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[grizpsych]

Interesting, did this hurt to write? I mean cognitively, you put some serious effort in here to lie to yourself.

I stand in amazement of your control of the facts to refute the argument. But, that is because you are obviously trained in the "soft" sciences.

Ad hominem is your route huh? So, when you watch the t.v and you see the people in masks wearing black, covered in anarchy signs and hold banners with anarchist symbols, you think they are democrats/liberal. Seriously? Antifa literally means anti-fascist. This used to be a good philosophy to have in this country.

And sure, in the 1860s Democrats were conservative and a Democrat started the KKK. That doesn't change the fact that literally ever major KKK, nationalist, and neo-Nazi party today has repeatedly endorsed republicans and Donald Trump. This is where I find your effort to be incredible. You seem to discount the reality where these groups were just carrying torches and chanting white supremacist mantras.

Okay, I'll admit it was a cheap shot, sort of in retaliation for your attempt on me to guess why I wrote that the Democrats and the Republicans have not switched philosophies.

As to the Antifa, is no one else amused by the irony of a group of people using fascist tactics to complain about fascism? Black shirts were started by Mussolini, the original successful fascist. The term itself refers back to the bundle of sticks with an axe that was the symbol of Roman authority. I am whole heartedly against fascism, which is why I am opposed to the Antifa. Their rationalization that they can use physical violence to silence those they disagree with is not antifascistic. It is fascism embodied.

As to the Democrat/liberal dichotomy, even you would have to agree that they have moved so far left they have caught up with the fascist side of their version of socialism. They are actually calling for the suppression of what they deem as hate speech. The problem is that the term can be widely interpreted to the point of absurdity. Don't like Nazi speech, well shut it down, right? But I don't like burning the American flag. The flag that draped the coffins of my brothers and sisters of arms when they are returned from battle. Burning that flag aggravates me to the point that I just want to kick their asses. Is that agreeable to you as well?

In fact, Democrats seem to have abandoned any concern for the Constitution in their current Cultural Revolution. I could have fit in just fine as a Democrat when JFK said "bear any burden, pay any price in the defense of liberty" or "ask not what your country can do for you, , , ,." Or MLK's wish that someday his children will be judged for the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

Today's Democrats would consider those to be far right extremism. So no, the parties didn't switch philosophies, the Democrats ran as far to the Left as they could, and jumped off, all the while feeling good about themselves.

To note, I was never in this conversation to change your mind. That's not possible. Rather, I wanted to know how you made yourself okay with being on the same side as these unarguable fascist hate groups--how you are okay with enabling them. And, I found out. Thanks.

You are the master of logical fallacies--not once ever directly answering my original or followup questions. Rather, you most often use the logical fallacy of tu quoque. And, in doing so, you really did answer my original question. Your mental gymnastics isn't effortful, it's based on heuristics.

 

[Fat Bruno]

So what do these have to do with him being president? List everyone's failures on here if you are going to do this...Many people learn an awful lot from failing.

Are you trying for prizes as the biggest simpleton on the innerwebs?

List your girl Nancy Pelosi accomplishments or better yet, her failures before she was elected and then after. I'd like to see you use the same objectiveness.

Pointing your finger like a two year old, again? What the Hell has Pelosi got to do with anything? I will tell you that she does not have forty years of major scandals and corruption behind her ... not that that has any relevance.

 

[Fat Bruno]

Wun reads these guys for the same reason you watch a train wreck ... it's the mass of damaged minds like this that's put us on the brink of destruction. The Dems have moved so far to the middle on everything but cultural issues that they're a joke to liberals, yet these dingalings imagine they've gone full commie!! Right wing violence has been outstripping antifa or liberal violence in general a hundred to one in recent years and they've been running up the score bigtime the last few days.

White racists and feceists ... most notably the turd reich and the lynching fanatics in our own south have a monstrous record of mass murder and treason to the point of waging war against their own nation. To whine about some flag burner and compare him to the wavers of the traitorous Confederate flag is a joke so vile as to make one sick ... and more and more decent people -- including more and more sane Republicans are making their feelings clear on that.

