Worst D-line we've had?

[Zirg]

Is this years edition of our defensive line the worst we've ever had? Kidder is doing absolutely nothing in the stand up position, and this standing position is costing our line any leverage they could have. It worked against shit teams, and even the first three series yesterday, but any uptempo team is getting the ball snapped before we even get set. We rush up the middle and have no outside pass rush whatsoever, and that my friends is why we are having trouble stopping anyone recently. We are not a bad team, but our defense is way too predictable, maybe it's time for a little zone defense on the backend. Not sure what can be done, but this back to back losses that looked quite similar is tough to swallow.

One of the worst in a long time for sure. Kidder was NON-EXISTENT against EWU. If you can't accept that, take your maroon-colored glasses off. I kept waiting for him to make a big play to turn the game around like other big-time Defensive studs have in the past, but he laid an absolute egg against the Eagles. I don't care how many tackles per game he racked up against inferior competition like MVSU or St. Francis. If that Impresses you, you are clueless.

 

[Zirg]

Actually, one of the better d-lines UM has had in recent history.

UM is 2d in conference and 25th in nation in team sacks.

UM is 2d in conference and 24th in nation in Rush D.

UM is 1st in the conference and 8th in the nation in team tackles for loss.

Kidder draws double teams and changes or disrupts virtually every play. He is a beast.

Not sure what the complaint is here.

Bingo.

5 sacks and 11 tackles for loss vs MVSU and they had -yards rushing. 5 sacks and 13 tackles for loss vs Sac. However, only 1 sack vs EWU and 0 vs NAU the last 2 weeks when it mattered. Keep pumping those numbers out like they mean something. It's all smoke and mirrors.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Reading the differing opinions about Kidder sure makes it apparent as to which posters see the result of a play and which ones understand how it happened.

 

[Zirg]

Kidder registered 3 fricking tackles in the most meaningful game of the year/of his career to date. If he was taking on 2 blockers every play, as some suggest, then it was a smart tactic, as nobody else was able to pick-up the slack.

 

[Zirg]

Y'all miss the point of my post yet again, Kidder is a great player but he is a big strong guy not a flat speed rusher, having him in the standing position is not maximizing his talent in my opinion, and please keep throwing defensive stats at me, how many sacks do we have in the last 2 games? Maybe 1 vs NAU and like 2 qb hits, think we got 2 or 3 vs EWU. I was asking a question, so I'll take it as a no. Kidder is not on the same level production as dends before him, but they may not have been as good standing either. But to say I'm ripping him and calling my thread stupid, just shows how arrogant some of you are on here, nothing ever changes, too many of you live your life vicariously through Griz football!

I totally agree with every part of this post. He shows flashes of greatness, but not consistently (against good teams when it counts). Nobody ever double-teamed Tim Bush or Zach Wagenmann? If you can stop the Griz by double-teaming Kidder, my other point is proven that we don't have a well-balanced solid defense.

I already answered your one question, and the answer is 1 sack combined the last 2 games against the 2 best teams in the conference we play this year. I know nobody wanted to answer that.

 

[bearister]

Is this years edition of our defensive line the worst we've ever had? Kidder is doing absolutely nothing in the stand up position, and this standing position is costing our line any leverage they could have. It worked against shit teams, and even the first three series yesterday, but any uptempo team is getting the ball snapped before we even get set. We rush up the middle and have no outside pass rush whatsoever, and that my friends is why we are having trouble stopping anyone recently. We are not a bad team, but our defense is way too predictable, maybe it's time for a little zone defense on the backend. Not sure what can be done, but this back to back losses that looked quite similar is tough to swallow.

"Ever" is a very long time. Not indicting any particular player, but the Griz as a team were kind of awful when I was a student here. Hard to believe there wasn't one year in there with a worse D-line than we have now.

 

[JayLarson]

Finally the posters with a little common sense have arrived!

 

[JayLarson]

Our linebacker are getting through every play? What the hell are you watching, no one got through vs NAU, and after the first three series vs EWU! Not sure what some of you are watching. I love the Griz but that doesn't put me above calling what I see, and Kidder is my favorite Griz player.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Here's my 2 cents: Any time you can get EWU to punt 6 times, and get 2 turnovers and hold them to 35, you should win that game 9/10 times. You can get EIGHT of their possessions to end without points? That's a WIN by the defense. We held them to fewer yards and fewer points than EVERY OTHER TEAM they've played this year, with the exception of UNI.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Finally the posters with a little common sense have arrived!

