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Post Game: Not good enough

SoCal Surfer said:
Brint, in your next GFP suggest the way the Griz can continue to be successful and win a Natty.
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I want them to tall about the lack of success under Haslam and the fact he needs to go, or what arguments are there to keep him.
Posted it on another thread but since his hiring when it comes to Revenue generating sports (the most important) we have only won 5 total Big Sky Titles in 13 years (giving us a 19.23% winning/success rate) as one of the top 2 schools in the Conference in almost every category imaginable.
 
HikeGlacier said:
You’re fooling yourself if you think being down 20 to 3 had anything to do with injuries. Multiple times during the first quarter. Brock kept saying the Griz should be running the football because of the defense the cats were playing. Yet they continued to throw the ball. On numerous occasions, the announcers mentioned the size difference between the cats offensive line and the GRiZ defensive line. I believe they said the cats average 300 pounds and the Griz defensive line average 250. Did the injuries cause the continued poor snaps? Until we weed out sugarcoaters like you and Hoops we’re gonna continue to be the second rate program in the state.
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Yes, I was sure the coaching staff was going to have a great game plan coming into this game and win the game due to the adjustments they made from 4 weeks ago. That couldn’t have been further from what actually took place. That first offensive drive set the tone in my opinion and lo and behold it it ended up as ass kicking. Hats off to the players for fighting the whole game but I don’t think the staff did much to put them in a good position to win yesterday.
 
Jordan_20 said:
It is concerning to me that the cats coaches are coaching their kids to do hip drop tackles and target a players knee. Shafer and Davis could have had their injuries prevented with proper tackling technique
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Give me a break, my man. I’m as pissed off as anybody about losing, but this is stupid. We need to be better than this.
 
BWahlberg said:
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Well said. I had to apologize to a friend in the UK who was watching that our Montana boys didn't make a better showing. The initial comeback felt good but somehow still didn't seem sustainable.
 
Brint, great write up again and the injuries/ejection did impact us. However, the injuries/ejection were not in play in the 1st Qtr that we lost 13-0. In addition, at the end of the season, we should be able to fill in the holes with the 2nd string players, especially with how much the 2nd and 3rd string played this year, and game plan to their strengths. As part of the game plan preparation, there are contingency plans for these scenarios that coaches run through. In addition, we had a number of injuries this year that the injuries/ejection should not have impacted us as much as it would have if we didn't.

I understand your statement to caution Griz fans about calling out players and coaches, at this time. You are right about the countless hours the coaches put into this game often with no recognition or appreciation. When you see the time the coaches spend away from their families to coach the Griz, it brings a different level of respect to what they do. That is one of the reasons I do my best to refrain from criticizing them directly and, instead, work to positively support them. I occassionally fall back into my fan mindset and fail to uphold that approach. However, no matter what, NO ONE should call out individual players, either Griz or Cats.

There needs to be SERIOUS discussions during the off-season about what needs to be done to beat the Cats and actions/steps need to be taken to make it happen. 2-6 over the last 8 meetings is unacceptable and MUST change.

During the broadcast, the sideline announcer said that Lamson talked to his leadership coach. Is this something the Cats have and the Griz don't? What about a sports psychologist/sports performance coordinator to prepare the team mentally for these big games?

To end, as Griz fans, we need to remember that the score was 27-23 at the end of the 3rd Qtr. This game was won in the 4th Qtr. How much of the 4th Qtr result was due to injuries/ejection? How much was due to scheme/play calling/execution? How much was due to strength and conditioning? How much was due to mental toughness?
 
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GriznMN said:
Brint, great write up again and the injuries/ejection did impact us. However, the injuries/ejection were not in play in the 1st Qtr that we lost 13-0. In addition, at the end of the season, we should be able to fill in the holes with the 2nd string players, especially with how much the 2nd and 3rd string played this year, and game plan to their strengths. As part of the game plan preparation, there are contingency plans for these scenarios that coaches run through. In addition, we had a number of injuries this year that the injuries/ejection should not have impacted us as much as it would have if we didn't.

I understand your statement to caution Griz fans about calling out players and coaches, at this time. You are right about the countless hours the coaches put into this game often with no recognition or appreciation. When you see the time the coaches spend away from their families to coach the Griz, it brings a different level of respect to what they do. That is one of the reason's I do my best to refrain from criticizing them directly and, instead, work to positively support them. I occassionally fall back into my fan mindset and fail to uphold that approach. No matter what, NO ONE should call out individual players, either Griz or Cats.