As for the cultural issues, anyone still whining about gays, transgenders and others is not someone whose concerns are worthy of our concern. But, when it comes down to it, these are really the issues which motivate these low life bigots and defectives. The more we shove their evil back in their faces on those matters, the better for every decent person in this country and for our future. Even the children of these bigots reject their spawner's views and their evil will die out to considerable extent as they do. They try to dress their baseness and inferiority up in ideological regalia but the fetid nature of these rags is more and more obvious and on display. The revulsion of the nation has been aroused and we are seeing a long overdue reaction to these sick dogs from both the respectable right and the left that is most promising.

 

[fencer24]

I stand in amazement of your control of the facts to refute the argument. But, that is because you are obviously trained in the "soft" sciences.

Ad hominem is your route huh? So, when you watch the t.v and you see the people in masks wearing black, covered in anarchy signs and hold banners with anarchist symbols, you think they are democrats/liberal. Seriously? Antifa literally means anti-fascist. This used to be a good philosophy to have in this country.

And sure, in the 1860s Democrats were conservative and a Democrat started the KKK. That doesn't change the fact that literally ever major KKK, nationalist, and neo-Nazi party today has repeatedly endorsed republicans and Donald Trump. This is where I find your effort to be incredible. You seem to discount the reality where these groups were just carrying torches and chanting white supremacist mantras.

Okay, I'll admit it was a cheap shot, sort of in retaliation for your attempt on me to guess why I wrote that the Democrats and the Republicans have not switched philosophies.

As to the Antifa, is no one else amused by the irony of a group of people using fascist tactics to complain about fascism? Black shirts were started by Mussolini, the original successful fascist. The term itself refers back to the bundle of sticks with an axe that was the symbol of Roman authority. I am whole heartedly against fascism, which is why I am opposed to the Antifa. Their rationalization that they can use physical violence to silence those they disagree with is not antifascistic. It is fascism embodied.

As to the Democrat/liberal dichotomy, even you would have to agree that they have moved so far left they have caught up with the fascist side of their version of socialism. They are actually calling for the suppression of what they deem as hate speech. The problem is that the term can be widely interpreted to the point of absurdity. Don't like Nazi speech, well shut it down, right? But I don't like burning the American flag. The flag that draped the coffins of my brothers and sisters of arms when they are returned from battle. Burning that flag aggravates me to the point that I just want to kick their asses. Is that agreeable to you as well?

In fact, Democrats seem to have abandoned any concern for the Constitution in their current Cultural Revolution. I could have fit in just fine as a Democrat when JFK said "bear any burden, pay any price in the defense of liberty" or "ask not what your country can do for you, , , ,." Or MLK's wish that someday his children will be judged for the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

Today's Democrats would consider those to be far right extremism. So no, the parties didn't switch philosophies, the Democrats ran as far to the Left as they could, and jumped off, all the while feeling good about themselves.

To note, I was never in this conversation to change your mind. That's not possible. Rather, I wanted to know how you made yourself okay with being on the same side as these unarguable fascist hate groups--how you are okay with enabling them. And, I found out. Thanks.

You are the master of logical fallacies--not once ever directly answering my original or followup questions. Rather, you most often use the logical fallacy of tu quoque. And, in doing so, you really did answer my original question. Your mental gymnastics isn't effortful, it's based on heuristics.

Why is it such a Manichean world for you? I do not, and never have supported Nazis, white nationalists or their counterparts on the Left. I do believe that the white nationalists should be exposed for the extreme minority that they are. At the moment though, they are being used and willingly so, as a focus for the national debate on race relations. The MSM gets to tell us about the bogeyman, and the bogeyman gets attention all out of proportion to his actual real effect.
In a country of nearly 325 million, having 50,000 nazis is but a drop in the bucket. It leaves 324.95 million who are not Nazis.
The problem is that when we attempt to shut them up, they grow in stature that is greater than they are. Free speech means that "hate speech" needs to be met with more and better speech. Not silencing. Silencing invites those who desire to do that which is forbidden, simply because it is forbidden.
But you were the one who made the assertion that the parties had switched philosophies. That is wrong. Your curious attempt to distract from being wrong doesn't change the fact that your statement is wrong. The Democrats are not what the Republicans were at the time of the Civil War, nor are the Republicans what the Democrats were.
You can try to fool yourself, and do so quite successfully it appears, but that doesn't change reality.

