UM vs. Michigan NCAA Game Thread

[Silvertip]

Tickets for just the UM game in the Griz section are $110. My son and I are going. Flights and frequent flier options were limited and expensive, to Wichita, Kansas City, Tulsa and Oklahoma City. The worst place for Missoula fans to get too, of the first round games for seeds at UM's level.

Saw online where a vendor called "VividSeats" (?) had 603 tix for the UM squared game as low as $45.00

 

[Grizzlies1982]

I have always liked Michigan's Bball teams. Typically they are fun to watch. I always pull for them to advance.

That said, I hope they lose in the first round this year.

Go Griz!

 

[Jaredkuehn]

How come the U of Washington transfer, Donaven Dorsey, is missing from the picture? Prob no real reason... He has to sit out this season due to transfer rules, right?

And what's with the 6'10" and 7'0" Freshman, are they red-shirting this year? I believe yes, but what say you? Are they any good?

We only lose 1 SR off this team for next season, granted a good one. But we may just be better in 2019.

Intuitive, welcome to the basketball board. Donavan Dorsey sat out his transfer year last season. He was slated to play this year, had a hip injury that required surgery just before the season started. I’m hoping he’ll be able to get a medical redshirt, but not sure what the news is on that.

Besovic has played mop up duty in a couple games. Typical freshman big man project.

Kramer did redshirt this year. I haven’t seen him play. So can’t speak to his potential.

Next years team will be a veteran team. The ceiling is high!

 

[GGNez]

What a difference in cultures. Michigan and their fans are already debating who they play in Round 2 while Montana fans hope to keep it close. What is it about Montana fans that they believe they are second best? UM has a solid team and knows how to play just like Michigan. I think Montana wins this.

...couldn't agree with you more...
...have a strange sense of confidence...
...to those looking past us..fcuk Michigan...

... ...

+1

We will see Round 2.

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVTHYF9XnQM[/youtube]

Michigan player are at 41 minutes, John Beilein is at 54 minutes, Montana players Fabijan Krlsovic, Ahmaad Rorie and Michael Oguine start about 1:25:00, Travis DeCuire starts at 1:41:000.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

"I'm not guaranteeing anything, I just believe" TDC

 

[CleanHOUSE]

Will be happy to give you a take on us and would appreciate it if you can give a take on yoir squad as i know little about it:

1) it is a typical John Beilein team in that we are disciplined, dont turn the ball over and don't foul much.

2) it is an atypical JB team as our defense is better than our O. Usually a JB team tries to outrun and out gun you. This one will beat you up a bit. With that said, we arent exactly a shot blocking team. What we do is keep teams from getting inside in the first place both by cuttimg off passimg lanes and the dribble drive. Not sure of the post conference tourney rankings but as of our last game we were number 5 or 6 in the country in defensive efficiency.

3) This is a very deep team who can get (lots) of points from many different guys on any given night...including guys coming off the bench (we have the Big Ten 6th Man of the year award winner in Dumcan Robinson). With that said, we dont have that one take over the game guy who on a nightly basis just beats you by himself. The two closest are Mo Wagner and and Abdur-Rahkman. Mo is a big man who is athletic and scores inside and out. The comparison the media makes is to Drik Nowitzski...partly because they are both German but also because his game is actually quite similar (a "poor man's version"). MAAR is a slasher (sg) who can get to the rim and hit timely outside shots. He led the nation in assist to turnover ratio - when he is hitting his shots it opens up the floor and thats when we go on rums because everyone starts scorimg since he will happily give up the ball to open guys.