As Griz fans, we need to remember that the score was 27-23 at the end of the 3rd Qtr. This game was won in the 4th Qtr. How much of the 4th Qtr result was due to injuries/ejection? How much was due to scheme/play calling/execution? How much was due to strength and conditioning? How much was due to mental toughness?

However, there needs to be SERIOUS discussions during the off-season about what needs to be done to beat the Cats and actions/steps need to be taken to make it happen. 2-6 over the last 8 meetings is unacceptable and MUST change.

During the broadcast, the sideline announcer said that Lamson talked to his leadership coach. Is this something the Cats have and the Griz don't? What about a sports psychologist/sports performance coordinator to prepare the team mentally for these big games?
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Bobby needs a leadership coach for himself.
 
I was listening to the game on the radio while working at the youth service's center in Billings, and I wanted to destroy our radio or something else when MSU scored a TD on 3rd and 20. !!!

Now, after reading Brint's thoughtful analysis, I realize when Coach Hauck warned us our team was beat up going into this game he wasn't being crafty or cute like I thought he was: not having that regular-season bye and playing two really physical teams back-to-back in SDSU and USD took it's toll. If I understood Brint's analysis correctly, Ramos, Tolbert, Loud were out for that play and Micah had already been ejected ( I don't think he should have been as Dowler was falling after the catch, thus the high hit.) When Bobby told the press earlier in the week our team was pretty beat up and we would have to practice without pads, he wasn't kidding or being crafty !!!

I do think we need to abandon the 3-3-5 or use it only sparingly against run-heavy teams like MSU. As an armchair QB that hasn't played tackle football for 40 + years, I have to defer to my two friends here in Billings, both former college WR's, one for Eastern in Cheney, the other for NAIA Dickinson State in ND as well as a former WR coach at the NAIA level.

Both told me the 3-3-5 was developed to counter a pass-heavy O like the late-great Mike Leach's Air Raid offense ( Mike was from nearby Cody, Wyo., and a few folks that knew Coach Leach in Cody told me he was a character in a good way, including at his 40th high-school reunion in Cody and please note, Mike like Bobby never played college football. ) or the similar Air-Bear offense of legendary GRIZ skipper Don Read. According to my WR friends, the 5 DB's would be used in either man--to-man, zone or both during a game to shut down the opponent's passing game when combined with blitzes coming from the DB's , LB's or both to support the outmanned front 3 and generate pressure on the other team's QB.

They also told me what the 3-3-5 was not intended for--stopping a run-first, run-heavy offense. They told me to stop a run-heavy team, the defense should be in a 4-3-4 defense or a 4-2-5 and that it was even possible to switch defensive configurations provided the D was that flexible and knew their different assignments between a 4-3-4 or a 4-2-5 and a 3-3-5 during the game , for example, on first and second down and switch to a 3-3-5 on 3rd and long.

I do hope that when we play an MSU or another run-heavy MVFC team, we are in either a 4-2-5 or a 4-3-4 next year where, for example, instead of Ramos or Bailey playing DT, they are both playing DT side-by-side, and I realize whether through developing high-school players or recruiting through the portal, more likely both, we need 3 or 4 more 280-300 lb DT's like former GRIZ All Big Sky DT and now jeweler extraordinaire Brian Toone, originally from Butte, and Ramos and Bailey.

I think if we will adopt the 4-3-4 or 4-2-5 for run-heavy teams with the DT's and DE's to support it, we will be even more successful next year. !!! Firing a legendary head coach for going 13-2 and defeating 3 MVFC teams and doing all of this with no regular-season bye, in the screaming words in a NY accent of tennis great John McEnroe yelling at a tennis umpire after a blown call duribg a match, " Are you serious? ...You can't be serious ? "

Go GRIZ. !!!
 
This years result is as good as its going to get as long as bobby is the coach. I don't like it and i wish for a change. I know bobby won't go anywhere and I believe this will do real harm to the once mighty Griz.
But its still enjoyable to be a Griz fan.
 
billingsgriz said:
I was listening to the game on the radio while working at the youth service's center in Billings, and I wanted to destroy our radio or something else when MSU scored a TD on 3rd and 20. !!!

Now, after reading Brint's thoughtful analysis, I realize when Coach Hauck warned us our team was beat up going into this game he wasn't being crafty or cute like I thought he was: not having that regular-season bye and playing two really physical teams back-to-back in SDSU and USD took it's toll. If I understood Brint's analysis correctly, Ramos, Tolbert, Loud were out for that play and Micah had already been ejected ( I don't think he should have been as Dowler was falling after the catch, thus the high hit.) When Bobby told the press earlier in the week our team was pretty beat up and we would have to practice without pads, he wasn't kidding or being crafty !!!

