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5280Griz said:
The 3-3-5 could have won ISU a natty and it was not easy for the Cats to run over Monday, especially in the second half. The difference is ISU’s strength coach has a kinesiology degree instead of journalism. ISU’s defensive front 3 are bigger and stronger than UM’s.
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Do you any empirical data to support your argument? Or, more than likely, it’s just conjecture.
 
Ursus Horriblis said:
Do you any empirical data to support your argument? Or, more than likely, it’s just conjecture.
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Which part of the argument are you referring to? Comparing the yards gained by each team and specifically runs yards gained of each team and it looks like ISU won the game. This means the defense was not why they lost to MSU and MSU did run over all over their defense. The average weight of their 3 man front in the 3-3-5 is 285 pounds with 2 of the 3 over 100 pounds. I don’t believe UM had anyone over 300 pounds playing. I could be wrong there please correct me if UM did.
 
5280Griz said:
All schemes will look poor with poor personnel from a poor training program. On the flip side, all schemes will look elite with the correct personnel and an elite training program. If we change the scheme without addressing the strength and training program, the results won’t be substantially different.
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I think this is a good point. I have said previously that I don't know enough to accurately diagnose the problems - but it's obvious to me because I have eyes that there are issues that need to be fixed and the current state of things is simply not good enough.

I just feel like we can divide egriz into two camps - those who are frustrated with the current status quo and believe that some significant changes need to be made in order to get the team over the hump in order to be able to beat the cats consistently, win BSC championships and contend for a national championship on a regular basis, and those who think everything is perfectly okay because we won some games and were "so close" to beating the cats this year.

So maybe it just all comes back to recruiting and strength and conditioning which is your point in your post. And pretty much also what Andrew Schmidt has been saying all year and everyone around here seems to want to dog on him for.
 
5280Griz said:
The question is can we realistically have an elite nose tackle to effectively run the 3-3-5? It seems to me that has only happened with Gubner. Our 3-3-5 is also more difficult for first year players starting to learn than the 4-2-5 that 90% of teams use in college football.
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Gubner was all world, but we don't need him every year to be successful in this defense. It would be wonderful, but not necessary.

Our defense as a whole is not as experienced as it was in 2023. This defense needs continuity and takes a lot of game reps to operate at full potential.
 
406football said:
Gubner was all world, but we don't need him every year to be successful in this defense. It would be wonderful, but not necessary.

Our defense as a whole is not as experienced as it was in 2023. This defense needs continuity and takes a lot of game reps to operate at full potential.
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lol what defense. We lost our best player at every level save for Wing.
 
5280Griz said:
All schemes will look poor with poor personnel from a poor training program. On the flip side, all schemes will look elite with the correct personnel and an elite training program. If we change the scheme without addressing the strength and training program, the results won’t be substantially different.
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Ultimately it falls on Bobby to change those things.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
lol what defense. We lost our best player at every level save for Wing.
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What is every level?

I think the D is pretty strong already, even without more transfers. Schwartz and Pifferini should be good at DE. The CW transfer at DE. The 2 big back up nose tackles. We need more corners, but have the frosh and one of the Beaners. Have some returners at safety and the Carroll transfer. And a Beaner. Oven and more at backer, along with Wing. Presumably some redshirt frosh and young comes coming up. And then, of course, transfers. Having the Portal guys gone is too bad, but that opens up scholarships. And there are a zillion guys in the Portal, many of whom are not going to get homes at upper levels. As of now, I'm not concerned. Maybe later after we see what comes from the Portal.
 
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Da Boyz Mom said:
My comment was quoting and responding to discussion about scrapping the 3-3-5 and how that was not going to happen unless we get a different coach. Which is why I quoted a post that quoted an earlier post. It's not the first time nor certainly the last when a discussion takes a bit of a detour. If everybody had to stay completely on target with what the original post was, most threads would only be a page or two. And egriz would die. Lol.

All that to say that I don't disagree with what you just said. I don't think losing him is that big of a deal, but I do think hanging on to the 3-3-5 when it's obviously not working against teams like the cats is a big deal. Maybe now would be a good time to rethink it and change the plan, but I seriously doubt that will happen. Hence my comment to just get used to the status quo. That took far more explaining than I feel like it should have. 🤷‍♀️
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I don’t agree with your comment about the D not working against the Cats.

And it works against MV teams.

And you don’t scrap the main D scheme to address one team.
 
He’s just making up stuff, which he often does. His posting style goofs up egriz. You can’t rely on anything he says. One of the best things about egriz is reading posts and posters who are reliable. You can learn and advance knowledge.

Egriz has a bunch of these new big mouth posters who don’t know what they are talking about. It’s hard to sort through their BS and wastes time. Give us info from the top 15 posters and some tidbits from occasional posters. With the longer term posters who don’t know what they are talking about, at least many of us have learned to ignore them or discount what they say.

There are many posters who may or may not have info or know football, but they never say something that is made up or not true. For the most part, I enjoy reading what they have to say.
 
griznative24 said:
If wanting my team to compete for a championship makes me a bad fan then I guess I'm a bad fan!
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Nobody but nobody said that. I said criticizing the team, coaches and AD when they have had a terrific season makes you wrong, and a bad fan. Stick to what was said. You are a horrible fan and have been the whole time you have posted on egriz. Live with it. It's who you are.
 
AnotherGrizFan said:
So you’re saying Bobby has the Griz “pretty close” to dominance? You should go back to hiding.
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No, I didn't say that. I said the Griz returned to dominance, like they had been when Bobby was first at UM, several years ago. That's why he stopped saying RTD. Dominance means getting towards the top and near the top most every year, but doesn't mean winning the championship every year.

Are you saying 13-2, semis, 2 losses to the eventual national championship team, ranked no. 3 in the nation is a bad season?
 
mthoopsfan said:
No, I didn't say that. I said the Griz returned to dominance, like they had been when Bobby was first at UM, several years ago. That's why he stopped saying RTD. Dominance means getting towards the top and near the top most every year, but doesn't mean winning the championship every year.

Are you saying 13-2, semis, 2 losses to the eventual national championship team, ranked no. 3 in the nation is a bad season?
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Yes, you did. I’m clearly saying not being able to win the BSC, going 2-8 vs MSU and being out-recruited by them in the state of Montana is definitely not dominance. Have you ever heard Bobby say it was?
 
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