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I thought so but also think the reasoning is pretty faulty. And I don't care where they play. The ACC will pretty much be irrelevant football wise if FSU, Clemson and maybe Miami leave (no 45 million for media). In the most prominent women's team sports which to me are hoop, volleyball and softball there are some top tier programs (more so basketball) in that conference but the power in women's sports is shifting to the Ad's with the most money (hello SEC and BIG). Do they have more niche stuff like water polo or beach volleyball? I also would posit that in individual sports that can lead to the Olympics (swimming, etc.) that the travel will be disruptive to training and may be a negative for recruiting.

I have to admit I'm sad seeing all the traditional rivalries and history of college athletics get thrown out the door as to me it has been what made the whole thing fun. Plus the positives of sports and competition for their own sake which I see as valuable to society seem deemphasized in a mad rush to.....somewhere.
Very much agreed on your last paragraph. Regional cohesiveness and rivalries is what I think of as making college sports special. And I don't disagree on your considerations with regards to the Olympics sports. It's far from ideal. For USC, UCLA, UO and UW it worked out a bit better, have three more regional-ish places to visit, but for Cal and Stanford it's crazy.
 
I played football at a P5 school. Did you? I currently run a successful business. So that's two strikes in one post. You're obviously too damn old and out of touch to know what goes on in the real world nowadays. And it shows in your posts on this thread.
I played, started and was all-conference on an undefeated team that was ranked no.14 at the end of the season, and was ranked as the top team in the East ahead of Penn St. I am in an athletic hall of fame (not high school). I made my school's all 50-year team. Did you start? Were you all-conference? What was your team's top ranking at the end of a season? Who many athletic hall of fames are you in?
 
Medals: I was speaking about the 2024 Olympics - I believe Stanford had the most medals and Cal #2. All time I believe Stanford is #2 and Cal #4. Feel free to disprove with links of you like - I very well could be wrong.

PAC: I said Cal and Stanford won't consider coming back. The subtext for that statement is so long as they have any other option. If you are incapable of inferring subtext, I will try to speak more simply for you, though given your line of work and decently successful career, I would think this wouldn't be an issue. IF you are discussing ONLY the situation where the ACC completely falls apart, the B1G never comes calling, etc., then YES, in that apocalyptic scenario, they would consider it.

That you are not chatting with more well-connected donors is not my problem and again, not sure why you're so worked up about it (who cares?).
Hey kid, you are flailing.

Yes, you said Stanford/Cal won't consider coming back. I said this (below) and you said I was wrong. Neither you, nor even the boards of trustees, could possibly know that at this time. Things will change over time. "If the new PAC-12 gets going, I think Stanford and Cal would look at returning."

Now, you admit that it's possible that Stanford/Cal would look at coming back under some circumstances. You just admitted my point.

I assume you are a typical phd who doesn't write English very well, and isn't precise in everyday conversation. Sorry, but I know very few phd's who are strong on English.

You weren't talking about "medals" earlier. You said "competitors". Bad English? Bad memory. Changing the goalposts. This is what you said: "Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I think at this prior Olympics Stanford and Berkeley were #1 and #2 most represented universities by the competitors." Competitors are not medals.

Some of my friends and acquaintances know the members of the Stanford board of trustees. That's who would make decisions like this. Not your young mover and shaker friends.

And you admitted that you have no special knowledge. That is your problem, not mine.

So, despite having no special knowledge on the subject, you assert that your friends know more than my "old" friends. How could you possibly know that. You don't know who I know. I don't mind arrogant people who know a lot, but I'm not much for arrogant people who act like they know more than they do. I put you in the category. Again, there is something strange about you and your supposed story.

I am not worked out about anything. I just enjoy proving youngsters like yourself wrong. A number of people in your age group think they know way more than they do. That's in my experience, and you can google for articles.
 
Vandal guy here, curious what you sheepdips think about the whole conference realignment situation. Do you seriously think Montana can hang with the big boys in FBS? Seems like you’re facing a lot of the same challenges Idaho did when we got left out in the cold after the WAC disbanded. Now, with NIL and the pay-to-play era, it feels even more unsustainable for programs without deep pockets.

I get that the Griz are dominant in FCS, but how do you plan to compete when the game is all about money and TV markets? We learned the hard way that stepping up without the resources can backfire, so I’m curious how confident you guys are that Montana could handle the jump without getting in over your heads.
 
Vandal guy here, curious what you sheepdips think about the whole conference realignment situation. Do you seriously think Montana can hang with the big boys in FBS? Seems like you’re facing a lot of the same challenges Idaho did when we got left out in the cold after the WAC disbanded. Now, with NIL and the pay-to-play era, it feels even more unsustainable for programs without deep pockets.

