And from within the boundary of this state.Isn’t it odd that the dakotas and Bozeman have no problem finding good d linemen
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interesting question…
This scheme is supposedly hard to learn and takes a few years to actually work. That’s why the 23 team was so good. They were in it forever. With the portal, you need players to adapt. Since the learning curve is so long, they need to have run a scheme that nobody runs to be effective on day 1. That’s a big part of the problem. That and no beef.
One 280 lb NT, 2 250 lb DE’s and a 225 lb LB on the LOS. A real recipe for success against 5 300+ O-linemen…
Right?
billingsgriz
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Okay, Sask, then if you know of any FCS or FBS teams that have won a national championship and/or NFL teams
that have won a Super Bowl playing the 3-3-5--and I am not trying to be a smart a$$--please list them.The most recent example I know of--sorry for repeating myself--is Jan. 9, 2023 FBS National Championship, TCU vs. Georgia. It is not an exaggeration to say this game was the college football equivalent of The Battle of Little Big Horn as TCU's vaunted 3-3-5 was shredded and annihilated by a big, strong, mobile 300 lb. + Georgia O line as Georgia ran the ball 44 times for 254 yards, 5.8 ypc--sound familiar ?--on their way to a 65-7 embarrassment of TCU.
TCU had the most prominent 3-3-5 defense in the country, and it was embarrassingly obliterated on national TV in a game every TCU alum and/or fan would love to forget : ( !!!
We didn’t lose because we played the 3-3-5 specifically, we did lose because the kind of players needed to run to it effectively have only been on this team once since it was brought here and any defense that is dependent upon unicorns to run effectively is trash
billingsgriz
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We should keep Coach Hauck, but he has to sh_t can the 3-3-5--it ain't going to get us back to dominating MSU and not just playing in the natty but winning the damn thing. !!!
And for those defending the 3-3-5 claiming if we can just recruit another Gubner, another O'Connell, unfortunately that's the perfect solution for a perfect world
but the world we live in is very imperfect. We need to transition to a 4-2-5, 4-3-4 ASAP and develop the high-school DT's and recruit the portal transfers to make it happen so that we have 5 or 6 big, strong, mobile 280-300 lb DT's with two of them on the field at the same time, playing side by side. If MSU and NDSU can do it, why can't we ?
And for those defending the 3-3-5 claiming if we can just recruit another Gubner, another O'Connell, unfortunately that's the perfect solution for a perfect world
but the world we live in is very imperfect. We need to transition to a 4-2-5, 4-3-4 ASAP and develop the high-school DT's and recruit the portal transfers to make it happen so that we have 5 or 6 big, strong, mobile 280-300 lb DT's with two of them on the field at the same time, playing side by side. If MSU and NDSU can do it, why can't we ?I kind of agree with that. Food for thought.
Yeah, I can see that. I will admit I like a D with a guy playing 2/3 tech and Eagle, Mike, and Sam running around. I don't know why Coach Hauck is married to the 3-3-5. He must feel that it gives the kids he can get the best chance at being successful. We'd all love to have two 350 guys who run a 4.5 in the middle but I feel like they are at Georgia, or Notre Dame and missing the playoffs which is awesome but also another story.Okay, Sask, then if you know of any FCS or FBS teams that have won a national championship and/or NFL teams
The most recent example I know of--sorry for repeating myself--is Jan. 9, 2023 FBS National Championship, TCU vs. Georgia. It is not an exaggeration to say this game was the college football equivalent of The Battle of Little Big Horn as TCU's vaunted 3-3-5 was shredded and annihilated by a big, strong, mobile 300 lb. + Georgia O line as Georgia ran the ball 44 times for 254 yards, 5.8 ypc--sound familiar ?--on their way to a 65-7 embarrassment of TCU.
TCU had the most prominent 3-3-5 defense in the country, and it was embarrassingly obliterated on national TV in a game every TCU alum and/or fan would love to forget : ( !!!
That’s the $64,000 question.
GriznMN
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$265,000 question?
I’m going to guess you’re younger than I am by a few years
The griz really didn't run a 3-3-5 base. They played what looked like a 4-3 with hybred players meaning DE/LB and LB/S the WLB generally played a buck end which is the same as the 4-2 front the cats showed most of the time. The interior DT Ramos and Bailey are not smaller than the bobcat interior defensive lineman.Okay, Sask, then if you know of any FCS or FBS teams that have won a national championship and/or NFL teams
The most recent example I know of--sorry for repeating myself--is Jan. 9, 2023 FBS National Championship, TCU vs. Georgia. It is not an exaggeration to say this game was the college football equivalent of The Battle of Little Big Horn as TCU's vaunted 3-3-5 was shredded and annihilated by a big, strong, mobile 300 lb. + Georgia O line as Georgia ran the ball 44 times for 254 yards, 5.8 ypc--sound familiar ?--on their way to a 65-7 embarrassment of TCU.
TCU had the most prominent 3-3-5 defense in the country, and it was embarrassingly obliterated on national TV in a game every TCU alum and/or fan would love to forget : ( !!!
The Miami hurricanes won multiple NC with hybred players like what Montana has.
Oh and you owe me $100. Are you going to stiff me?
GriznMN
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Yes
GriznMN
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It seemed like they operated out of a 3-3-5 base with a buck end. The NT was eyes up with the center.
right.right.right…
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EXACTLY. Nobody should. He should have been fired along with all his other shitty hires he had to fire.
No, the Griz ran a 3-3-5. Stemming and moving players to try and match and or mitigate the strengths of the other team does not mean the defense suddenly became something it wasn’t. The Griz took one of their 3 linebackers and moved him to the line. They didn’t add another linebacker when they did that so no it wasn’t a 4-3. They packed the box with 8 players on several occasions did that make the Griz defense a 4-4? Nope. And it’s true that Bailey and Ramos are big, they both play nose and we’re not on the field at the same time. One 285 pound lineman with 2 240 pound linemen is NOT a model for success as the cats proved…twice.
The cats 4-2-5 defense is good because its:
1) sound
2) not a gimmick
3) simple
4) not required to have nfl caliber talent to run.
We used to have that exact kind of defense.
Now we have this garbage that was designed by a coach trying to do the best he had with the players available to him 40 years ago. And it set the world on fire to the point that hardly anyone runs it. And certainly no one vying for a Natty.
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