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[mousegriz1]

Yes, I used to do all 3 at the same time in college.

Did you ever successfully hold one of your snaps for yourself to kick?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Did you ever successfully hold one of your snaps for yourself to kick?

Yes, it was sort of a trick play. I used to do those things, separately, in practice.

My son was a kicker in college, as well as a safety and receiver. I know a bit about kicking. My son played, as opposed to your son who sat on the bench, according to what you said.

 

[5280Griz]

Yes, it was sort of a trick play. I used to do those things, separately, in practice.

My son was a kicker in college, as well as a safety and receiver. I know a bit about kicking. My son played, as opposed to your son who sat on the bench, according to what you said.

So you should know the laces from the snap pointing directly at the kicker is a problem that goofs the whole operation up.

 

[mthoopsfan]

So you should know the laces from the snap pointing directly at the kicker is a problem that goofs the whole operation up.

Of course, but bobbling the ball and not getting it down quickly are bigger problems. Most, but not all, kickers hesitate when they see that, and then have their rhythm thrown off and miss kicks. And they don't kick the ball as soon, and it gives more time for the kick to be blocked. Did you know that? Do you know how often I talked to my son, the kicker, over the years?

 

[5280Griz]

Of course, but bobbling the ball and not getting it down quickly are bigger problems. Most, but not all, kickers hesitate when they see that, and then have their rhythm thrown off and miss kicks. And they don't kick the ball as soon, and it gives more time for the kick to be blocked. Did you know that? Do you know how often I talked to my son, the kicker, over the years?

All those subsequent issues started because of the bad snap. The holder bobbled it trying to adjust the laces to be out and that made the kicker hesitate which led to it being blocked.

 

[mthoopsfan]

All those subsequent issues started because of the bad snap. The holder bobbled it trying to adjust the laces to be out and that made the kicker hesitate which led to it being blocked.

The snap or snaps weren't perfect, but a good holder doesn't have problems with snaps like that. It's their job to field a non-perfect snap and put the ball down. The primary fault of the misses was the holder. And then it's the kicker for hesitating. A good and experienced kicker knows that he has to just come through and make/take the kick, because if he hesitates, he will almost never make the kick. His only or best chance is just to come through and take the kick, whether the ball is there or in the right place or not. For longer kicks, the kicker needs his full swing. For shorter kicks, it doesn't matter. He should just kick if the ball is close to being where it should be. Laces in the right place is icing on the cake; a kicker can make kicks hitting the laces. I have talked a zillion times with my son and kicking coaches about this very thing, i.e. not hesitating when he sees a problem.

 

[mthoopsfan]

So you should know the laces from the snap pointing directly at the kicker is a problem that goofs the whole operation up.

Laces are seldom a problem, especially for a shorter kick. As I said, just icing on the cake to have laces facing away. Again, especially for a not long kick. The kicker just powers through the ball. As the kick gets longer, the laces can goof up the spin, etc. and cause the longer kick to go astray.

From Reddit:

"I was a kicker in high school and was recruited to play at a couple of smaller D1 programs. I also went to quite a few recruiting/training camps and learned a lot from actual experts .

It's a myth that the placement of the laces has any effect on the kick. The foot (or the part of the foot that actually matters) makes contact with the ball well below the stripes or laces. From that alone, one can deduce that it doesn't matter. If the foot did hit the stripe, the kicker fucked up."

 

[5280Griz]

Laces are seldom a problem, especially for a shorter kick. As I said, just icing on the cake to have laces facing away. Again, especially for a not long kick. The kicker just powers through the ball. As the kick gets longer, the laces can goof up the spin, etc. and cause the longer kick to go astray.

From Reddit:

"I was a kicker in high school and was recruited to play at a couple of smaller D1 programs. I also went to quite a few recruiting/training camps and learned a lot from actual experts .

It's a myth that the placement of the laces has any effect on the kick. The foot (or the part of the foot that actually matters) makes contact with the ball well below the stripes or laces. From that alone, one can deduce that it doesn't matter. If the foot did hit the stripe, the kicker fucked up."

I have a family member who kicked field goals and extra in the Big 10 and held for them in the NFL, my coach in high school kicked field goals and extra points at Texas Tech under Mike Leach, my girlfriend’s cousin’s best friend punted at Illinois State and they were at the game in Nashville together, one of my friends has over 150 kicking points for the Griz and another friend held for kicks in the old Pac 12. I will trust what they have to say in regards to the laces not being out being an issue over someone on Reddit who it sounds like did not play at a high level.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I have a family member who kicked field goals and extra in the Big 10 and held for them in the NFL, my coach in high school kicked field goals and extra points at Texas Tech under Mike Leach, my girlfriend’s cousin’s best friend punted at Illinois State and they were at the game in Nashville together, one of my friends has over 150 kicking points for the Griz and another friend held for kicks in the old Pac 12. I will trust what they have to say in regards to the laces not being out being an issue over someone on Reddit who it sounds like did not play at a high level.

