• Hi Guest, want to participate in the discussions, keep track of read/unread posts access private forums and more? Create your free account and increase the benefits of your eGriz.com experience today!

Williams: UM has recruited 'thugs' for football team

Predictably, as this thread has meandered along it has strayed ever further from the point. That point being that without supporting evidence Pat Williams has recklessly maligned a substantial segment of UM's student athlete population. Period... Williams didn't just air dirty laundry he waved all of it, dirty and clean, in the face of The New York Times. If quoted accurately his sorry ass should be run out of the BOR as well as any campus teaching gig he might still have.
 
Nothing happens unless you voice your opinion, so let the governor know how you feel.
http://governor.mt.gov/contact.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And the commissioner of higher education
Clay Christian
[email protected]
Lynette Brown
[email protected]

No matter if you believe or not believe PW's statement about athletes, Pat Williams made a huge mistake. HUGE!!!

The best thing Royce could come out and say is he does not agree with PW's statement, but RE didn't have the balls to challenge a two bit unethical reporter. There is no way he will challenge an ex US congressman.
 
NativeGriz said:
Nothing happens unless you voice your opinion, so let the governor know how you feel.
http://governor.mt.gov/contact.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And the commissioner of higher education
Clay Christian
[email protected]
Lynette Brown
[email protected]

No matter if you believe or not believe PW's statement about athletes, Pat Williams made a huge mistake. HUGE!!!

The best thing Royce could come out and say is he does not agree with PW's statement, but RE didn't have the balls to challenge a two bit unethical reporter. There is no way he will challenge an ex US congressman.
Click to expand...

Let them all know that you want Booger to recruit more thugs :thumb:
 
What a blowhard. The day Pat Williams is no longer relevant can't come soon enough. You can thank Brian Schweitzer for appointing Williams to the Board of Regents.
 
Pat Williams has a "thing" for Griz football . . . big deal.

What burns me is that someone suddenly made the word "thug" into a derogatory word. What gives?
 
Sportin' Life said:
BITB said:
This is outrageous and must stop. While we cannot stop irresponsible and sensationalist media, we can TAKE ACTION against taxpayer funded public officials who make slanderous statements.

What we can do;
1. Whoever knows how to implement an on-line petition, etc. please get it going
2. As a father of a player, I plan to request that the President make a public statement condemning such statements. What if he said the "University attracts sluts"?
3. I plan to seek legal advice as to whether I can take direct legal or adminsitrative actoin against Mr. Williams. His public statement is knowing false, reckless or intentional and damaging to the reputation of all players. One should note, this statement may be leaglly actionable by the coaching staff (current and past)
Blogging at one-another may make some of you feel good about yourself, but if you want to support this program, the University and the kids then this type of the most vile bullying must be confronted boldly.
Click to expand...

I agree that the comment was incendiary, but how was it false? There definitely have been proven cases of rape and beatings. I don't recall the vandalism, but there it is hard to keep track, and vandalism is hardly unlikely. Hell, he didn't even mention the dui's, the drugs, or the other problems with partying. The problem with UM isn't that someone is speaking openly about the problems associated with the football team --- it is the problems associated with the football team. I think we are on the road to curing them, but pretending that they never happened is certainly not the way to do it.

In a nutshell; no, the statement is certainly not legally actionable by anyone because for slander to happen the statement must be false, and it unfortunately is not.
Click to expand...

every player is a thug? university recruited thugs? because i thought they were all citizens with a record that is suitable for being admitted into a university and playing a sport. You sir are calling them all thugs, when in reality they are legal citizens and you are not allowed to judge them. They are just like you or me. The fact that they have made a choice to indulge in criminal activity after becoming a student here is very sad. However you can not make a judgment that a person is bad, based upon where they are from or what they grew up with. When every player was brought here they have to meet the standards and be admitted into the university. your statement resembles a statement such as, "The University of Montana's Jounalism department/student newspaper is full of liars and it must be controlled." Now the fact is that yes the Kaimin has been in trouble for false reports and mis-issuing reports in the paper. However to say that they are all liars is outragous and outlandish. Many of them try very had and are great people! Please do not try to inform when you yourself have no idea what you are talking about! ;)
 
Royce Engstrom has an incredible opportunity today to stand up for the "U" and call
Williams out for his comments. If he just sits there and placates it would show what
a spineless jelly roll he is. He needs to show he is personally upset about this and
show some fight, otherwise if I'm a Griz fan you gotta wonder whose bread he's butterin'.
 
mlbowl said:
Jerry Punch said:
mlbowl said:
Jerry Punch said:
Tell me why the article is wrong. Pat Williams bloviating is about as reliable as Dave Paoli's bloviating. But at the end of the day, did the article miss something or overstate something that happened in Missoula?
Click to expand...

In other words, you believe that JJ is guilty. He clearly stated "sex assaults"...plural - more than 1 in number.
Click to expand...

1) Gang rape that Jim Foley wanted referred to as something different than what it was
2) Beau Donaldson, whom everybody including Beau knows was guilty and deserved his sentence except for his attorney.

The handling of the JJ defense by Paoli is sketchy at best and irresponsible and morally reprehensible at worst.
Click to expand...


Who was charged in this "gang rape"? Please provide a link.
Click to expand...

And round and round we go. Read the article, if you can. It discusses crimes that weren't charged or investigated by law enforcement. Maybe this was one of them. Maybe not.