 

[Fat Bruno]

Your contention about the parties and their relation to race is so blindly stupid that it can only come from abject dishonesty. Do you ever wonder why the South suddenly went from solid Dem to solid GOOP after LBJ and the civil rights movement? Do you ever wonder why every slimy, racist swine is a GOPig? I think you're one of those closet racists who's just barely smart enough to know how indecent you are and who likes to stay hidden in there amongst the nasty rags you wear until you have to come out into the light of day. Vile as they may be, I certainly prefer an honest bigot pig to creatures like you.

And, all this whining about the poor Nazi's free speech ... really? No one is saying they don't have the legal right to proclaim their beliefs. On the other hand, they can expect people to react to their self avowed evil as decent people will. You don't go out into society, march and boast that you're in favor of establishing a racist, murdering regime and expect people not to react accordingly.

 

[grizpsych]

Your contention about the parties and their relation to race is so blindly stupid that it can only come from abject dishonesty. Do you ever wonder why the South suddenly went from solid Dem to solid GOOP after LBJ and the civil rights movement? Do you ever wonder why every slimy, racist swine is a GOPig? I think you're one of those closet racists who's just barely smart enough to know how indecent you are and who likes to stay hidden in there amongst the nasty rags you wear until you have to come out into the light of day. Vile as they may be, I certainly prefer an honest bigot pig to creatures like you.

And, all this whining about the poor Nazi's free speech ... really? No one is saying they don't have the legal right to proclaim their beliefs. On the other hand, they can expect people to react to their self avowed evil as decent people will. You don't go out into society, march and boast that you're in favor of establishing a racist, murdering regime and expect people not to react accordingly.

For reply.

Obviously not. Fencer's predominantly a top-down thinker--relying primarily on preconceived beliefs to shape his/her perception of current information. Regardless of the accuracy of those preconceived beliefs and how much evidence there is against those beliefs.

I mean seriously, although I repeatedly pointed to the logical fallacies fencer uses in arguments, his/her last post to me still opens with an ad hominem attack. So again fencer, if you read this response, I'm happy to address the issues you raised, but only after you critically evaluate your position towards Trump and Republicans, that is in line with white supremacists. You literally and repeatedly argued their position. Why? So far, all I've understood from you is that they have first amendment rights.

 

[Fat Bruno]

Well, at least it appears that Zinke brought a daughter into the world who partially
balances his own worthless presence ... a beautiful statement:

This will greatly endear Zinke to Dumbf ...

Zinke's veteran daughter excoriates Trump in response to transgender military ban

The daughter of Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, like her father a Navy veteran, appears, in the rawest of terms, to have excoriated President Donald Trump in a social media post after the announcement that transgender soldiers would be banned from the military.

“This man is a disgrace. I've tried to keep politics out of my social media feed as much as possible, but this is inexcusable,” read a July 26 public Instagram post from what appears to be the account of Jennifer Detlefsen, the Navy diver daughter Zinke frequently mentioned in his successful 2016 re-election campaign for the U.S. House. Shortly after the election, Trump chose Zinke to lead the U.S. Department of the Interior.

“This veteran says sit down and shut the (expletive) up, you know-nothing, never-served piece of (expletive).” She also used a hashtag, #itmfa, that is an acronym for “impeach the (expletive) already.”

 

[Fat Bruno]

Fencer's predominantly a top-down thinker ...

Yes, and a man of great complexity and boundless paradox ... he scoops his "ideas" up from the bottom of the bilge sump, then hauls them heroically upward to the top of his dung heap and uses them to "think" -- after a fashion -- from the top down.

