4th and 1

[kemajic]

That field goal distance is within range for most high school teams and they would have won the game if they made it.

Disagree. Cats had time to score again. No time off the clock with the kick. and a shaky kicker.

 

[5280Griz]

Disagree. Cats had time to score again. No time off the clock with the kick. and a shaky kicker.

Yeah you and 406 make a good point about MSU getting the ball back that I wasn’t thinking of.

 

[cclarkblues]

This kicker was not the same one they had all season. I think he had only kicked in one or two of the playoff games.

All the more reason not to use him in that situation.

 

[cclarkblues]

That field goal distance is within range for most high school teams and they would have won the game if they made it.

That kicker had never made one over 35 yards I believe they said.

 

[MartyParty]

Run the ball on 4th down. There was too.much time left on the clock anyway. If they kick and make it the Cats go down the field when the defense goes into prevent and kicks the winning FG anyway. Run the clock out and go to overtime and lose the game because you can't execute the extra point

 

[5280Griz]

That kicker had never made one over 35 yards I believe they said.

He wasn’t great from within 35 yards either obviously and the snap and hold were goofed up as well.

 

[406football]

In my opinion kicking is almost always the right call but all 3 people involved in the operation goofed up as well as whoever was supposed to block the Cat player off the edge.

operational time should always take care of the edge rusher. Spack should have some inclination that his kicking game was in shambles.

 

[5280Griz]

Both holds were worse than the snaps.

Have you ever snapped, held or kicked a field goal?

 

[Skookum-Jim]

This is all second guessing by a bunch of armchair coaches. Statistics would say kick the FG.

 

[406football]

This is all second guessing by a bunch of armchair coaches. Statistics would say kick the FG.

What statistics? Are you using NFL analytics?

 

[406football]

This is all second guessing by a bunch of armchair coaches. Statistics would say kick the FG.

Going for it maximizes expected win probability.

 

[kemajic]

Have you ever snapped, held or kicked a field goal?

I have. Confidence is key.

 

[5280Griz]

I have. Confidence is key.

I was asking Hoops because he said the hold was worse than the snap on the field goal when the laces were facing directly at the kicker on the snap. I have a family member who has been in the NCAA record books for over 40 years for kicking field goals.

 

[Skookum-Jim]

What statistics? Are you using NFL analytics?

Go look at the success rate on 4th and 1 against this years cat defense. Then look at success rate for short FG's for ISU this year. Compare the stats and let me know if I'm wrong.

 

[406football]

Go look at the success rate on 4th and 1 against this years cat defense. Then look at success rate for short FG's for ISU this year. Compare the stats and let me know if I'm wrong.

I get where you are coming from, but that means nothing when momentum is in your favor. The game dictates how you play the game. The game last night told me they should go on 4th and 1 and to let the offense win or lose the game.

 

[5280Griz]

I get where you are coming from, but that means nothing when momentum is in your favor. The game dictates how you play the game. The game last night told me they should go on 4th and 1 and to let the offense win or lose the game.

406 did you play football at a high level? Where you are coming from is usually a sentiment from former players. People who didn’t play the game at a high level don’t understand the importance of momentum swings.

 

[grizphan]

on the extra point the bobs player who blocked it was in front of the kicker in the blink of an eye. one could argue it was blocked because of his effort, more than anything.

Both were mis handled.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

406 did you play football at a high level? Where you are coming from is usually a sentiment from former players. People who didn’t play the game at a high level don’t understand the importance of momentum swings.

Channeling your inner PR?

 

[GottaluvGriz]

Go look at the success rate on 4th and 1 against this years cat defense. Then look at success rate for short FG's for ISU this year. Compare the stats and let me know if I'm wrong.

That Cat Defense was gassed at that point. ISU was pushing them around. I was screaming at the TV for them to go for the 1st down. Couldn’t believe the coach chickened out. Cost them the game in my opinion. (That and the dropped interception on the Cats 3rd down in OT.)

 

[mthoopsfan]

Have you ever snapped, held or kicked a field goal?

Yes, I used to do all 3 at the same time in college.