Young Talent & Breakout Star

[uofmman1122]

brewskis » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:19 pm

Hammer: I know for a fact Stitt is very high on Willy Pflug.

Oh I believe it. He compared Pflug to his QB he had at CSM last year and that guy threw for over 4k yards and a ton of TDs. I'm betting we will still see one more QB recruited though, we want competition to be HOT at that position for years to come.

Pflug got a lot of admiration, until he didn't. Jensen seems to have fallen in the esteem of egriz to behind Phillips and Hill. Phillips? One year, and then QB search starts over again? Is that a strategy?

Looking around the BSC, NAU replaced an injured QB with a top notch back-up. EWU always seems to find a first class QB no matter what, or coaches one up. MSU walloped us with a teenager, during a complete half season collapse behind our NFL-caliber QB.

What seems to be the problem here? The position that perhaps needs the young talent and breakout star the most seems to be, from the comments, instead a default to the senior on the team, without much enthusiasm or confidence. If competition for that position is "HOT," how is that so? If it "should be" hot, why isn't it?

So it seems you're implying either

A) We don't have any good QBs on the roster and continually, for the past few years,we haven't been able to find any, while other schools can and do accomplish this regularly, or

B) We've had good QBs on the roster, but this coaching staff has been unable to, and will be unable to develop them into their potential.

Is this what you're trying to say, and if so, do you have an opinion on which is more accurate?

 

[Dillon]

Yea - Why not give Willy Pflug another shot - I hear he is still around.

 

[UMGriz75]

So it seems you're implying either

A) We don't have any good QBs on the roster and continually, for the past few years,we haven't been able to find any, while other schools can and do accomplish this regularly, or

B) We've had good QBs on the roster, but this coaching staff has been unable to, and will be unable to develop them into their potential.

Reading the hyperbole, it seems like we've had some very good talent. I reviewed in detail last year what happens to QBs playing successive rotations under this coach. Their capabilities on the field invariably degrades. Given that the opportunity to see something like that is rare, still, I've never seen anything like that before. Would've expected each to get better with each passing game, and they didn't.

Simis had great high school performances. Pflug was the golden child. Jensen was practically the anointed one. Then Phillips was going to show everyone that we could recruit great drop-downs. Now, we've got some more names, but the consensus seems to be that the credible choice is a senior, and so someone new has to be developed, all over again, the following year.

If we need anything, it is young talent and a breakout star at QB. We may have them, but the current process doesn't seem to be finding or developing them if we do. As I mentioned, compared to other schools, even the Hapless Wombats, BSC teams seem to find QB talent without nearly the machinations and sheer numbers that we process without ever seemingly to be able to find one.

Seems to me, if the program is to "develop," pick one of the strong sophomores, even bring Willy back, pick the guy and develop him. Just finally pick a guy and he's "it." And behind him, a clearly defined "next." Right now, UM feels like the guy at the buffet line that can't make up his mind, and is holding everybody up.

 

[argh!]

Simis had great high school performances. Pflug was the golden child. Jensen was practically the anointed one. Then Phillips was going to show everyone that we could recruit great drop-downs. Now, we've got some more names, but the consensus seems to be that the credible choice is a senior, and so someone new has to be developed, all over again, the following year.

huh? bg was a junior starter in stitt's first year, then a senior starter, and chalich had reps last year when bg was injured, so stitt doesn't have a history of going with one-year qb's and needing to start developing another from scratch, as you suggest. instead, and as is customary in football, there will be a competition to replace the graduating seniors. i have faith that the best qb will be chosen. also, most of the 'hyperbole' in your post is your own creation, seemingly meant to get people to believe your whining about stitt.

If we need anything, it is young talent and a breakout star at QB. We may have them, but the current process doesn't seem to be finding or developing them if we do. As I mentioned, compared to other schools, even the Hapless Wombats, BSC teams seem to find QB talent without nearly the machinations and sheer numbers that we process without ever seemingly to be able to find one.

huh? again, bg was a junior starter then a senior starter, so what machinations and "sheer numbers" are you talking about? also isn't it pretty common to give a guy who is also a good athlete a shot at qb, and if he isn't up to the job, move him to another position. isn't that what spring scrimmage is for? so in sum, another nonsense post in your continual whine about stitt.