 

[fencer24]

Your contention about the parties and their relation to race is so blindly stupid that it can only come from abject dishonesty. Do you ever wonder why the South suddenly went from solid Dem to solid GOOP after LBJ and the civil rights movement? Do you ever wonder why every slimy, racist swine is a GOPig? I think you're one of those closet racists who's just barely smart enough to know how indecent you are and who likes to stay hidden in there amongst the nasty rags you wear until you have to come out into the light of day. Vile as they may be, I certainly prefer an honest bigot pig to creatures like you.

And, all this whining about the poor Nazi's free speech ... really? No one is saying they don't have the legal right to proclaim their beliefs. On the other hand, they can expect people to react to their self avowed evil as decent people will. You don't go out into society, march and boast that you're in favor of establishing a racist, murdering regime and expect people not to react accordingly.

For reply.

Obviously not. Fencer's predominantly a top-down thinker--relying primarily on preconceived beliefs to shape his/her perception of current information. Regardless of the accuracy of those preconceived beliefs and how much evidence there is against those beliefs.

I mean seriously, although I repeatedly pointed to the logical fallacies fencer uses in arguments, his/her last post to me still opens with an ad hominem attack. So again fencer, if you read this response, I'm happy to address the issues you raised, but only after you critically evaluate your position towards Trump and Republicans, that is in line with white supremacists. You literally and repeatedly argued their position. Why? So far, all I've understood from you is that they have first amendment rights.

Saying you have pointed out logical fallacies is not the same as doing it. Yes, I did use a tu quoque argument that there is no difference between the Antifa and the Nazis, in that they are both willing to use violent force. There are no logical errors in that either though.
As to the rest of your argument, it seems to consist solely of GOP = Nazis, and Nazis = GOP. Are you really that stupid, or are you just trolling?
In a way, I can understand why someone young would fall for that crap. To the MSM, every GOP candidate has been a Nazi since Ike. That doesn't mean it's so. It's just effective with muddled minds such as you seem to be. Do you even know a Republican? If you have a job, I'll bet you do. If you only work for the government, then probably not.
And if you can't seem to understand that using violence to suppress speech is antithetical to the Constitution, then you are right. There may be no further point to a discussion.

 

[fencer24]

Your contention about the parties and their relation to race is so blindly stupid that it can only come from abject dishonesty. Do you ever wonder why the South suddenly went from solid Dem to solid GOOP after LBJ and the civil rights movement? Do you ever wonder why every slimy, racist swine is a GOPig? I think you're one of those closet racists who's just barely smart enough to know how indecent you are and who likes to stay hidden in there amongst the nasty rags you wear until you have to come out into the light of day. Vile as they may be, I certainly prefer an honest bigot pig to creatures like you.

And, all this whining about the poor Nazi's free speech ... really? No one is saying they don't have the legal right to proclaim their beliefs. On the other hand, they can expect people to react to their self avowed evil as decent people will. You don't go out into society, march and boast that you're in favor of establishing a racist, murdering regime and expect people not to react accordingly.

Damn, but you are funny. I bet you are the closet racist you fear, aren't you.

 

[grizpsych]

Your contention about the parties and their relation to race is so blindly stupid that it can only come from abject dishonesty. Do you ever wonder why the South suddenly went from solid Dem to solid GOOP after LBJ and the civil rights movement? Do you ever wonder why every slimy, racist swine is a GOPig? I think you're one of those closet racists who's just barely smart enough to know how indecent you are and who likes to stay hidden in there amongst the nasty rags you wear until you have to come out into the light of day. Vile as they may be, I certainly prefer an honest bigot pig to creatures like you.

And, all this whining about the poor Nazi's free speech ... really? No one is saying they don't have the legal right to proclaim their beliefs. On the other hand, they can expect people to react to their self avowed evil as decent people will. You don't go out into society, march and boast that you're in favor of establishing a racist, murdering regime and expect people not to react accordingly.

