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NIL era

SoldierGriz said:
There are zero partial scholarships in FBS football, right now. Zero.

Right now - they are all full rides and they are worth hundred(s) of thousands of dollars...even at the cheapest state schools.

This may change soon - allowing FBS schools to split them up - like FCS school do.

Of course, FCS schools make pennies in revenue comparatively.

I have no problem with players earning money...I have substantial problems with people who quit mid season.

In 7th grade I volunteered (was forced) to play the trumpet in music. I told my dad I wanted to quit; I hated it. He said, "Nope - finish what you started son. You can elect to not start next year."

It was a good lesson...the proper lesson.

Hope this UNLV dude never plays another snap.
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What if you loved playing trumpet, and somebody else was going to pay you more to do it? Just a hypothetical.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
This makes me wonder how often in the past, when it was against the rules, kids were promised money to come to play sports, and once they get there they get told "tough luck, what are you going to do, go to the media about it, admit you have been on the take at all, and lose all your eligibility?"
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There was the inverse from the 30 for 30 series about SMU where the boosters bought a high schooler a new car, and he really didn't want to go to that school. So a competing team says "what are they going to do? Report you after they broke rules?"
 
One would think UNLV could have found $100,000 for this.

"All of this transpires with the Rebels in the midst of their best start in years. They are 3-0 having defeated power conference teams Kansas and Houston, host Fresno State this Saturday and meet Syracuse in another power conference game on Oct. 4. They are ranked for the first time since the program moved to Division I in 1978."

UNLV would seem to be able to find this amount of money. This is a tiny amount of money for a good qb who has led the team this far over these other teams. What is UNLV thinking? Maybe their backup is almost as good.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
What if you loved playing trumpet, and somebody else was going to pay you more to do it? Just a hypothetical.
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Sorry for the delayed response. I have limited cell phone range on my island.

Dad taught me to finish what I started. Current band mates needed me on the trumpet and the teacher liked me on the trumpet. We were 3-0 in city competitions and had a chance to advance to regionals. :)
 
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grizfnz said:
He said it had nothing to do with NIL, it was about opportunities to carry the ball. He had one carry in the last game where the team rushed 50 times.
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Maybe he should have rethunk this...they rushed the ball 47 times in that game, but 19 of them were by Sluka...now that HE'S gone, maybe things change? Then again, they had SIX different RB's with touches outside of Sluka
 
mthoopsfan said:
One would think UNLV could have found $100,000 for this.

"All of this transpires with the Rebels in the midst of their best start in years. They are 3-0 having defeated power conference teams Kansas and Houston, host Fresno State this Saturday and meet Syracuse in another power conference game on Oct. 4. They are ranked for the first time since the program moved to Division I in 1978."

UNLV would seem to be able to find this amount of money. This is a tiny amount of money for a good qb who has led the team this far over these other teams. What is UNLV thinking? Maybe their backup is almost as good.
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I really do think it has to do with the state law. I think the kid made a mistake going to the HC and asking for money. By my understanding of Nevada's NIL law, "pay to play" is specifically banned, and that is probably why UNLV is being so careful in their language in this by saying they could not pay him his requested money as it would be a violation of state law to pay him that money to keep him playing for the team.

It sounds like his representative should have gone to their NIL collective instead, and said "hey, we were promised 100k to play here, where are the NIL opportunities to get that money right now?"

Still think the kid should have been paid what he was promised, but the coach may have been legally obligated to say "I can't pay you to play here." Which the kid and his representative (seemingly rightly) took as UNLV going back on their word.

You are the attorney here, though, not me, so if I'm wrong about my understanding of the Nevada law, then I am happy to be corrected.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
I really do think it has to do with the state law. I think the kid made a mistake going to the HC and asking for money. By my understanding of Nevada's NIL law, "pay to play" is specifically banned, and that is probably why UNLV is being so careful in their language in this by saying they could not pay him his requested money as it would be a violation of state law to pay him that money to keep him playing for the team.

It sounds like his representative should have gone to their NIL collective instead, and said "hey, we were promised 100k to play here, where are the NIL opportunities to get that money right now?"

Still think the kid should have been paid what he was promised, but the coach may have been legally obligated to say "I can't pay you to play here." Which the kid and his representative (seemingly rightly) took as UNLV going back on their word.

You are the attorney here, though, not me, so if I'm wrong about my understanding of the Nevada law, then I am happy to be corrected.
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Don’t know Nevada law or much about facts. In this day of wink-nod, it seems Nevada could have made this work if they wanted to keep Sluka.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Don’t know Nevada law or much about facts. In this day of wink-nod, it seems Nevada could have made this work if they wanted to keep Sluka.
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Oh, totally agreed that they could have. And they absolutely SHOULD have paid the kid, whether he was promised the money by the NIL or an OC. A big run for UNLV like they have started on here would have paid a lot of dividends on that $100,000 investment. Not hard for them to cut him an NIL check to do a quick video advertising the NIL Collective itself, or something of the sort.

