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Fallen behind what. We won 13 games. Made the semis. Will be ranked no. 3 in the nation. We're in the championship game on 2023. Won the conference in 2023. Beat 4 MV schools this season. Have done better against the Dakota and MV schools than the Cats. The Cats have gotten better; the Griz haven't fallen behind. UM should have won the first Cat game this season, if not both. Congrats to the Cats. They have done well in most years in the last decade. I'm fine with that. But they don't have as good of a stadium, attendance, game-day atmosphere, season tickets, etc. They have had problems with coaches and players off-field and on-field.

How can you even say or think the Griz have gone backwards in recent years? That just isn't true, not even remotely close to being true. As Soldier just said, you guys are off your rocker.
UM has improved, but not as fast as msu. That’s the problem. So we have fallen further behind. Their enrollment continues to outpace ours and their football team has gone to a title game three of the last four years, winning one. UM has won two conference titles and made one championship appearance since 2009. The ‘status quo’ isn’t going to cut it.
 
MV teams and CW is not padding. They are better than some conf teams. CW brings in huge net revenue.
I’m not sold on D2 ( that’s the CW I think you are referring to). Partially agree on MV. UND and above for sure, Indiana state, not so much. I was more referring to the St Francis type teams. I also get that it’s a crapshoot. Sometimes teams have down years that you didn’t anticipate like Appalachian State in 2013.

Scheduling OOC games is part art, part fortune telling.
 
I’m not sold on D2 ( that’s the CW I think you are referring to). Partially agree on MV. UND and above for sure, Indiana state, not so much. I was more referring to the St Francis type teams. I also get that it’s a crapshoot. Sometimes teams have down years that you didn’t anticipate like Appalachian State in 2013.

Scheduling OOC games is part art, part fortune telling.
UNI was ranked #3 when we beat them on the road and they finished 5-6 for another example of a team that had a down year that wasn't anticipated. Facing the 2 best offenses in the Big Sky with Montana in week 2 and EWU in week 3 put UNI in a tail spin that they couldn't recover from.
 
UNI was ranked #3 when we beat them on the road and they finished 5-6 for another example of a team that had a down year that wasn't anticipated. Facing the 2 best offenses in the Big Sky with Montana in week 2 and EWU in week 3 put UNI in a tail spin that they couldn't recover from.
I mentioned it in another thread but so far this is Bobby 2.0s record at Neutral Sites and Away games (2018-Present Day):

-Overall Away Record: 23-18 for a Winning Percentage 56.1%

-Record vs teams with a Winning Record: 3-15 for a Winning Percentage of 20%

-Record vs teams with .500 or Losing Record: 20-3 for a Winning Percentage of 86.96%

-Record on the Road in Playoffs and at Neutral Sites: 0-6 (with 1 year missing the Playoffs) for a Winning Percentage of 0%

Road Record by Year:

2018: 3-2 (Postseason Did not Make it)
2019: 3-4 (Postseason 0-1)
2021: 4-2 (Postseason 0-1)
2022: 2-4 (Postseason 0-1)
2023: 4-2 (Postseason 0-1)
2024: 3-3 (Postseason 0-1)
2025: 4-1 (Postseason 0-1)

We clearly have a serious issue playing good teams on the road, we can't seem to beat then.
 
I mentioned it in another thread but so far this is Bobby 2.0s record at Neutral Sites and Away games (2018-Present Day):

-Overall Away Record: 23-18 for a Winning Percentage 56.1%

-Record vs teams with a Winning Record: 3-15 for a Winning Percentage of 20%

-Record vs teams with .500 or Losing Record: 20-3 for a Winning Percentage of 86.96%

-Record on the Road in Playoffs and at Neutral Sites: 0-6 (with 1 year missing the Playoffs) for a Winning Percentage of 0%

Road Record by Year:

2018: 3-2 (Postseason Did not Make it)
2019: 3-4 (Postseason 0-1)
2021: 4-2 (Postseason 0-1)
2022: 2-4 (Postseason 0-1)
2023: 4-2 (Postseason 0-1)
2024: 3-3 (Postseason 0-1)
2025: 4-1 (Postseason 0-1)

We clearly have a serious issue playing good teams on the road, we can't seem to beat then.
The UNI road win was under Stitt in 2016. He also was not as successful on the road as your earlier post pointed out, but the UNI win was a high point of his time here as far as road wins go.
 