For reply.

Obviously not. Fencer's predominantly a top-down thinker--relying primarily on preconceived beliefs to shape his/her perception of current information. Regardless of the accuracy of those preconceived beliefs and how much evidence there is against those beliefs.

I mean seriously, although I repeatedly pointed to the logical fallacies fencer uses in arguments, his/her last post to me still opens with an ad hominem attack. So again fencer, if you read this response, I'm happy to address the issues you raised, but only after you critically evaluate your position towards Trump and Republicans, that is in line with white supremacists. You literally and repeatedly argued their position. Why? So far, all I've understood from you is that they have first amendment rights.

Saying you have pointed out logical fallacies is not the same as doing it. Yes, I did use a tu quoque argument that there is no difference between the Antifa and the Nazis, in that they are both willing to use violent force. There are no logical errors in that either though.
As to the rest of your argument, it seems to consist solely of GOP = Nazis, and Nazis = GOP. Are you really that stupid, or are you just trolling?
In a way, I can understand why someone young would fall for that crap. To the MSM, every GOP candidate has been a Nazi since Ike. That doesn't mean it's so. It's just effective with muddled minds such as you seem to be. Do you even know a Republican? If you have a job, I'll bet you do. If you only work for the government, then probably not.
And if you can't seem to understand that using violence to suppress speech is antithetical to the Constitution, then you are right. There may be no further point to a discussion.

Ad hominem is also a logically fallacy, like the example you have given in this last post and all other posts. Regarding your post here, I again defer until you critically evaluate the question(s) I originally asked.

Do I know a Republican? Lol, how deep and insightful.

 

[Fat Bruno]

Your contention about the parties and their relation to race is so blindly stupid that it can only come from abject dishonesty. Do you ever wonder why the South suddenly went from solid Dem to solid GOOP after LBJ and the civil rights movement? Do you ever wonder why every slimy, racist swine is a GOPig? I think you're one of those closet racists who's just barely smart enough to know how indecent you are and who likes to stay hidden in there amongst the nasty rags you wear until you have to come out into the light of day. Vile as they may be, I certainly prefer an honest bigot pig to creatures like you.

And, all this whining about the poor Nazi's free speech ... really? No one is saying they don't have the legal right to proclaim their beliefs. On the other hand, they can expect people to react to their self avowed evil as decent people will. You don't go out into society, march and boast that you're in favor of establishing a racist, murdering regime and expect people not to react accordingly.

Damn, but you are funny. I bet you are the closet racist you fear, aren't you.

Duh ... yeah, that makes sense. Do you ever have anything but inane non sequiturs?

 

[Fat Bruno]

Trump is busy of late nailing down his support from the lowest cretins in America with his pardon of Arpaio and his ass kissing of "Sheriff," Uncle Tom, Clarke. It’s clear that Making America Racist Again is his most cherished policy. And, he’s doing it in time honored fashion: by making himself the slimiest, most rancid piece of rotten meat in America, he aims to attract the most shit flies to his rotting corpus.

 

[fencer24]

Your contention about the parties and their relation to race is so blindly stupid that it can only come from abject dishonesty. Do you ever wonder why the South suddenly went from solid Dem to solid GOOP after LBJ and the civil rights movement? Do you ever wonder why every slimy, racist swine is a GOPig? I think you're one of those closet racists who's just barely smart enough to know how indecent you are and who likes to stay hidden in there amongst the nasty rags you wear until you have to come out into the light of day. Vile as they may be, I certainly prefer an honest bigot pig to creatures like you.

And, all this whining about the poor Nazi's free speech ... really? No one is saying they don't have the legal right to proclaim their beliefs. On the other hand, they can expect people to react to their self avowed evil as decent people will. You don't go out into society, march and boast that you're in favor of establishing a racist, murdering regime and expect people not to react accordingly.

For reply.

Obviously not. Fencer's predominantly a top-down thinker--relying primarily on preconceived beliefs to shape his/her perception of current information. Regardless of the accuracy of those preconceived beliefs and how much evidence there is against those beliefs.