4) Other players of note: Charles Mathews is our enigma. He is a lottery pick talent and body. However, sometimes he plays like he has never picked up a basketball in his e
life. Our pg is a true frosh named Zavier Simpson. Not a great shooter but a fantastic defender, a pretty good passer and has a knack for making plays. Livers (a true frosh) is the 5th starter and a future star but not yet. Off the bench is Ribinson who is our best shooter and can hjt from anywhere on the court. Poole is a spark plug who can take over a game (be our best player) when he is one but is a true freshman who oftern plays like one. When Teske comes in it changes the way we play (he tends to come in for Wagner who we run our O though...when Teske is in we play more on the perimeter). He is a big...well actually our biggest man who isnt quite a threat to score (besides cleaning up) but gives us a defensive presence in the middle. Simmons was a two year starter in the MAC who transfered in, expecting to start, and has accepted his role of giving us valuable minutes at the point with little letdown.

5) Weaknesses: we are a pretty bad FT team. Sometimes makes it hard to close out games amd allows teams back into games. We are long and athletic but not exactly a big team...size cam challenge us. While having a lot of guys who can put up points is a good thing...so is having that one guy who consistently takes over games. We don't have that. You will hear the media talk about how we are 3pt shooting team. That is based on legacy. This team can hit 3s but not like past teams.

Looking forward to hearimg about your team

This give me some hope to be honest! Our biggest weakness is shooting, and height. Teams try and beat us by packing the paint and just daring us to take as many 3's as we want. We were kicking the crap out of Stanford then went to final 10 min with on a few free throws lol. Also we lack height, for being a team built on D we can get burned by the 3 because while you won't get by us, some teams can just shoot over us. We also lack height down low, both our tallest guys are 6'8", but I say height because we don't lack size, our two post players make of for thier lack of height by being bowling ball thick, you can shoot over them but if your post guy is skinny you are not going to move them.
Also you said your team is very good in transition D(Or could have been a different post by Mich Fan kinda responding to a couple post from Mich peeps here), but the griz only try and run off turnovers otherwise they really have no designs on running up and down, since we can't shoot 3's we love to get the ball down low then look for a kick out and slash to rim or 15ft J if initial look isn't there.
You said your team like to force guys inside, but our PG Rorie's best shot is the mid range jumper and our SG Oguine is the best slash in the bigsky and our PF Pridgett is best on offense when he is playing a face up style of game and our two big guys only shoot when under the basket so you won't need to convinces not to run in transition and take 3pt shots.
We might actually match up ok with you guys it seems, but usually it teams that can shoot that can pull off upsets because that can neutralize the size difference, but Moorhead is probably our only guy that could shoot around the arc in practice and hit 15 3's in a row lol.

Our Rotation
PG-Rorie = Super steady bit undersized loves pull J from inside the arc, never gets in foul trouble, rattles every FT but somehow shoot 93%, solid driver, great stamina will play 40min without gettting tired. Is good for about 15pts against anyone, but also not a great shooter so while he's steady he not going to explode for 38pts either. Yeah he's steady not great 3pt shooter but expect about 1of3 to go in.

SG-Oguine = Kinda like our Christian McCaffery just does it all. Really smooth to the hoop easily the best driver of anyone he has been on the court with this year. Great jumper so he loves to hunt rebounds. Not a great shooter, but he can get on a streak, unlike Rorie when he's shooting from 3pt you expect him to go 1-5 or 4-5. While not a great 3pt guy he has improved a lot and likes taking them so he's either going all the way to rim or taking a 3pt....or getting about 10pts of put backs each game lol! BigSky D player of the year although frequently he wont guard really quick type scorers, not that he can't but I think we can't afford to have him in foul trouble so he usually tries to lock down the less athletic scoring option or the guy who plays off the ball.

PF-Moorhead and Pridgett = Moorhead is glue guy who is prone to being up and down can shoot the 3 some nights but can also turn it over and dribble into trouble a lot...he's mainly good on D where his 6'7" can be tough on guards that want to shoot the 3 ball. Pridg is a Pac12 talent who loves to play a face up game and rebound, really strong and under control around the rim

C- Akoh and Kriz = both 6'8" bowling balls that are fundamentally sound, can miss some easy post shots at times cause not terribly skilled and lack touch, but both much improved and by the end of the year really steady. Both pretty ground bound so wont block your shot, instead use weight to keep arms up and don't get moved off spot...we've had some 7fters just shoot over them if they are skilled, but if they are skinny they are going to have a tough time getting close enough to the hoop. These guys love to pass between each other. Both guys you are happy to see go to line, not great but not sad they didn't just get the bucket instead.