Seems to me, if the program is to "develop," pick one of the strong sophomores, even bring Willy back, pick the guy and develop him. Just finally pick a guy and he's "it." And behind him, a clearly defined "next." Right now, UM feels like the guy at the buffet line that can't make up his mind, and is holding everybody up.

huh? just pick a guy based on his underclassman status, and he's "it"? instead of seeing what the best few prospects can do with 1st team reps? only the most dumb ass coach would do it that way, and only the most dumb ass poster would suggest it.

and as for my response, it isn't worth discussion football with you, as you don't engage in football discussions, you engage in whining.

 

[UMGriz75]

and as for my response, it isn't worth discussion football with you, as you don't engage in football discussions, you engage in whining.

Should I say, "on cue!"

See how that works? The Trolls come out! Anybody who wonders who derails these threads only needs to read that example. Set.

 

[argh!]

and as for my response, it isn't worth discussion football with you, as you don't engage in football discussions, you engage in whining.

Should I say, "on cue!"

See how that works? The Trolls come out! Anybody who wonders who derails these threads only needs to read that example. Set.

yes, you do whine on cue instead of posting anything relevant about football, so you can certainly say it if you wish!

as proof, notice how you can't respond to any of my refutations of your whining about how stitt has dealt with the qb situation? that is because what you wrote is a bunch of meaningless drivel that has nothing to do with the reality of the qb situation at montana.

 

[UMGriz75]

and as for my response, it isn't worth discussion football with you, as you don't engage in football discussions, you engage in whining.

Should I say, "on cue!"

See how that works? The Trolls come out! Anybody who wonders who derails these threads only needs to read that example. Set.

yes, you do whine on cue instead of posting anything relevant about football, so you can certainly say it if you wish!

as proof, notice how you can't respond to any of my refutations of your whining about how stitt has dealt with the qb situation? that is because what you wrote is a bunch of meaningless drivel that has nothing to do with the reality of the qb situation at montana.

"On cue!" Derail.

 

[Fat Bruno]

So it seems you're implying either

A) We don't have any good QBs on the roster and continually, for the past few years,we haven't been able to find any, while other schools can and do accomplish this regularly, or

B) We've had good QBs on the roster, but this coaching staff has been unable to, and will be unable to develop them into their potential.

Reading the hyperbole, it seems like we've had some very good talent. I reviewed in detail last year what happens to QBs playing successive rotations under this coach. Their capabilities on the field invariably degrades. Given that the opportunity to see something like that is rare, still, I've never seen anything like that before. Would've expected each to get better with each passing game, and they didn't.

Simis had great high school performances. Pflug was the golden child. Jensen was practically the anointed one. Then Phillips was going to show everyone that we could recruit great drop-downs. Now, we've got some more names, but the consensus seems to be that the credible choice is a senior, and so someone new has to be developed, all over again, the following year.

If we need anything, it is young talent and a breakout star at QB. We may have them, but the current process doesn't seem to be finding or developing them if we do. As I mentioned, compared to other schools, even the Hapless Wombats, BSC teams seem to find QB talent without nearly the machinations and sheer numbers that we process without ever seemingly to be able to find one.

Seems to me, if the program is to "develop," pick one of the strong sophomores, even bring Willy back, pick the guy and develop him. Just finally pick a guy and he's "it." And behind him, a clearly defined "next." Right now, UM feels like the guy at the buffet line that can't make up his mind, and is holding everybody up.

This bullshit blurt should be pinned as the ultimate example of a guy just making stuff up in order to have something to spout off about. There is nothing in here that is remotely accurate. And he wonders why he attracts "trolls" the way a shit house attracts flies.

 

[grizfnz]

and as for my response, it isn't worth discussion football with you, as you don't engage in football discussions, you engage in whining.