I prefer to say "uneducated"

 

[PlayerRep]

Kidder registered 3 fricking tackles in the most meaningful game of the year/of his career to date. If he was taking on 2 blockers every play, as some suggest, then it was a smart tactic, as nobody else was able to pick-up the slack.

3 tackles for a d-end/tackle was fine or even pretty good in the EWU game. EWU rushed only 24 times for 74 yards for an average of 3.1. Both yardage and average well below EWU's season averages. UM completely shut down EWU's run game, except for a 15 yard run by the qb and a 14 yard run by the rb. The QB ran 7 of the 24 times. How often does a d-lineman tackle a good running qb, maybe 50% or less of the time?

The d-lineman made 10 tackles (3 solo and 7 assists). Kidder had 30% of those tackles. The linebackers had only 14. Bush had 5, and Banks had 3. Do you think those guys sucked too?

Do you not realize that when an opposing team is a passing team, with only 17 running plays by backs (some of which were option pitches), and gets only 74 yards total, that means that the d-line has played very well against the run and has completely shut down the run (with help, of course, from backers and secondary).

I assume you don't expect a 265 pound d-end/d-tackle, to make downfield tackles against receivers?

Think a bit and glance at the stats, before making dumb posts like the one you made. You embarrass yourself and egriz.

 

[Htowngriz]

Here's my 2 cents: Any time you can get EWU to punt 6 times, and get 2 turnovers and hold them to 35, you should win that game 9/10 times. You can get EIGHT of their possessions to end without points? That's a WIN by the defense. We held them to fewer yards and fewer points than EVERY OTHER TEAM they've played this year, with the exception of UNI.

No kidding. And when your offense only manages 16 against a perennially awful defense, I think it's pretty clear where the blame should lie.

 

[fanofzoo]

"I assume you don't expect a 265 pound d-end/d-tackle, to make downfield tackles against receivers?"
Good post but I remember Bierman doing that at a kitties game.

 

[PlayerRep]

"I assume you don't expect a 265 pound d-end/d-tackle, to make downfield tackles against receivers?"
Good post but I remember Bierman doing that at a kitties game.

Yes, and I remember Timmy Hauck telling me after that play that it "might just have gotten Bierman drafted".

 

[Htowngriz]

"I assume you don't expect a 265 pound d-end/d-tackle, to make downfield tackles against receivers?"
Good post but I remember Bierman doing that at a kitties game.

I don't remember what receiver it was, but I doubt they were of the same caliber as Kupp, Bourne or Hill.

 

[George Ferguson]

"I assume you don't expect a 265 pound d-end/d-tackle, to make downfield tackles against receivers?"
Good post but I remember Bierman doing that at a kitties game.

I don't remember what receiver it was, but I doubt they were of the same caliber as Kupp, Bourne or Hill.

It was the Green kid from Billings.

 

[daGrizJ]

"I assume you don't expect a 265 pound d-end/d-tackle, to make downfield tackles against receivers?"
Good post but I remember Bierman doing that at a kitties game.

I don't remember what receiver it was, but I doubt they were of the same caliber as Kupp, Bourne or Hill.

It was the Green kid from Billings.

That was one of the most amazing plays I have ever seen from a Griz player. Bierman bull rushed the QB out of the pocket, chased him into the flat and forced him to throw, the wide open WR caught the ball about 15 yards down field and headed for the endzone. Bierman caught him and tackled him from behind.

 

[JayLarson]

And now convo goes back to the glory days.

 

[Ursa Major]

"I assume you don't expect a 265 pound d-end/d-tackle, to make downfield tackles against receivers?"
Good post but I remember Bierman doing that at a kitties game.

I don't remember what receiver it was, but I doubt they were of the same caliber as Kupp, Bourne or Hill.

It was the Green kid from Billings.

Definitely NOT the same caliber as Kupp, Bourne or Hill.

 

[Htowngriz]

And now convo goes back to the glory days.

Anything to forget about the pants-on-head retarded OP.