Bench guys.
Nicholas = 6'9" Fr C who is most athletic and gifted low post guy we got, just this team demands you play unfaltering D and he picks up a lot of Fr fouls so he tends to see limited minutes if our upperclassmen aren't in foul trouble...also like literally 12/36 from FT line!

Timmy Falls = pretty weak and can be over powered out there at times, but he plays with a lot of energy and confidence (tries to make every pass a highlight to often) and he's got good hops, more often a positive impact or neutral when he comes in.

Team
Love to play slow half court game and work ball low or slash to rim or slash for pull up 15footers. All 8 guys in our rotation can be 15pt guys, nobody that's going to go off for 40 but with this team you are never wishing that the starters come back in because they all have upside to be the guy that day scoring wise.
On D love to extend pressure and double off ball screens and force turnovers, you can shoot over guys but won't get around them and wont get alot of offensive boards

First off, thanks for the detailed breakdown on your team...very informative. Next, just want to clarify a few things:

1) not sure where i gave the impression we let teams get inside because it is the exact opposite. One of the things this team does best is cut off guys driving and passing lanes in the paint. I was more referring to teams that have multiple legit post scorers. If you can get the ball down low we arent that good at stopping bigger guys.

2) But this doesnt seem like what teams tried to do to you as we dont concede the thtee either and have a lot of lenght ro combat it. It's almost like our coaches have followed current trends in basketball and challenging teams to beat us with a mid-range game...something you seem to indicate you have some guys who can consistently hit those shots...kind of a dying art in BB and a plus for you.

3) a lot of people (including us michigan guys) keep refering to our "skinny" guy in the middle. Wagner is not your traditional big post player but make no mistake...he will be playing in the NBA and is big enough for that. He is more of a high post player and a lot of our O runs through him. He is big enough, but more importantly quick and long enough to take one dribble (from the high post) and be at the rim. This is where size and height matter...if you have a second guy to slide over and challenge him at the rim it can give him trouble.

4) Building off 3...surprisingly Michigan tends to outscore a lot of teams in the paint that on paper we shouldn't. The game we play is that if you try to shut down Wagner's path to the basket we pop him to the outside where he is more than capable of nailing the three...if you have a shorter guy on him he shoots over them but the real goal is to get your bigs to chase him while we slide one of our bigger wings (big for the position) inside for hopefully an easy 2 over a smaller guy. If you guys are able to recognize the movements and make proper switches it could be a key for you.

5) interesting comment you made about us not being able to get by you. We'll see i guess but it is something we do very well and have been able to do against teams with multiple MacDonald's All Americans and future NBA players. Its less about iso play and more about quick ball movement and attacking the lane when defendera are moving.

Thanks for the detailed reply, I think I may have mixed together a few post from Mich fans in here so may have replied to some stuff you didn't say, but looking at everything Im pretty certain because of the way we have fought in literally every game we have played, including off nights and against teams on the road who had the crowd and most impressively even in games that were grinding and unlucky and that we didn't really need!...this team never once stopped grinding, been down big but still manged to to be within 4 points with under 4min to go in EVERY loss this year....So I think it safe to say that tomorrow we will be into to the final 4min within 4-6 pts and at that point there's a chance for anything! Anyways good luck tomorrow may you be haunted by the ghost of App State haha but really thanks for the good engaging posts Merry March Madness!

 

[cmtgrizzly]

"I'm not guaranteeing anything, I just believe" TDC

Love TD. Not intimidated, smart, well spoken. Excellent leader for our team.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

"I'm not guaranteeing anything, I just believe" TDC

Love TD. Not intimidated, smart, well spoken. Excellent leader for our team.