Then you should know more than what you do. Or you never have talked to them. What you have said is wrong.

I knew Jan Stenerud when he kicked for MSU and thereafter. And Nick Lowry. So there. Ha.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

I have a family member who kicked field goals and extra in the Big 10 and held for them in the NFL, my coach in high school kicked field goals and extra points at Texas Tech under Mike Leach, my girlfriend’s cousin’s best friend punted at Illinois State and they were at the game in Nashville together, one of my friends has over 150 kicking points for the Griz and another friend held for kicks in the old Pac 12. I will trust what they have to say in regards to the laces not being out being an issue over someone on Reddit who it sounds like did not play at a high level.

Quick question, what is the best way to snap the ball to ensure that the holder catches and places the ball with the laces out? Most every snap i can picture the holder catches the ball and places it and spins the laces out.

 

[5280Griz]

Quick question, what is the best way to snap the ball to ensure that the holder catches and places the ball with the laces out? Most every snap i can picture the holder catches the ball and places it and spins the laces out.

It is being consistent with your snap and finding the exact distance the holder should be for your snap to be laces out each time. If you have the same snap each time, the holder lining up at the same distance will have the same result as far as where the laces are.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

It is being consistent with your snap and finding the exact distance the holder should be for your snap to be laces out each time. If you have the same snap each time, the holder lining up at the same distance will have the same result as far as where the laces are.

Not sure that can be that constant. How many revolutions does a ball spin before the holder catches it? The snapper would have to snap with the exact same spin and speed every single time. That would be damn impressive.

 

[5280Griz]

Then you should know more than what you do. Or you never have talked to them. What you have said is wrong.

I knew Jan Stenerud when he kicked for MSU and thereafter. And Nick Lowry. So there. Ha.

They said what you said it true that a kicker can power through the laces being inside or halfway turned. The foot is supposed to make contact right at the bottom of where the laces would be. It Isn’t ideal and actually worse on shorter kicks than longer kicks. They said laces in on short kicks is usually worse than longer kicks because the ball comes off the foot with more wobble, contact feels “dead” or heavy and mis hits effect accuracy more than distance. If the laces are turned halfway, there is usually a more minor wobble. There is also the mental aspect behind kicking. Having to change up your routine because the snap isn’t where it is supposed to be will goof up most kickers.

 

[5280Griz]

Not sure that can be that constant. How many revolutions does a ball spin before the holder catches it? The snapper would have to snap with the exact same spin and speed every single time. That would be damn impressive.

Everyone is different as fair as how many revolutions a ball spins but that is what you need to figure out. For me it was 3.5 rotations for field goals/PATs. The snapper is expect to snap with the same spin and speed at this level and the NFL for field goals and PATs. Punts which are a longer snap the laces aren’t as big of a deal.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Everyone is different as fair as how many revolutions a ball spins but that is what you need to figure out. For me it was 3.5 rotations for field goals/PATs. The snapper is expect to snap with the same spin and speed at this level and the NFL for field goals and PATs. Punts which are a longer snap the laces aren’t as big of a deal.

Ok, Ive been educated. Just watched some snapping videos and there is certainly an art to snapping the ball so the laces are out. That being said though, they all mentioned that the holder should be properly trained on spinning the ball because consistency is hard. Apparently ISU's ST coach cost them a natty and should be fired.

 

[5280Griz]

Ok, Ive been educated. Just watched some snapping videos and there is certainly an art to snapping the ball so the laces are out. That being said though, they all mentioned that the holder should be properly trained on spinning the ball because consistency is hard. Apparently ISU's ST coach cost them a natty and should be fired.

From what I understand, consistent snaps are expected at the college (at least division 1) and NFL levels. In high school it isn’t that realistic to expect consistency and the holder should expect to have to spin the ball around.

 

[406football]

Ok, Ive been educated. Just watched some snapping videos and there is certainly an art to snapping the ball so the laces are out. That being said though, they all mentioned that the holder should be properly trained on spinning the ball because consistency is hard. Apparently ISU's ST coach cost them a natty and should be fired.

The issue is most teams in college and the NFL do not employ a kicking or holding specialist. This is why most kickers train elsewhere in the offseason.

 

[5280Griz]

Then you should know more than what you do. Or you never have talked to them. What you have said is wrong.

I knew Jan Stenerud when he kicked for MSU and thereafter. And Nick Lowry. So there. Ha.

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