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[HelenaHandBasket]

If the Pac-12 can get a good rebuild going, and attract some good schools, including ones like Cal/Stanford, their tv contract would be much much bigger than that. You are a small thinker. Too young to know how the world works.

They can't count on Stanford and Cal and since the AAC schools said no, it is basically schools like UTEP, New Mexico St, Tarleton St, maybe Texas St and New Mexico. What good schools do you see them adding in a year?

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

Things are changing fast in realignment. Big boys in the old Pac-12 are in fact thinking about things like this. You never played football, or presumably any sport. You certainly haven't run any business. You are too young to know what goes on in the world.

I played football at a P5 school. Did you? I currently run a successful business. So that's two strikes in one post. You're obviously too damn old and out of touch to know what goes on in the real world nowadays. And it shows in your posts on this thread.

 

[mthoopsfan]

My view is that the ACC is going to be in big turmoil soon. Two big schools looking to depart. Lunch of lunchmeat schools that don't add anything. See this blurb I saw on the internet. Not saying this will happen, but there are some interesting things to think about in the post.

"Many at Clemson seem to think they will be able to announce their departure before this football season. I wont go that far, my bet is December/January during the playoff - they announce their departure for the 2026 season.

ESPN has an option to end the media rights deal with the ACC in February of 2025, I'm guessing the Four Horsemen will announce prior to the TV renegotiation drop dead date. ESPN announces the ACC isnt worth $32 million a school without FSU and Clemson, pulls the deal. Which means the current media deal would expire in June or July? of 2027.

I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that several teams take half or third media share deals to jump off the sinking ship to the Big12 - they wont be offering full shares. It will be a rough day for Miami and Loiusville, but they will likely take a beggars deal to get into the Big12

I dont think the other schools will find a home. Notre Dame announces a scheduling alliance for the independent football program with the B1G when their other sports join in the summer of 2027.

I doubt the ACC collapses. They reload with Tulane, UConn, ECU, and USF and continue on. Not for $32 million a school. Probably $15-16?

The biggest argument against ESPN paying "more money to allow Clemson and UVA into the SEC when they already have them in the ACC" is that ESPN would be able to slash the money of 10 other programs by half or more at the same time. Saving $150-180 million a year, to pay two teams an additional $80 million a year. Even if ESPN pays a large portion of the exit fees - say $150 million - they recoup the money pretty quick, especially with a 9 or 10 conference game SEC schedule.

edit - the Pac-12 had three programs that would likely not find Power 5 homes in a collapse - Cal got lucky and were dragged along by Stanford. Thats why the Pac "collapsed". The ACC has 6-8 schools that wont find another home - enough that they should hang together in a very terrible football conference, I wouldnt be shocked to find SMU being the powerhouse of the ACC in 2028

IMHO, the ACC has far more schools in dire straits then the Pac did - Syracuse, BC, GT, VT, WF, and Pitt have no shot at finding a place in the Big12 (unless they go for free or some other odd deal) and NC State and Duke arent that far ahead of them."

 

[mthoopsfan]

"In this litigation, Clemson seeks confirmation of the plain language found in the Grant of Rights agreements and the related media agreements between the ACC and ESPN – that these agreements, when read together, plainly state that Clemson controls its media rights for games played if it is no longer a member of the ACC.
Clemson also seeks a ruling regarding the unenforceability of the severe penalty the ACC is seeking to impose upon exiting members and confirmation that it does not owe a fiduciary duty to the conference as alleged by the ACC."

Clemson Files Lawsuit against ACC

Today, Clemson University filed a lawsuit in Pickens County, South Carolina, against the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC). In this litigation, Today, Clemson University filed a lawsuit in Pickens County, South Carolina, against the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC). In this litigation, Clemson...

news.clemson.edu

 

[mthoopsfan]

"judge Perry H. Gravely granted the university's case for specific jurisdiction in Pickens County, South Carolina. This means the school's case over its grant of rights will continue because the conference, in his opinion, has had more than minimal contact in South Carolina.

"The basic crux of this case is the grant of rights, broadcasting rights," Gravely said. "Both of those are broadcasted in South Carolina. Even though it requires their cooperation with ESPN, that is still part of their agreement with the ACC."

Clemson gets a win at home in legal battles with ACC

Judge Perry H. Gravely verbally granted Clemson's case for specific jurisdiction, meaning the school's case vs the ACC in South Carolina will go on.

www.greenvilleonline.com

 

[mthoopsfan]

"Pac-12 back to SIX: are Cal & Stanford next?"

"The Pac-12 could "turn its attention to former members Cal and Stanford" after the conference announced the addition of four Mountain West teams on Thursday, Pete Nakos reported for On3."Multiple sources have told On3 it's a logical move for Cal and Stanford to join the Pac-12 if a window opens to leave the ACC," Nakos wrote.Amanda Christovich of Front Office Sports reported that Cal and Stanford could need to file lawsuits to break the ACC's grant of rights, which runs through summer 2036.Read More: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...With Boise State, San Diego State, Colorado State and Fresno State set to join the conference before the 2026 season, the Pac-12 is two programs shy of the eight-school FBS minimum.As Nakos pointed out, rejoining the Pac-12 would make sense for Cal and Stanford given their geographical proximity to teams in the Mountain and Pacific time zones."