Should I say, "on cue!"

See how that works? The Trolls come out! Anybody who wonders who derails these threads only needs to read that example. Set.

yes, you do whine on cue instead of posting anything relevant about football, so you can certainly say it if you wish!

as proof, notice how you can't respond to any of my refutations of your whining about how stitt has dealt with the qb situation? that is because what you wrote is a bunch of meaningless drivel that has nothing to do with the reality of the qb situation at montana.

"On cue!" Derail.

Matte

 

[Ringneck]

So, are we still talking about the next breakout star, or...?

I'm gonna say Dante Olson. I don't know where he'll line up on defense, especially since we are allegedly so deep at the LB position, but I think he'll earn his way into the starting lineup, be an All-Conference selection this year, and an All-American next year. Watching the kid play is like watching a clinic on tackling fundamentals. He has that Brock Coyle-esque instinct and attitude.

 

[HookedonGriz]

So, are we still talking about the next breakout star, or...?

I'm gonna say Dante Olson. I don't know where he'll line up on defense, especially since we are allegedly so deep at the LB position, but I think he'll earn his way into the starting lineup, be an All-Conference selection this year, and an All-American next year. Watching the kid play is like watching a clinic on tackling fundamentals. He has that Brock Coyle-esque instinct and attitude.

Thank you for staying on task and for your good feedback. Kid is solid for sure. Was awesome on special teams this year.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

According to some, we have no young talent.

And any optimism shown toward said young talent and their potential for this season is not allowed!

 

[Ringneck]

According to some, we have no young talent. And any optimism shown toward said young talent and their potential for this season is not allowed!

Then why don't you bring something of substance to the discussion instead of just pointing fingers at them? If you're optimistic about the upcoming season maybe just explain why instead of instigating another childish argument?

Don't be like them; be better than them.

 

[Diesel]

To start D. Bedell DE from NJ he is a JR in 2017, does anyone have any info on his abilities?

B. Scott OT from OK he will be a redshirt freshman in 2017 does he have a chance of getting into the OL rotation this year?

I thought L. Taylor would make an impact in 2016. Maybe 2017 is his breakout year.

 

[HookedonGriz]

To start D. Bedell DE from NJ he is a JR in 2017, does anyone have any info on his abilities?

B. Scott OT from OK he will be a redshirt freshman in 2017 does he have a chance of getting into the OL rotation this year?

I thought L. Taylor would make an impact in 2016. Maybe 2017 is his breakout year.

Bedell transferred in from FBS Rutgers and was pretty decorated out east with honors and awards. In fact, he was a 3 star DE recruit in the 2014 class. Got offers from Temple and Uconn as well as interest from some power 5 conf teams. Dude has to be pretty legit with that interest.

Scott is huge and could be impactful.

Taylor will be solid IMO. Got a little dinged up last season early but was turning heads prior to that.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

According to some, we have no young talent. And any optimism shown toward said young talent and their potential for this season is not allowed!

Then why don't you bring something of substance to the discussion instead of just pointing fingers at them? If you're optimistic about the upcoming season maybe just explain why instead of instigating another childish argument?

Don't be like them; be better than them.

Ok last time I did this I got nailed to the cross by some....but here it goes...

I think we have some obvious talent at WR that we havent seen in a long time....some real physical freaks.....go look at our recieving corp on the roster...they are complete beasts.

The same can be said about defense we have a lot of talent everywhere.

I think this team will be like all Griz teams....always loaded with more talent than most....and we will go as far as our Oline and QB take us.

Our question mark is QB....if we have a QB that gets hot at the right time...and a halfway decent Oline we can go very deep every year. We always have the talent at the other positions on the field to make a title run.

Some will disagree which is fine but its true.

I also think there is an optimism around this program with the young kids that hasnt been here for a long time....all of our kids up until this year have known nothing but coaching change and controversy surrounding the program.....

We have coaching continuity for the first time in half a decade....I just think we will progress this year.