TDC ends every interview with the same phrase - Go Griz

 

[PeauxRouge]

We know how good you are, Griz! Now go show the rest of the world what you can do!

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

DeCuire remembers upset bid against Florida State as 14-seed in 1992
https://skylinesportsmt.com/decuire-remembers-upset-bid-against-florida-state-as-14-seed-in-1992/

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

How come the U of Washington transfer, Donaven Dorsey, is missing from the picture? Prob no real reason... He has to sit out this season due to transfer rules, right?

And what's with the 6'10" and 7'0" Freshman, are they red-shirting this year? I believe yes, but what say you? Are they any good?

We only lose 1 SR off this team for next season, granted a good one. But we may just be better in 2019.

Intuitive, welcome to the basketball board. Donavan Dorsey sat out his transfer year last season. He was slated to play this year, had a hip injury that required surgery just before the season started. I’m hoping he’ll be able to get a medical redshirt, but not sure what the news is on that.

Besovic has played mop up duty in a couple games. Typical freshman big man project.

Kramer did redshirt this year. I haven’t seen him play. So can’t speak to his potential.

Next years team will be a veteran team. The ceiling is high!

Jared - Thank you for the welcome and informative/great response. Especially about Dorsey and Besovic.

Question for Egriz: I am wondering if TD will insert Besovic against Michigan at all, to counteract their 7 footer?

Can't wait for tonight's TIP-OFF!!!

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

This is the way college athletics should be, FUN:
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[Jaredkuehn]

How come the U of Washington transfer, Donaven Dorsey, is missing from the picture? Prob no real reason... He has to sit out this season due to transfer rules, right?

And what's with the 6'10" and 7'0" Freshman, are they red-shirting this year? I believe yes, but what say you? Are they any good?

We only lose 1 SR off this team for next season, granted a good one. But we may just be better in 2019.

Intuitive, welcome to the basketball board. Donavan Dorsey sat out his transfer year last season. He was slated to play this year, had a hip injury that required surgery just before the season started. I’m hoping he’ll be able to get a medical redshirt, but not sure what the news is on that.

Besovic has played mop up duty in a couple games. Typical freshman big man project.

Kramer did redshirt this year. I haven’t seen him play. So can’t speak to his potential.

Next years team will be a veteran team. The ceiling is high!

Jared - Thank you for the welcome and informative/great response. Especially about Dorsey and Besovic.

Question for Egriz: I am wondering if TD will insert Besovic against Michigan at all, to counteract their 7 footer?

Can't wait for tonight's TIP-OFF!!!

I can almost guarantee we won't see Besovic tonight unless its a blowout. From what I understand of Wagner, he would run circles around Besovic. Nothing against our guys, Wagner is just not a traditional 7 foot post match up. I suspect Fab and Akoh will have their hands full, but are both fairly athletic, so hopefully can step out and challenge him on the perimeter. I could even see Morehead with his length being used to guard him or double up on him.

I could see Karl Nicolas playing a little bit if there is a favorable matchup, but limited minutes at best. I think we'll mostly see the same 7 man roster that we saw in the BSC tournament. Any adjustments are likely to come in the form of different matchups among those 7 or maybe 8 guys.

 

[zengriz]

...see you guys right here...
...right after happy hour...
...get ready to rumble...

... :beer2: ...

 

[zengriz]

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[NorthEndZoneDan]

Lets start this party! #GoGriz

 

[FormerEag]

A lot of confidence on this board! Good luck, I hope the grizz advance to the next round in the tourney and that the football team has a terrible season!

 

[zengriz]

A lot of confidence on this board! Good luck, I hope the grizz advance to the next round in the tourney and that the football team has a terrible season!

...thanks formerbeagle and fcukya...

... :lol: ...

 

[Ursa Major]

Go Griz!