UM has improved, but not as fast as msu. That’s the problem. So we have fallen further behind. Their enrollment continues to outpace ours and their football team has gone to a title game three of the last four years, winning one. UM has won two conference titles and made one championship appearance since 2009. The ‘status quo’ isn’t going to cut it.
No, UM has fallen behind at all. MSU has moved up, and slightly ahead. UM isn't in status quo. Sorry, but someone is going to be no. 1 and someone is going to be no. 3. In 2023, UM was ahead of MSU. Settle down. Stop saying stupid things that show you don't understand the game.
 
Agree! It’s lost on some, but it is what it is.
And it's lost on some fans, apparently like you, that no. 3 in the nation, semis, 13-2 and all the other good things in the program, are bigger for the program than losses to the Cats. If you want to think the only 2 important things in the program are beating the Cats and winning a national championship, go for it. You can be disappointed and frustrated most every year. Most of us will enjoy the seasons and support the team.
 
I mentioned it in another thread but so far this is Bobby 2.0s record at Neutral Sites and Away games (2018-Present Day):

-Overall Away Record: 23-18 for a Winning Percentage 56.1%

-Record vs teams with a Winning Record: 3-15 for a Winning Percentage of 20%

-Record vs teams with .500 or Losing Record: 20-3 for a Winning Percentage of 86.96%

-Record on the Road in Playoffs and at Neutral Sites: 0-6 (with 1 year missing the Playoffs) for a Winning Percentage of 0%

Road Record by Year:

2018: 3-2 (Postseason Did not Make it)
2019: 3-4 (Postseason 0-1)
2021: 4-2 (Postseason 0-1)
2022: 2-4 (Postseason 0-1)
2023: 4-2 (Postseason 0-1)
2024: 3-3 (Postseason 0-1)
2025: 4-1 (Postseason 0-1)

We clearly have a serious issue playing good teams on the road, we can't seem to beat then.
UM beats good team on the road every year, Your problem is that you are a neggie and a pessimist. And don't understand the game of football nor the Griz program. Hauck has more playoff wins than any other active coach, and next year will probably become the leading FCS playoff winner of all time.
 
UM beats good team on the road every year, Your problem is that you are a neggie and a pessimist. And don't understand the game of football nor the Griz program. Hauck has more playoff wins than any other active coach, and next year will probably become the leading FCS playoff winner of all time.
Correct, because he was an abject failure and in way over his head at UNLV. A program that he needed to turn around and couldn’t rely on the success of others. So he had to come crawling back to the only place that would give him another head coaching job.

13-2 when you are in a watered down FCS is not impressive. We are a second tier FCS program at this point. Step below DSU’s and MSU. Win against D2 schools, but crumple in important games. Can’t get to the top tier of success.

Booby “Hysell” Hauck.
 
And it's lost on some fans, apparently like you, that no. 3 in the nation, semis, 13-2 and all the other good things in the program, are bigger for the program than losses to the Cats. If you want to think the only 2 important things in the program are beating the Cats and winning a national championship, go for it. You can be disappointed and frustrated most every year. Most of us will enjoy the seasons and support the team.
This is one of those agree to disagree moments. There are a bunch of us that attach a greater importance to the cats and in-state parity. It’s perfectly ok that you disagree. We each have our perspective.
 
This is one of those agree to disagree moments. There are a bunch of us that attach a greater importance to the cats and in-state parity. It’s perfectly ok that you disagree. We each have our perspective.
Yes, fine. I understand. But that doesn't mean you or anyone should be saying that the last Griz season was anything other than a terrific season. Not perfect, as they almost never are, but terrific.
 
Correct, because he was an abject failure and in way over his head at UNLV. A program that he needed to turn around and couldn’t rely on the success of others. So he had to come crawling back to the only place that would give him another head coaching job.

13-2 when you are in a watered down FCS is not impressive. We are a second tier FCS program at this point. Step below DSU’s and MSU. Win against D2 schools, but crumple in important games. Can’t get to the top tier of success.

Booby “Hysell” Hauck.
Hauck did fine at UNLV, and better than anyone in recent history up to the that time. He went to the first bowl game in many years. It's a tough place to coach. And Hauck was terrific at San Diego State, ending up as the assistant head coach. And asked to return as the head coach a couple years later. Hauck didn't come crawling back. He wanted to come back for multiple reasons. He wanted to RTD. UM is 3d in the nation in FCS this year. UM isn't a second tier FCS school. That comment is just plain STUPID. Even most idiots wouldn't agree with that. UM has done better against the MV and Dakota schools and the Cats in recent years.
 