 

[Hoops Translator]

Things are changing fast in realignment. Big boys in the old Pac-12 are in fact thinking about things like this. You never played football, or presumably any sport. You certainly haven't run any business. You are too young to know what goes on in the world.

Translation: I’m old and worn out.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I played football at a P5 school. Did you? I currently run a successful business. So that's two strikes in one post. You're obviously too damn old and out of touch to know what goes on in the real world nowadays. And it shows in your posts on this thread.

I still call BS on you. How do you spend all your years at Cal and Stanford, and now run a successful business?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Translation: I’m old and worn out.

Look at all the articles on the possibility of Cal/Stanford returning to the Pac-12. I'm young and full of energy.

 

[Hoops Translator]

Look at all the articles on the possibility of Cal/Stanford returning to the Pac-12. I'm young and full of energy.

Touché, whippersnapper. Nice reply. Touché.

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

Look at all the articles on the possibility of Cal/Stanford returning to the Pac-12. I'm young and full of energy.

Personally they are theories that make sense, however so far with Conference Realignment Common Sense doesn't exist. It's more wishful thinking then anything.

The P4 will probably never let the PAC return to Power Status due to how much more $$ they get splitting out the CFBP. Anything is possible but it is VERY unlikely

 

[mthoopsfan]

Berkley, I see that you previously said Cal/Stanford would/could return to the Pac-12 if ACC felt apart. That's essentially what I have been saying tonight. Why are saying something else now? The bottom post is your Sept. 14 post. It's nice to see you agreeing with me.

I think the door is open for Cal and Stanford to return.

They'll only do so if the ACC falls apart. They easily could have stayed with WSU and OSU, kept the PAC settlement money, and invited a few MWC schools in the first place if that was what they wanted.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Berkley, I see that you previously said Cal/Stanford would/could return to the Pac-12 if ACC felt apart. That's essentially what I have been saying tonight. Why are saying something else now? The bottom post is your Sept. 14 post. It's nice to see you agreeing with me.


They'll only do so if the ACC falls apart. They easily could have stayed with WSU and OSU, kept the PAC settlement money, and invited a few MWC schools in the first place if that was what they wanted.

This is old news, just like all the articles you keep posting. People made assumptions early when the first 4 teams agreed. No one has talked Cal/Stanford in over a week.

 

[Hoops Translator]

Look at all the articles on the possibility of Cal/Stanford returning to the Pac-12. I'm young and full of energy.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Personally they are theories that make sense, however so far with Conference Realignment Common Sneae doesn't exist. It's more wishful thinking then anything.

The P4 will probably never let the PAC return to Power Status due to how much more $$ they get splitting out the CFBP. Anything is possible but it is VERY unlikely

It would depend on what the new Pac-12 brought to the table. And probably what happens to the ACC. My view is that while tv/streaming providers don't want to pay as many schools as they are now paying, they also won't want to have too few teams. The top teams are looking at the SEC and Big 10, and I suppose those conferences may end up dumping some of their weaker teams.

Lots could happen. Lots of moving parts.

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

Berkley, I see that you previously said Cal/Stanford would/could return to the Pac-12 if ACC felt apart. That's essentially what I have been saying tonight. Why are saying something else now? The bottom post is your Sept. 14 post. It's nice to see you agreeing with me.


They'll only do so if the ACC falls apart. They easily could have stayed with WSU and OSU, kept the PAC settlement money, and invited a few MWC schools in the first place if that was what they wanted.

The ACC added Calford and SMU to ensure even if FSU and Clemson leave they will be able to backfill easily and not violate the 15 team threshold with ESPN.

USF (Tampa), Memphis, Tulane (NOLA), UTSA, Georgia State (Atlanta) etc. Would ensure the ACC wouldn't totally collapse, and with those large Markets would still beat what the PAC could offer in TV $$.

 

[mthoopsfan]

This is old news, just like all the articles you keep posting. People made assumptions early when the first 4 teams agreed. No one has talked Cal/Stanford in over a week.

Old news from less than 2 weeks ago? Things change every week. There is significant discussion about this in the Bay Area now. I was there all last week. I'm not saying anything is going to happen quickly, by the way. I'm looking down the road. I'm not talking about talking to Stanford/Cal this week.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The ACC added Calford and SMU to ensure even if FSU and Clemson leave they will be able to backfill easily and not violate the 15 team threshold with ESPN.

USF (Tampa), Memphis, Tulane (NOLA), UTSA, Georgia State (Atlanta) etc. Would ensure the ACC wouldn't totally collapse, and with those large Markets would still beat what the PAC could offer in TV $$.

If top teams in the ACC depart, the conference doesn't collapse, but the media contract does, or the new one won't be as good. That is, the money will go way down.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Old news from less than 2 weeks ago. Things change every week. There is significant discussion about this in the Bay Area now. I was there all last week. I'm not saying anything is going to happen quickly, by the way. I'm looking down the road. I'm not talking about talking to Stanford/Cal this week.

Yep, old news. People made a lot of assumptions, but there was very little concrete. Stanford and Cal might not be available for years, even with the lawsuit.

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

If top teams in the ACC depart, the conference doesn't collapse, but the media contract does, or the new one won't be as good. That is, the money will go way down.

The Contract can only be visited before 2030 if they go below 15 teams, they'd never let that happen.