I mean seriously, although I repeatedly pointed to the logical fallacies fencer uses in arguments, his/her last post to me still opens with an ad hominem attack. So again fencer, if you read this response, I'm happy to address the issues you raised, but only after you critically evaluate your position towards Trump and Republicans, that is in line with white supremacists. You literally and repeatedly argued their position. Why? So far, all I've understood from you is that they have first amendment rights.

Saying you have pointed out logical fallacies is not the same as doing it. Yes, I did use a tu quoque argument that there is no difference between the Antifa and the Nazis, in that they are both willing to use violent force. There are no logical errors in that either though.
As to the rest of your argument, it seems to consist solely of GOP = Nazis, and Nazis = GOP. Are you really that stupid, or are you just trolling?
In a way, I can understand why someone young would fall for that crap. To the MSM, every GOP candidate has been a Nazi since Ike. That doesn't mean it's so. It's just effective with muddled minds such as you seem to be. Do you even know a Republican? If you have a job, I'll bet you do. If you only work for the government, then probably not.
And if you can't seem to understand that using violence to suppress speech is antithetical to the Constitution, then you are right. There may be no further point to a discussion.

Ad hominem is also a logically fallacy, like the example you have given in this last post and all other posts. Regarding your post here, I again defer until you critically evaluate the question(s) I originally asked.

Do I know a Republican? Lol, how deep and insightful.

You don't understand your argument, but I do. First, America is not the most racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. etc. nation in the world. But that is the fallacy you are operating under, and the reason for the error in your thinking. You have been taught that as a means of thought control. As in you have no thoughts.
Do I believe that racism exists? Sure, but not the way that you do. When someone says that blacks or other minorities cannot be racist, well, that's racist. Ascribing a characteristic of someone based on their skin color is the definition of racist. And you and Bruno are both racists.

What, you say? How can you be racists, since you belong to all the right thinking groups? Well you are, and here is a simple and quick test for you -- Do you believe that Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice or Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina are authentically black? You know you don't. Because you believe that everyone of a minority must think and act the same and have the same goals and agendas.
You make absolutely no allowances for the individual. And that is why your racism is the most hateful of all.

 

[Fat Bruno]

Another wave of top State Department officials quit this week in ‘Black Friday’ mass resignation

More top-tier officials left the U.S. Department of State on Friday in a quiet group resignation, according to a Foreign Policy magazine report published on Sunday.

C'mon ... just a pack of leftists ... like all those CEOs who jilted him.

Trump doan be needin no hep with forn polsie. Meanwhile, he is also handling the hurricane with well placed and powerful tweets plunging straight into the eye of the storm. How long does the country put up with this piece of garbage?

 

[grizpsych]

Obviously not. Fencer's predominantly a top-down thinker--relying primarily on preconceived beliefs to shape his/her perception of current information. Regardless of the accuracy of those preconceived beliefs and how much evidence there is against those beliefs.

I mean seriously, although I repeatedly pointed to the logical fallacies fencer uses in arguments, his/her last post to me still opens with an ad hominem attack. So again fencer, if you read this response, I'm happy to address the issues you raised, but only after you critically evaluate your position towards Trump and Republicans, that is in line with white supremacists. You literally and repeatedly argued their position. Why? So far, all I've understood from you is that they have first amendment rights.

Saying you have pointed out logical fallacies is not the same as doing it. Yes, I did use a tu quoque argument that there is no difference between the Antifa and the Nazis, in that they are both willing to use violent force. There are no logical errors in that either though.
As to the rest of your argument, it seems to consist solely of GOP = Nazis, and Nazis = GOP. Are you really that stupid, or are you just trolling?
In a way, I can understand why someone young would fall for that crap. To the MSM, every GOP candidate has been a Nazi since Ike. That doesn't mean it's so. It's just effective with muddled minds such as you seem to be. Do you even know a Republican? If you have a job, I'll bet you do. If you only work for the government, then probably not.
And if you can't seem to understand that using violence to suppress speech is antithetical to the Constitution, then you are right. There may be no further point to a discussion.