I do think we need to abandon the 3-3-5 or use it only sparingly against run-heavy teams like MSU. As an armchair QB that hasn't played tackle football for 40 + years, I have to defer to my two friends here in Billings, both former college WR's, one for Eastern in Cheney, the other for NAIA Dickinson State in ND as well as a former WR coach at the NAIA level.

Both told me the 3-3-5 was developed to counter a pass-heavy O like the late-great Mike Leach's Air Raid offense ( Mike was from nearby Cody, Wyo., and a few folks that knew Coach Leach in Cody told me he was a character in a good way, including at his 40th high-school reunion in Cody and please note, Mike like Bobby never played college football. ) or the similar Air-Bear offense of legendary GRIZ skipper Don Read. According to my WR friends, the 5 DB's would be used in either man--to-man, zone or both during a game to shut down the opponent's passing game when combined with blitzes coming from the DB's , LB's or both to support the outmanned front 3 and generate pressure on the other team's QB.

They also told me what the 3-3-5 was not intended for--stopping a run-first, run-heavy offense. They told me to stop a run-heavy team, the defense should be in a 4-3-4 defense or a 4-2-5 and that it was even possible to switch defensive configurations provided the D was that flexible and knew their different assignments between a 4-3-4 or a 4-2-5 and a 3-3-5 during the game , for example, on first and second down and switch to a 3-3-5 on 3rd and long.

I do hope that when we play an MSU or another run-heavy MVFC team, we are in either a 4-2-5 or a 4-3-4 next year where, for example, instead of Ramos or Bailey playing DT, they are both playing DT side-by-side, and I realize whether through developing high-school players or recruiting through the portal, more likely both, we need 3 or 4 more 280-300 lb DT's like former GRIZ All Big Sky DT and now jeweler extraordinaire Brian Toone, originally from Butte, and Ramos and Bailey.

I think if we will adopt the 4-3-4 or 4-2-5 for run-heavy teams with the DT's and DE's to support it, we will be even more successful next year. !!! Firing a legendary head coach for going 13-2 and defeating 3 MVFC teams and doing all of this with no regular-season bye, in the screaming words in a NY accent of tennis great John McEnroe yelling at a tennis umpire after a blown call duribg a match, " Are you serious? ...You can't be serious ? "

Go GRIZ. !!!
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The main problem is that Bobby won’t change or evolve. He’s too stubborn. If he doesn’t make wholesale changes next year, then 2026 should be his last year coaching. His PERS is already vested, so he can ride his retirement off into the sunset and spend his days fly fishing the Blackfoot.

The world has changed and both Bobby and UM have failed to evolve with it.
 
Wow some of you really need to step off the ledge. Not sure what Haslam was supposed to do about yesterday unless you wanted him to play DT. Is he supposed to step in and tell the coaches who they can and can’t recruit?

I’m not opposed to to making an AD change and that’s not because I don’t think Haslam is good, I just think it’s time to shake things up a little bit, but this hate towards Haslam about what happened yesterday is completely unwarranted.
 
Griz til I die said:
Wow some of you really need to step off the ledge. Not sure what Haslam was supposed to do about yesterday unless you wanted him to play DT. Is he supposed to step in and tell the coaches who they can and can’t recruit?

I’m not opposed to to making an AD change and that’s not because I don’t think Haslam is good, I just think it’s time to shake things up a little bit, but this hate towards Haslam about what happened yesterday is completely unwarranted.
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It’s because Haslam belongs to Bobby. Without any stones, the AD is powerless to exert change on a program. If he’s powerless or unwilling to try and improve anything, then he has to go.
 
Griz til I die said:
Wow some of you really need to step off the ledge. Not sure what Haslam was supposed to do about yesterday unless you wanted him to play DT. Is he supposed to step in and tell the coaches who they can and can’t recruit?

I’m not opposed to to making an AD change and that’s not because I don’t think Haslam is good, I just think it’s time to shake things up a little bit, but this hate towards Haslam about what happened yesterday is completely unwarranted.
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I think it's less hate and just an accumulation of overall mediocrity of coming up short over the course of his tenure. We are one of the top schools in the Big Sky in every category (especially resources) and despite all these advantages we have come up short in terms of Championships and Athletic success.
5 Championships over 13 years between the top 2 Revenue Sports is inexcusable and now add the fact we are behind MSU in almost every facet on and off the field is the icing on the cake. I dont hate the man because it hasnt been all doom and gloom but Data doesnt lie, he tried and has failed.
 
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