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The Portal, the Tranfers, NIL, and maintaining sanity

701Grizfan said:
loyalty? College football is big business, there is very little if any loyalty and thats just the way it is. Lane Kiffin, Nick Saban, heck you think Cignetti was loyal to JMU? He wasn’t. I wish there was more loyalty and agree it is a great leadership quality but to be super successful in business, unfortunately loyalty isn’t required it a nice to have. It’s the world we are living in and you can still learn to be a warrior while taking the money.
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You’re bringing up coaches as examples, but they are what? Contracted employees? There is consequences if they or their employer don’t fulfill their end of the agreement. There is not retribution for a school when a player leaves after investing in them.
 
701Grizfan said:
loyalty? College football is big business, there is very little if any loyalty and thats just the way it is. Lane Kiffin, Nick Saban, heck you think Cignetti was loyal to JMU? He wasn’t. I wish there was more loyalty and agree it is a great leadership quality but to be super successful in business, unfortunately loyalty isn’t required it a nice to have. It’s the world we are living in and you can still learn to be a warrior while taking the money.
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One man’s opinion. To be a part of something greater than yourself is a great opportunity to learn the lessons of sacrifice and humility. Two very important building blocks for developing character. Sacrifice is giving up your personal desire for the success of the team. Humility is accepting that you don’t know as much as you think you do and listening and learning from others who DO, know more than you. Keep telling yourself yourself loyalty is not important for success and it won’t be long before you start believing it.
 
Wolf777 said:
You’re bringing up coaches as examples, but they are what? Contracted employees? There is consequences if they or their employer don’t fulfill their end of the agreement. There is not retribution for a school when a player leaves after investing in
Wolf777 said:
You’re bringing up coaches as examples, but they are what? Contracted employees? There is consequences if they or their employer don’t fulfill their end of the agreement. There is not retribution for a school when a player leaves after investing in them.
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Nor should there be. Make the kids sign a contract some will still leave
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Ursus Horriblis said:
One man’s opinion. To be a part of something greater than yourself is a great opportunity to learn the lessons of sacrifice and humility. Two very important building blocks for developing character. Sacrifice is giving up your personal desire for the success of the team. Humility is accepting that you don’t know as much as you think you do and listening and learning from others who DO, know more than you. Keep telling yourself yourself loyalty is not important for success and it won’t be long before you start believing it.
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I work at Apple for 17 years at $xxxx per year, if Microsoft comes along tomorrow and doubles it and I take it that makes me not loyal or a person of less character and morality? It doesnt. Team first always but there is nothing wrong with changing teams and chasing your own dream. If I die tomorrow, Apple will post for my role before my obit hits the paper.
 
701Grizfan said:
loyalty? College football is big business, there is very little if any loyalty and thats just the way it is. Lane Kiffin, Nick Saban, heck you think Cignetti was loyal to JMU? He wasn’t. I wish there was more loyalty and agree it is a great leadership quality but to be super successful in business, unfortunately loyalty isn’t required it a nice to have. It’s the world we are living in and you can still learn to be a warrior while taking the money.
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Loyalty is significant in business and in life.

That said, I am not sure how to evaluate what loyalty is in college football in these early Wild West days of NIL. To me, there are factors other than loyalty that can influence players to remain at a school.

For some, it appears that money, getting more playing time, and trying a bigger school are overriding factors. Those aren’t big factors for some and certainly weren’t for me. Of course, there wasn’t NIL then. Just some under the table money at a few places. I wanted a good education at my good school, to stay with my friends, and to play with my friends. I wanted what I thought would occur for the next 50 years with the comrades of my school and its alums. I wouldn’t have wanted to put in the effort and time of what it takes to play college sports now.

I can’t imagine that even half of transfers get what they think they want. For some it’s more mercenary and selfish now. That’s not my idea of being part of a team. But I can understand the draw of big money for those relatively few top players.
 
701Grizfan said:
I work at Apple for 17 years at $xxxx per year, if Microsoft comes along tomorrow and doubles it and I take it that makes me not loyal or a person of less character and morality? It doesnt. Team first always but there is nothing wrong with changing teams and chasing your own dream. If I die tomorrow, Apple will post for my role before my obit hits the paper.
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…Apple, meet Orange! Keep making my argument for me regarding character…
 
701Grizfan said:
I work at Apple for 17 years at $xxxx per year, if Microsoft comes along tomorrow and doubles it and I take it that makes me not loyal or a person of less character and morality? It doesnt. Team first always but there is nothing wrong with changing teams and chasing your own dream. If I die tomorrow, Apple will post for my role before my obit hits the paper.
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Work is different than college and college sports. Would you move and upset your wife or her job, move your kids from their schools, friends and sports, move from your aging parents, etc. For a two-yr job? I could have doubled or tripled my income at multiple times, but I wanted to live in MT and have the nice job I had.

Maybe that’s why I am loyal and supportive to the Griz and the team, and don’t cut and run and start complaining when the team doesn’t win it all or ends up with its 2 losses to the rival. Life goes on. Let the coaches evaluate and try to improve, and have some fun with what you have, is my view.

You and I are obviously different. I have noticed that in many of your posts. It’s a free country. You can say and do what you want, and so can I.
 
Ursus Horriblis said:
One man’s opinion. To be a part of something greater than yourself is a great opportunity to learn the lessons of sacrifice and humility. Two very important building blocks for developing character. Sacrifice is giving up your personal desire for the success of the team. Humility is accepting that you don’t know as much as you think you do and listening and learning from others who DO, know more than you. Keep telling yourself yourself loyalty is not important for success and it won’t be long before you start believing it.
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Very good post.
 
Skookum-Jim said:
Wow I'm really surprised here. What better place to get an education and be couched up for the next three years than UCD. I'm guessing he goes to UCLA or Stanford.
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I think he's a P4 talent, and he's going to get a lot of P4 interest.

Also saw Carter Vargas is visiting several big P4 teams, so it might be big turnover for UCD this offseason.
 
HookedonGriz said:
Yep over 4000 now. Insane to me!

They said that’s 1 out of 3 D1 football players in the US…..😳
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I just double checked that math. I think they were only including FBS on that which is about 14,000 players across 130 teams. Once you add in another 13,000 for FCS then it more like 1 out of every 7 in the portal
 
take it for what it's worth, but i asked ai what the % of all players entering the portal don't find a new team, and this is the answer i got (side note - by saying players are 'still active', it means still active in the portal):

Roughly 30% to over 40% of college athletes entering the NCAA transfer portal don't find a new NCAA team, with recent data showing about 31% of D1 athletes still active and previous NCAA reports indicating over 40% of FBS players didn't land at a new school, leaving many with unmet goals or leaving the sport entirely. The percentage varies slightly by sport (e.g., FBS vs. FCS) and year, but a significant portion, often close to half, don't successfully transfer to another program
 
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