This is a classic catch-22. So many wish that charge of law enforcement "not doing its job" would be proven false. And when law enforcement does its job and trys a case against a high profile UM athlete, "they are trying to prove that they are doing their job." So, which is it then? Is law enforcement not doing its job or is it out there maliciously prosecuting Griz athletes?
 
catdaddy7 said:
Royce Engstrom has an incredible opportunity today to stand up for the "U" and call
Williams out for his comments. If he just sits there and placates it would show what
a spineless jelly roll he is. He needs to show he is personally upset about this and
show some fight, otherwise if I'm a Griz fan you gotta wonder whose bread he's butterin'.
Click to expand...
Royce needs funding from the BOR, no way he will challenge Pat. If you take the word of others on this forum, Pat will be the person who makes sure JJ never plays again even if acquitted....and Royce will not challenge him on that either.

Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2
 
Jerry Punch said:
mlbowl said:
Jerry Punch said:
mlbowl said:
In other words, you believe that JJ is guilty. He clearly stated "sex assaults"...plural - more than 1 in number.
Click to expand...

1) Gang rape that Jim Foley wanted referred to as something different than what it was
2) Beau Donaldson, whom everybody including Beau knows was guilty and deserved his sentence except for his attorney.

The handling of the JJ defense by Paoli is sketchy at best and irresponsible and morally reprehensible at worst.
Click to expand...


Who was charged in this "gang rape"? Please provide a link.
Click to expand...

And round and round we go. Read the article, if you can. It discusses crimes that weren't charged or investigated by law enforcement. Maybe this was one of them. Maybe not.

This is a classic catch-22. So many wish that charge of law enforcement "not doing its job" would be proven false. And when law enforcement does its job and trys a case against a high profile UM athlete, "they are trying to prove that they are doing their job." So, which is it then? Is law enforcement not doing its job or is it out there maliciously prosecuting Griz athletes?
Click to expand...

You're the one going round and round. I simply asked you to provide proof of this "gang rape". Btw, it was investigated. Could it be that the allegations were not supported by the evidence presented? All I ask is that you do a little research, Pat!
 
All he did was publicly comment on the dumpster fire that is going on at UM. Everything he said is true. Most of you people just don't get it. There are a shitload of people in the state that are disgusted with the things that have gone on with UM football over the last decade, and how officials have dealt with the issues. Definitely a "Win at all costs", and "Football players are untouchable" attitude, whether real or perceived. There are enough facts out there now that probably make most reasonable lean towards the "real" side. Having said that, no... it probably wasn't his place to make those statements, and I don't think it was a very good move politically but I guess we'll see.

It hurts when this shit happens to your favorite team, Cat fans know this better than anyone. One positive outcome from this... look at what happened to us a decade ago. I was so God Damn happy to see my beloved Bobcats front and center in Sports Illustrated... and not for good things. But that "Rock Bottom" probably cleared the path for where we are today.
 
It could well be that they weren't just as well that they were. If the investigations weren't conducted at all or half-assed, then the evidence issue would be a moot point. If you don't even try, of course there won't be evidence.

So I'm saying you don't know just as well as I don't know what the hell happened. But denying that UM has a problem is assinine. But, by all means, continue to do it if you think that's the way to win the hearts and minds of fans and recruits alike.
 
poorgriz said:
It hurts when this shit happens to your favorite team, Cat fans know this better than anyone. One positive outcome from this... look at what happened to us a decade ago. I was so God Damn happy to see my beloved Bobcats front and center in Sports Illustrated... and not for good things. But that "Rock Bottom" probably cleared the path for where we are today.
Click to expand...
Just so I am clear on the rock bottom and thug thing, is Connor Thomas a thug that was just re-signed, or just a good kid that made a mistake and paid for it?
Was Roger Trammell a thug, or maybe falsely accused? Or maybe he was recruited before you hit rock bottom a decade ago so he doesn't count.
How about Donald Tudahl, thug or self defense?
The 2 from the basketball team kicked off last summer for breaking into cars? Thugs or just boys being boys?

I am just curious why all these fellows got into trouble, but they aren't thugs, or at least your programs don't recruit thugs anymore?

Are you still fixing windows in that house you live in from hitting rock bottom "a decade ago"?
 
Jerry Punch said:
It could well be that they weren't just as well that they were. If the investigations weren't conducted at all or half-assed, then the evidence issue would be a moot point. If you don't even try, of course there won't be evidence.

So I'm saying you don't know just as well as I don't know what the hell happened. But denying that UM has a problem is assinine. But, by all means, continue to do it if you think that's the way to win the hearts and minds of fans and recruits alike.
Click to expand...

dude, if that isnt a bunch of fucked up gobbledygook
 
Jerry Punch said:
So I'm saying you don't know just as well as I don't know what the hell happened. But denying that UM has a problem is assinine. But, by all means, continue to do it if you think that's the way to win the hearts and minds of fans and recruits alike.
Click to expand...

Well, I do know that they weren't convicted...or even charged, for that matter but, by all means, you continue to call them rapists or "thugs", if you prefer! I am not in denial about any problem at the UofM. I know there was a big mess and I'm pretty sure steps are being taken to clean it up. Good ol' Pat makes it sound like anyone with a vagina better hide in the bushes if ANYONE from the football team comes near
...and yes, that bothers me.
 
More of Pat Williams' quote:

"The football team was recruiting too many thugs. Rape was not the only problem. There was vandalism, there were personal assaults, and there was destruction of property. The players were pampered and adored. Too many of them had the feeling they were bulletproof and immune to the rules that all of us must follow. They acted like arrogant marauders."
Click to expand...


http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8921202/university-montana-qb-rape-trial-begins-amid-larger-sex-assault-scandal-plaguing-missoula" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Back
Top