets. I have more faith in WebMD than I do Osteopaths.

My mom is seeing an osteopath. This quack has her doing cranial sacral therapy, massages, infrared light therapy and no joke, MAGNETS, and meditation to treat her blind eye. She actually believes that garbage is going to restore her eyesight along with praying 8 times a day, because apparently 8 is some significant thing in the bible. Meanwhile, instead of listening to an ACTUAL doctor, having the eye removed, which would allow her brain to adjust, and strengthen her good eye she is throwing money at this voodoo priest.

I have more use for attorneys, but I put Osteopaths and Journalists on the same level of usefulness. Bring the hate...
I've had some excellent outcomes with Osteopaths...🤷
 
What's wrong with journalists? Politics aside, what issue do you have with journalism? I'll take information which has sources, verification, and basis in facts over any newscast, podcast, Facebook, Instagram etc. emotionally charged rants. At least there is some accountability in journalism unlike most sources of information that folks digest.
What accountability? Seriously - where / what is it? How exactly is it administered?
 
Man I stomped on that nerve! Lol, outrage much? My daughter is a DO student at Ohio University. That's why we actually moved to Ohio, to help her and her husband with their kids while they are in school.

Also, a good friend of mine is at DO at Carcass Daly in Hamilton. Make no mistake, I give both of them crap about it as well.

Relax. I was a lazy government employee, law enforcement officer and dumb Marine. Man my eyes still glaze over every time I drive past a donut shop. Do you know what do you call a Marine with an IQ of 160? An Airman. Shake it off, I am ignorant and opiniated.
Allot of military guys take the DO route because of the time loss serving and because of the financial support necessary to get through school, med school, residency and fellowship. It’s a big sacrifice and strain on families and most are very skilled.
 
Allot of military guys take the DO route because of the time loss serving and because of the financial support necessary to get through school, med school, residency and fellowship. It’s a big sacrifice and strain on families and most are very skilled.
That's exactly why my daughter went that route. She was a pre-med major at UM then transferred to UNLV. She was doing a bit too much partying in Vegas so enlisted in the Marine Corps. When she and her husband discharged they moved here. He is a flight paramedic and she decided to go back to school to be a D.O. instead of and MD. It fit her beliefs and values more than M.D. Idk, she is a Missoula kid, half hippy/half mountain girl so it made sense to her. Also, I know there are DO's who are very good at their profession, and they are not witch doctors, but some are. He is going to Ohio University after she graduates for the same DO program. I will still bust their balls though because it's what I do.

There is nothing wrong with anybody's profession. I am equal with my trolling of all of them. I will be the first person to trash my own profession/s. There are stereotypes for all of them. Also, not in my defense, but I have that vet sense of dark humor where nothing is sacred or safe.

Sometimes I forget my audience, and the fact that the majority of people are sensitive about things. To quote my wife, "You can be a real ass and you're as sensitive of other people as a dead rooster".

Now back to the new president... I would like to see someone who is forward thinking, isn't afraid to rock the boat, loves athletics and academics equally. That unicorn probably doesn't exist though. I would like to see someone open up new avenues for education though. We know MSU will get their panties in a bunch if UM goes the engineering route, but I see no reason why there couldn't be an Aerospace and Nuclear engineering program, just because MSU has a minor or MA program doesn't mean they have the Bachelors degrees for those disciplines, and just because they are taught, doesn't mean they are quality programs.

I think it would boost enrollment at UM.
 
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That exact same thing (except may have been the retinal artery) happened to a friend of mine in the night. He raced to St Pat's E.R. from P Burg early that am but it was already too late. For the post-stroke anti-coagulant to work the med must be administered I think within the first few hrs. He followed up with Rocky Mtn eye but they said same thing--nothing to be done.

What's wrong with journalists? Politics aside, what issue do you have with journalism? I'll take information which has sources, verification, and basis in facts over any newscast, podcast, Facebook, Instagram etc. emotionally charged rants. At least there is some accountability in journalism unlike most sources of information that folks digest.
As I stated in a follow-up, I was just busting balls. I give them a hard time like I do everyone else, cops, attorneys, DMV employees, security guards, firemen, bankers, accountants, military, why discriminate. Also, as I stated, I tend to forget my audience. It's a personality flaw thanks to being in the military and law enforcement too long.
 
We know MSU will get their panties in a bunch if UM goes the engineering route, but I see no reason why there couldn't be an Aerospace and Nuclear engineering program, just because MSU has a minor or MA program doesn't mean they have the Bachelors degrees for those disciplines, and just because they are taught, doesn't mean they are quality programs.

I think it would boost enrollment at UM.
space, the final frontier... i think the aerospace idea is a good one. dunno about nuclear engineering, because that might need an accelerator. where's the nearest one, pocatello? when i was at isu they had a couple of half-baked schemes hatched to make the university a fortune with theirs, and those went nowhere. it's strange, because idaho national labs is nearby-ish, and isu didn't seem to have much connection with them. aerospace, on the other hand, could be a good addition. it's a growing field with growing opportunities. hell, throw in a space biology program, that area might be able to develop a flow of funding. or not. it all depends on smart hires and some luck.
 
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