Ad hominem is also a logically fallacy, like the example you have given in this last post and all other posts. Regarding your post here, I again defer until you critically evaluate the question(s) I originally asked.

Do I know a Republican? Lol, how deep and insightful.

You don't understand your argument, but I do. First, America is not the most racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. etc. nation in the world. But that is the fallacy you are operating under, and the reason for the error in your thinking. You have been taught that as a means of thought control. As in you have no thoughts.
Do I believe that racism exists? Sure, but not the way that you do. When someone says that blacks or other minorities cannot be racist, well, that's racist. Ascribing a characteristic of someone based on their skin color is the definition of racist. And you and Bruno are both racists.

What, you say? How can you be racists, since you belong to all the right thinking groups? Well you are, and here is a simple and quick test for you -- Do you believe that Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice or Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina are authentically black? You know you don't. Because you believe that everyone of a minority must think and act the same and have the same goals and agendas.
You make absolutely no allowances for the individual. And that is why your racism is the most hateful of all.

Wow. What? I mean, I won't respond to this because it is yet another ad hominem and tu quoque response to my question. Indeed, I don't have an argument, I have a question you won't answer for some odd reason. But, I will note that you actually wrote "authentically black". My goodness, as if there is such a thing. LOL!

To make this clear my question yet again, how are you okay with being on the same side as white supremacists, Nazis, the KKK, etc.? Just answer or don't. But, please stop with all of the whataboutisms, tu quoque, ad hominem, and about 5 other false arguments. I won't play that.

 

[fencer24]

Wow. What? I mean, I won't respond to this because it is yet another ad hominem and tu quoque response to my question. Indeed, I don't have an argument, I have a question you won't answer for some odd reason. But, I will note that you actually wrote "authentically black". My goodness, as if there is such a thing. LOL!

To make this clear my question yet again, how are you okay with being on the same side as white supremacists, Nazis, the KKK, etc.? Just answer or don't. But, please stop with all of the whataboutisms, tu quoque, ad hominem, and about 5 other false arguments. I won't play that.

First off, you don't understand ad hominem. Ad Hominem is when you say that something cannot be true because it came from one person who is wrong. As an example: Psych doesn't know how to use logical fallacies, therefore everything he says is wrong. Tu quoque, or "you did it too", is also not applicable, unless you are a member of Antifa. In which case I say that Antifa and the Nazis are just opposite side of the same coin and otherwise indestinguishable. Both are willing to use violence to shut people up.
Second, your reliance on buzzwords is further evidence that you have a poor education. For Pete's sake man, did you look up the meaning of the word heuristics before you used it? I didn't think so.
Third, the people I listed above have all been denigrated by the Libtard Left as not being authentically black. I thought you were up on all the buzzwords, but you must have skipped that day.
As to your question, I have already answered it every which way that can be answered. I do not agree with Nazis, KKK, white supremacists, Antifa, socialists, social justice crybullies, and am not on any of their sides. Why on earth would you even say something so stupid?
So far, you have posited a false hypothesis, stated something stupid that the parties had switched philosophies, that all Republicans must like Nazis, and used buzz words you don't understand. I can see why the state of education is so abysmal if you are a graduate. But you haven't addressed the questions that I proposed: Are you willing to destroy the Constitutional rights for some that you don't like?
Because if you are, yours will be the next to go.

 

[grizpsych]

Wow. What? I mean, I won't respond to this because it is yet another ad hominem and tu quoque response to my question. Indeed, I don't have an argument, I have a question you won't answer for some odd reason. But, I will note that you actually wrote "authentically black". My goodness, as if there is such a thing. LOL!

To make this clear my question yet again, how are you okay with being on the same side as white supremacists, Nazis, the KKK, etc.? Just answer or don't. But, please stop with all of the whataboutisms, tu quoque, ad hominem, and about 5 other false arguments. I won't play that.