 

[reinell30]

According to some, we have no young talent. And any optimism shown toward said young talent and their potential for this season is not allowed!

Then why don't you bring something of substance to the discussion instead of just pointing fingers at them? If you're optimistic about the upcoming season maybe just explain why instead of instigating another childish argument?

Don't be like them; be better than them.

Ok last time I did this I got nailed to the cross by some....but here it goes...

I think we have some obvious talent at WR that we havent seen in a long time....some real physical freaks.....go look at our recieving corp on the roster...they are complete beasts.

The same can be said about defense we have a lot of talent everywhere.

I think this team will be like all Griz teams....always loaded with more talent than most....and we will go as far as our Oline and QB take us.

Our question mark is QB....if we have a QB that gets hot at the right time...and a halfway decent Oline we can go very deep every year. We always have the talent at the other positions on the field to make a title run.

Some will disagree which is fine but its true.

I also think there is an optimism around this program with the young kids that hasnt been here for a long time....all of our kids up until this year have known nothing but coaching change and controversy surrounding the program.....

We have coaching continuity for the first time in half a decade....I just think we will progress this year.

I agree 100% badlandsgrizfan!

 

[Ringneck]

According to some, we have no young talent. And any optimism shown toward said young talent and their potential for this season is not allowed!

Then why don't you bring something of substance to the discussion instead of just pointing fingers at them? If you're optimistic about the upcoming season maybe just explain why instead of instigating another childish argument?

Don't be like them; be better than them.

Ok last time I did this I got nailed to the cross by some....but here it goes...

I think we have some obvious talent at WR that we havent seen in a long time....some real physical freaks.....go look at our recieving corp on the roster...they are complete beasts.

The same can be said about defense we have a lot of talent everywhere.

I think this team will be like all Griz teams....always loaded with more talent than most....and we will go as far as our Oline and QB take us.

Our question mark is QB....if we have a QB that gets hot at the right time...and a halfway decent Oline we can go very deep every year. We always have the talent at the other positions on the field to make a title run.

Some will disagree which is fine but its true.

I also think there is an optimism around this program with the young kids that hasnt been here for a long time....all of our kids up until this year have known nothing but coaching change and controversy surrounding the program.....

We have coaching continuity for the first time in half a decade....I just think we will progress this year.

Thanks, good stuff. I agree especially with what you said about the optimism among the younger players. They seem to be a tight-knit group and from what I can tell, they believe in each other and in their coaches. A team's off-the-field dynamics have a major impact on their on-the-field performance. I agree with you Badlands - we will be better in 2017.

 

[reinell30]

According to some, we have no young talent. And any optimism shown toward said young talent and their potential for this season is not allowed!

Then why don't you bring something of substance to the discussion instead of just pointing fingers at them? If you're optimistic about the upcoming season maybe just explain why instead of instigating another childish argument?

Don't be like them; be better than them.

Ok last time I did this I got nailed to the cross by some....but here it goes...

I think we have some obvious talent at WR that we havent seen in a long time....some real physical freaks.....go look at our recieving corp on the roster...they are complete beasts.

The same can be said about defense we have a lot of talent everywhere.

I think this team will be like all Griz teams....always loaded with more talent than most....and we will go as far as our Oline and QB take us.

Our question mark is QB....if we have a QB that gets hot at the right time...and a halfway decent Oline we can go very deep every year. We always have the talent at the other positions on the field to make a title run.

Some will disagree which is fine but its true.

I also think there is an optimism around this program with the young kids that hasnt been here for a long time....all of our kids up until this year have known nothing but coaching change and controversy surrounding the program.....

We have coaching continuity for the first time in half a decade....I just think we will progress this year.

Thanks, good stuff. I agree especially with what you said about the optimism among the younger players. They seem to be a tight-knit group and from what I can tell, they believe in each other and in their coaches. A team's off-the-field dynamics have a major impact on their on-the-field performance. I agree with you Badlands - we will be better in 2017.

Ringneck for some reason I cannot PM you. Can you contact me via pm please?