I get that the Griz are dominant in FCS, but how do you plan to compete when the game is all about money and TV markets? We learned the hard way that stepping up without the resources can backfire, so I’m curious how confident you guys are that Montana could handle the jump without getting in over your heads.
There’s a report suggesting that the Penile-12 is employing a strategy to dissolve the Mountain West by any means necessary. They are supposedly trying to get nine members to leave the Mountain West, whether through a Penile-12 invitation or other conference options. The departing members would then have an incentive to vote for dissolution to avoid exit fees for both themselves and the Penile-12. In the end, as always, it comes down to money.
 
Vandal guy here, curious what you sheepdips think about the whole conference realignment situation. Do you seriously think Montana can hang with the big boys in FBS? Seems like you’re facing a lot of the same challenges Idaho did when we got left out in the cold after the WAC disbanded. Now, with NIL and the pay-to-play era, it feels even more unsustainable for programs without deep pockets.

I get that the Griz are dominant in FCS, but how do you plan to compete when the game is all about money and TV markets? We learned the hard way that stepping up without the resources can backfire, so I’m curious how confident you guys are that Montana could handle the jump without getting in over your heads.
I too would like answers to your questions. Take a look at your second post too. Ha.
 
I too would like answers to your questions. Take a look at your second post too. Ha.
I feel if they can’t poach from the FCS or Texas schools, then they beg to join the pathetic-12 or conference USA. Geography dosent seem to mean much these days, but I could see Hawaii and Wyoming eating dust. Wyoming especially has a tiny market.
 
Worst case scenario the MWC will be left with 6 teams. Backfill with UTEP, NMSU and make Hawaii a full member. Then add both Montanas along with SAC, Idaho and maybe the Dakota States you have a solid Conference:

SJSU.............Wyoming
Nevada.........Montana
Sac State......MSU
Hawaii..........Air Force
Idaho............UTEP
UNM.............NMSU
*NDSU..........*SDSU

* = Football Only
 
Worst case scenario the MWC will be left with 6 teams. Backfill with UTEP, NMSU and make Hawaii a full member. Then add both Montanas along with SAC, Idaho and maybe the Dakota States you have a solid Conference:

SJSU.............Wyoming
Nevada.........Montana
Sac State......MSU
Hawaii..........Air Force
Idaho............UTEP
UNM.............NMSU
*NDSU..........*SDSU

* = Football Only
I think worst case is SJSU and Air Force are out the door as well too leaving 4 teams, one of which is Hawaii which is difficult. I see no way in which this new PAC whatever is anything more than top tier group of 5/6 though.
 
I think worst case is SJSU and Air Force are out the door as well too leaving 4 teams, one of which is Hawaii which is difficult. I see no way in which this new PAC whatever is anything more than top tier group of 5/6 though.
From my understanding they've not said anything to suggest they won't be more then a best of the rest type Conference, but with the new playoff rules would give them an advantage in getting the G5 playoff spot every year.
 
Not to break up the CalFurd talk (lol at thinking either of those schools want to rub elbows with the likes of SDSU, Boise State, and Fresno State), but this dropped today. Brings into perspective all the recent moves from the Sac State President (at least for those that were unable to connect the dots):

 
Not to break up the CalFurd talk (lol at thinking either of those schools want to rub elbows with the likes of SDSU, Boise State, and Fresno State), but this dropped today. Brings into perspective all the recent moves from the Sac State President (at least for those that were unable to connect the dots):

Would be nice if Sac State joined the MWC along with the Montana Schools, I'd personally want Idaho as well and the Dakota States but if we 3 only got the call up I wouldn't be upset
 
Would be nice if Sac State joined the MWC along with the Montana Schools, I'd personally want Idaho as well and the Dakota States but if we 3 only got the call up I wouldn't be upset
If we get in, I sure hope SJSU and Nevada are still there. Having a couple of conference mates within a couple hour bus ride would be nice after all these years flying everywhere for conference games.

davis would follow us shortly after as they wouldn't be able to stomach getting outclassed by us. That would be potentially 4 conference members within a few hundred miles of each other.
 
Again, as I said last year. There is no "up" for us to move up to. The Pac-12 and the ACC can rearrange deck chairs all they like. There are only two Div 1 football conferences the SEC and the 20 team Big 10. It doesn't matter if this year they go to 12 teams for their play-offs it will be 5 and 5 and two others for show, three years from now. 12 teams from those two divisions except they will expand it to 16 because 12 awkward.

How many teams are going to be in the G5 playoffs this year? Is it eight or twelve? ;)

Unless we try to go Big 10 or join the SEC it doesn't matter if we play in the Big Sky, Little Sky, Sunbelt or Snowbelt. Cal Davis and Eastern Washington have a chance of playing meaningful football in December, Air Force and Wyoming do not.
 
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Informative articles.

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Pac-12 sues Mountain West over ‘invalid and unenforceable’ fees​



Pac-12 files a federal lawsuit against Mountain West over $43 million in 'poaching' penalties​

The Pac-12 is suing the Mountain West over what it calls unlawful and unenforceable fees that could cost the rebuilding conference more than $40 million for adding Boise State, Fresno State, Colorado State and San Diego State​


 
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