First off, you don't understand ad hominem. Ad Hominem is when you say that something cannot be true because it came from one person who is wrong. As an example: Psych doesn't know how to use logical fallacies, therefore everything he says is wrong. Tu quoque, or "you did it too", is also not applicable, unless you are a member of Antifa. In which case I say that Antifa and the Nazis are just opposite side of the same coin and otherwise indestinguishable. Both are willing to use violence to shut people up.
Second, your reliance on buzzwords is further evidence that you have a poor education. For Pete's sake man, did you look up the meaning of the word heuristics before you used it? I didn't think so.
Third, the people I listed above have all been denigrated by the Libtard Left as not being authentically black. I thought you were up on all the buzzwords, but you must have skipped that day.
As to your question, I have already answered it every which way that can be answered. I do not agree with Nazis, KKK, white supremacists, Antifa, socialists, social justice crybullies, and am not on any of their sides. Why on earth would you even say something so stupid?
So far, you have posited a false hypothesis, stated something stupid that the parties had switched philosophies, that all Republicans must like Nazis, and used buzz words you don't understand. I can see why the state of education is so abysmal if you are a graduate. But you haven't addressed the questions that I proposed: Are you willing to destroy the Constitutional rights for some that you don't like?
Because if you are, yours will be the next to go.

You turning the discussion towards me being a racist is ad hominem.

ad ho·mi·nem
ˌad ˈhämənəm/
adverb & adjective
adverb: ad hominem; adjective: ad hominem

1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

Heuristic (From Wikipedia).

A heuristic technique (/hjuːˈrɪstɪk/; Ancient Greek: εὑρίσκω, "find" or "discover"), often called simply a heuristic, is any approach to problem solving, learning, or discovery that employs a practical method not guaranteed to be optimal or perfect, but sufficient for the immediate goals. Where finding an optimal solution is impossible or impractical, heuristic methods can be used to speed up the process of finding a satisfactory solution. Heuristics can be mental shortcuts that ease the cognitive load of making a decision. Examples of this method include using a rule of thumb, an educated guess, an intuitive judgment, guesstimate, stereotyping, profiling, or common sense.


Regarding the logic of my question to you, here it is.

A = Trump Supporter
B = Donald J. Trump
C = Facist/KKK/Whitesupremecists

All A likes B
All C likes B
All Cs are As
Not all As are Cs

Thus, are you okay with Cs being a part of your group As? To follow up, what about B makes As (including Cs) like him? Note, I'm not claiming and have never claimed you are a Fascist, clan member, or white supremacist. Rather, I am claiming that those groups are a subset of your group and am asking you if and why you are okay with that.

Once you answer, I'll be happy to answer your similar question of if I'm okay with ANTIFA and anarchists being a part of my group. So far, you openly state that you are not okay with those groups but you also offer them aid. Your application of first amendment rights is okay to a point. Those groups do have some protections, but only from government consequences.

 

[zengriz]

...don't know about all the semantics...
...do know one thing absolutely for sure...
...the guy's for fcuked up than hogans goat...

... :shock: ...

 

[fencer24]

Regarding the logic of my question to you, here it is.

A = Trump Supporter
B = Donald J. Trump
C = Facist/KKK/Whitesupremecists

All A likes B
All C likes B
All Cs are As
Not all As are Cs

Thus, are you okay with Cs being a part of your group As? To follow up, what about B makes As (including Cs) like him? Note, I'm not claiming and have never claimed you are a Fascist, clan member, or white supremacist. Rather, I am claiming that those groups are a subset of your group and am asking you if and why you are okay with that.

Once you answer, I'll be happy to answer your similar question of if I'm okay with ANTIFA and anarchists being a part of my group. So far, you openly state that you are not okay with those groups but you also offer them aid. Your application of first amendment rights is okay to a point. Those groups do have some protections, but only from government consequences.

Ah, there is your problem right there. You forgot about B = disapproval and disgust with C.

While no one can prevent someone from endorsing or liking, they can say they reject it. Hmm, just like Trump said.