I think his mistake was going to the Coach and specifically saying "I will use my redshirt and not play if you don't pay me the 100k." I think he asked the wrong person for the money instead of going to the collective, and everybody got put into a tricky situation that I am sure they have had compliance training on as a staff. The coach might have froze and delivered the line he was told to say, "we cannot pay you to play here at UNLV," which the kid interpreted as "get out there and play for free."

From the ESPN article -- In a statement, UNLV said Sluka's representatives made financial demands in order to continue playing that its athletic department interpreted as a violation of the NCAA pay-for-play rules and Nevada state law. "UNLV does not engage in such activities, nor does it respond to implied threats," the school said in the statement.

Who knows. Work is slow, and my mind is a little too free to wander this morning.
 
mthoopsfan said:
One would think UNLV could have found $100,000 for this.

"All of this transpires with the Rebels in the midst of their best start in years. They are 3-0 having defeated power conference teams Kansas and Houston, host Fresno State this Saturday and meet Syracuse in another power conference game on Oct. 4. They are ranked for the first time since the program moved to Division I in 1978."

UNLV would seem to be able to find this amount of money. This is a tiny amount of money for a good qb who has led the team this far over these other teams. What is UNLV thinking? Maybe their backup is almost as good.
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It is axiomatic that the backup is always better. Every Dartmouth hall-of-famer knows that...
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
Oh, totally agreed that they could have. And they absolutely SHOULD have paid the kid, whether he was promised the money by the NIL or an OC. A big run for UNLV like they have started on here would have paid a lot of dividends on that $100,000 investment. Not hard for them to cut him an NIL check to do a quick video advertising the NIL Collective itself, or something of the sort.

I think his mistake was going to the Coach and specifically saying "I will use my redshirt and not play if you don't pay me the 100k." I think he asked the wrong person for the money instead of going to the collective, and everybody got put into a tricky situation that I am sure they have had compliance training on as a staff. The coach might have froze and delivered the line he was told to say, "we cannot pay you to play here at UNLV," which the kid interpreted as "get out there and play for free."

From the ESPN article -- In a statement, UNLV said Sluka's representatives made financial demands in order to continue playing that its athletic department interpreted as a violation of the NCAA pay-for-play rules and Nevada state law. "UNLV does not engage in such activities, nor does it respond to implied threats," the school said in the statement.

Who knows. Work is slow, and my mind is a little too free to wander this morning.
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You're welcome in my island. It's peaceful here.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Don’t know Nevada law or much about facts. In this day of wink-nod, it seems Nevada could have made this work if they wanted to keep Sluka.
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Read an article that explained with state law Elrod is correct about the quid pro quo aspect. But as you state how hard could it be to do a couple commercials or personal appearances to satisfy the legal parameters for renumeration? Seems to me this is a microcosm of the whole jumbled NIL mess. Everybody is so busy grabbing the moolah to notice it is hurting their standing with the public.
 
Hoops watcher said:
Read an article that explained with state law Elrod is correct about the quid pro quo aspect. But as you state how hard could it be to do a couple commercials or personal appearances to satisfy the legal parameters for renumeration? Seems to me this is a microcosm of the whole jumbled NIL mess. Everybody is so busy grabbing the moolah to notice it is hurting their standing with the public.
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Yep. I agree. It is a weird jumping through hoops to pretend it isn't "pay to play." Honestly, though, sounds like huge miscommunications and dropped balls by everyone involved. There should have been an easy solution of going to the NIL Collective, telling them "hey, I was promised this," and them saying "okay, lets shoot a ten second commercial we can put on our website, we will pay you 100k for it, then get the fuck back to practice, eh?"

I am making admittedly making assumptions, but this really does feel like the coaching staff was given compliance training that "no matter what you say, you cannot ever offer to pay a kid to play football because that would be a violation of state law for you and for the University," and when the moment came he repeated the verbiage he had been told to use. Didn't end well.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
Yep. I agree. It is a weird jumping through hoops to pretend it isn't "pay to play." Honestly, though, sounds like huge miscommunications and dropped balls by everyone involved. There should have been an easy solution of going to the NIL Collective, telling them "hey, I was promised this," and them saying "okay, lets shoot a ten second commercial we can put on our website, we will pay you 100k for it, then get the fuck back to practice, eh?"

I am making admittedly making assumptions, but this really does feel like the coaching staff was given compliance training that "no matter what you say, you cannot ever offer to pay a kid to play football because that would be a violation of state law for you and for the University," and when the moment came he repeated the verbiage he had been told to use. Didn't end well.
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Yes, Nevada is a state where money isn’t important except in gambling and hospitality and everything is done above board and legally. What Nevada said to explain is dumb, nonsensical and abrasive. I honestly they lose all the rest of their games
 
mthoopsfan said:
Yes, Nevada is a state where money isn’t important except in gambling and hospitality and everything is done above board and legally. What Nevada said to explain is dumb, nonsensical and abrasive. I honestly they lose all the rest of their games
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Touche. I read the response as a defensive press release, but you have a damn good point on the less legalistically motivated nature of Las Vegas, especially. Nevada -- "The Straight and Narrow State," as I've always called it.
 
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