Yes, fine. I understand. But that doesn't mean you or anyone should be saying that the last Griz season was anything other than a terrific season. Not perfect, as they almost never are, but terrific.
13 wins is fantastic! I freely admit that my attitude about it has been completely colored by the cat losses. Like I said before, I believe they have a higher level of importance for many reasons. I also see that the programs stated goals of conference championship, beating the cats, and national championship were not achieved. That is the “not perfect” part of your statement.

13-2 records and being #3 in the nation are fantastic accomplishments. But there is unfinished business.
 
13 wins is fantastic! I freely admit that my attitude about it has been completely colored by the cat losses. Like I said before, I believe they have a higher level of importance for many reasons. I also see that the programs stated goals of conference championship, beating the cats, and national championship were not achieved. That is the “not perfect” part of your statement.

13-2 records and being #3 in the nation are fantastic accomplishments. But there is unfinished business.
No one on the Griz FB staff or AD disagree with that.
 
So here’s what I think is being missed and something that the boomers on this board don’t understand. Modern football is akin to selling a product. One of the biggest killers of any once great company is lack of innovation and complacency.

Our football product and athletics department in general is so stale it’s an absolute shame. We seriously still play a Jay-Z song as our run out? How many times can we drag out our throwback colors and brag about the 95 chipper?

Imagine AT&T deciding to double down on land line phones in the late 90’s instead of revamping as an internet and mobile provider? That is exactly what Griz athletics and football under Haslam and Hauck 2.0 have become.

You don’t hire the old guard to innovate and bring you into the modern era. You do what MSU has done the past 15 years. At this point Vigens selling the new iPhone while Hauck and Haslam are convinced they can still make their quarter hawking Sky-tel pagers.
Couldn’t agree more, new logis new songs, need to get i to 2026 to make this work and keep up. Seriously the logos have been tired for decades. Rebrand and reload
 
Hauck did fine at UNLV, and better than anyone in recent history up to the that time. He went to the first bowl game in many years. It's a tough place to coach. And Hauck was terrific at San Diego State, ending up as the assistant head coach. And asked to return as the head coach a couple years later. Hauck didn't come crawling back. He wanted to come back for multiple reasons. He wanted to RTD. UM is 3d in the nation in FCS this year. UM isn't a second tier FCS school. That comment is just plain STUPID. Even most idiots wouldn't agree with that. UM has done better against the MV and Dakota schools and the Cats in recent years.

This is an all time low iq comment, lol. Hauck did so good that he got fired?

Booby came crawling back because he thought he could still coast on the institutional advantages built up well before he got here. But he quickly realized that everyone else has caught up. He is too stubborn and slow to make any necessary changes. Keeps the old guys and his family around so he doesn’t get exposed.

Hoops, when does the RTD part of the plan happen?
 
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I agree with much of what you said. But improving the music isn’t going to do any of the things others have suggested. The crowd is great at Griz games. Way better and louder than in Bozeman. UM is an exciting game day experience. Advertising and NIL doesn’t come from people or kids who would enjoy better music. Big NIL comes from a smaller group who are like me and don’t care about the music. Many are in the boxes and canyon club and can’t hear or don’t listen to much of the music. The ones on the sidelines aren’t there to listen to the music. I can’t imagine advertisers gear their advertising to the music.

Yes, advertisers typically try to go after the coveted 75 year old grumpy old man segment. That’s is the ticket to a brand staying relevant and maintaining market share.

In 5-10 years most of that crowd won’t be around anymore. Where are the new generation of Griz donors going to be? They’ll be at the R Bar singing Mony Mony because Kent let them all grow up to be cat fans.

Such a shame and was completely avoidable.
 
Yes, advertisers typically try to go after the coveted 75 year old grumpy old man segment. That’s is the ticket to a brand staying relevant and maintaining market share.

In 5-10 years most of that crowd won’t be around anymore. Where are the new generation of Griz donors going to be? They’ll be at the R Bar singing Mony Mony because Kent let them all grow up to be cat fans.

Such a shame and was completely avoidable.
We're still a long way away from that. People who are 30 years of age or older had their childhood be the Griz dominating the Cats.
 
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