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Williams NOT confirmed by Senate

To me the saddest thing out of this whole debacle is that violence against and rape of women is a SERIOUS problem that demands attention. It simply cannot be tolerated and everybody needs to be part of the solution. However, in an apparently desperate attempt to call attention to the problem, certain groups and individuals latched on to the UM football team as their cause. Instead of accepting rather obvious (and granted some not so obvious) truths they were blinded by their rage and fired indiscriminately at any nearby target. In the process they have completely shifted the conversation away from where it should be and at the same time alienated so many people who really believe in the cause and would want to be a part of the solution. So many months of wasted time and wasted dollars and far less focus on the actual problem then their could have been. It borders on tragic.
 
AllWeatherFan said:
Anybody else catch Williams' full statement regarding the vote in today's paper?

http://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-senate-rejects-williams-nomination-to-regents/article_ec2837a2-9d5d-11e2-a48f-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Williams' full statement

“First, I’m disappointed in the partisan nature of the Senate vote. But I am not surprised that the same Senate which voted today to legalize and encourage our students to pack heat on our college campuses, does not want me as a member of the Board of Regents.

“I also hope that this vote will not chill the voices of all administrators from speaking clearly about obvious excesses of much of college football and the criminality of some players.

“Women in Montana need to continue to hope that a majority of men fully understand that the old excuse of 'boys will be boys' is bankrupt. In fact, some of those boys who assault women are common bullies, deeply troubled young men addicted to assault. One can label them anyway they want, but they are unworthy of the University of Montana or any other institutions.”

I was disappointed in his statement. I don't think a single person who opposed his confirmation attempted to justify Beau Donaldson's crime by saying "boys will be boys."

So, who are the other "boys who assault women," Pat? What other individuals have been charged?

I think people on both ends of the political spectrum get annoyed with stereotyping. And the "boys will be boys" aspersion is just that.

Great post AWF!

I believe most date rapists are confidence men, far from the stereotyipical "thug" image that some want to portray.
 
I am well aware of party affiliation and straight party line vote - it has always mystified me. My point was (and somehow got buried in the tax, healthcare / other BS), I've heard nothing for weeks and weeks how PW should be held accountable for his words just like the coach/AD etc. My original post was stating that the people who affirmed his behaviour by voting to confirm him to the BOR should be held accountable for their actions in the next election. You obviously won't do that and that's OK with me - don't care. Do what you got to do. If you find that you have bigger reasons to support those who didn't give hells beans about PW's statements (and what was best for the Montana university system), then more power to you. That is a absolute example of business as usual and is the reason government is so inept.
 
grizindabox said:
I decided to follow PW's lead every time I need to apologize, something like this:

I apologize that you are just too stupid to understand.

:coffee:


Exactly! This is further evidence of his arrogant "better than thou" nature!
 
Pater_Ursus_Arctos said:
Hokey,

Curious...being that you think this was all just politics as usual...are you saying that all Rep should have voted to confirm or all Dems should have voted to not confirm?

Let's hear it.
nope. if there was more bipartisan support against his nomination then that gives it more credibility. because it was a party line vote means that they(dems and repubs) really didn't care about what PW said.
 
AllWeatherFan said:
Anybody else catch Williams' full statement regarding the vote in today's paper?

http://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-senate-rejects-williams-nomination-to-regents/article_ec2837a2-9d5d-11e2-a48f-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Williams' full statement

“First, I’m disappointed in the partisan nature of the Senate vote. But I am not surprised that the same Senate which voted today to legalize and encourage our students to pack heat on our college campuses, does not want me as a member of the Board of Regents.

“I also hope that this vote will not chill the voices of all administrators from speaking clearly about obvious excesses of much of college football and the criminality of some players.

“Women in Montana need to continue to hope that a majority of men fully understand that the old excuse of 'boys will be boys' is bankrupt. In fact, some of those boys who assault women are common bullies, deeply troubled young men addicted to assault. One can label them anyway they want, but they are unworthy of the University of Montana or any other institutions.”

I was disappointed in his statement. I don't think a single person who opposed his confirmation attempted to justify Beau Donaldson's crime by saying "boys will be boys."

So, who are the other "boys who assault women," Pat? What other individuals have been charged?

I think people on both ends of the political spectrum get annoyed with stereotyping. And the "boys will be boys" aspersion is just that.

So let me get this straight. Before the vote and at the hearing, he states it was about 6 or so athletes who exhibited "thuggish" behavior and not about JJ and not an attempt to sway any type of jury outcome. Now that I was not comfirmed it is about "boys" (notice the plural noun) who assault women. This is the reason so many people were up in arms. He knew what he was doing when he first said it, he was steadfast in his words when given the opportunity to minimalize the damage. When the heat came his way he changed his story and now that he did not get his way, he says I meant what I said in the beginning. He seems hell bent on tilting at windmills that he is creating himself.
 
Talked with the Missoulian this morning. The article is already up.

One thing that stands out to me is the frustration from the opposition petition which has continually had a subtle suggestion that my side did not support campus safety and particularly women's safety - which is totally untrue. The other side really tried to shift the argument that way but we stayed on point with our concerns. I can't help but wonder if part of our success was that unlike our opponents we stayed on topic.

http://missoulian.com/news/local/williams-rejection-as-regent-pleases-some-rankles-others/article_20e46510-9e26-11e2-addc-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The removal of Pat Williams from the Montana Board of Regents on Thursday fired up bloggers, leaving some to celebrate the vote and others saying it stank of partisan politics.

On a 26-23 vote, the Montana Senate elected to remove Williams from the board, with all 26 votes coming from Republicans. The move pleased the followers of egriz.com, a social media forum dedicated to University of Montana athletics.

Brint Wahlberg, a Missoula real estate agent, launched a petition through egriz asking the Senate to block Williams’ confirmation to the board.

Wahlberg spent weeks gathering signatures and lobbying legislators, and he testified against Williams’ confirmation before the Senate Education Committee two weeks ago.

“We’re encouraged to see our concerns – Williams being a regent – echoed with the senators we talked with,” Wahlberg said. “We took issue with his comments, the timing and the follow-up. We feel the Senate made the right decision.”

In a New York Times story printed just before UM quarterback Jordan Johnson went on trial for rape (he was acquitted), Williams used the word “thugs” to describe certain members of the University of Montana football team. Williams said he was referring to only a half-dozen student-athletes charged with assault, burglary, rape and other crimes.

***

Members of the Associated Students of the University of Montana weren’t as pleased as Wahlberg, saying Williams’ experience had made him the right appointment for the post.

Student leaders said Williams had received strong support from UM students, who had launched their own petition seeking his appointment. They said partisan politics blocked his confirmation.

“It’s really disappointing that our representatives chose partisan politics over advocating and standing up for students,” said Topher Williams, a former ASUM senate member and current UM student.

“I felt this was the one thing the Senate could agree on and do well for Montana’s students,” he added. “It was disheartening the Senate couldn’t pull it together and do what was right for students.”

Aylinn Inmon, a UM student who launched a petition to see Williams confirmed to the board, said Williams stood up for women and a stronger education system.

“It’s a sad day for Montana students when politicians prevent our fiercest advocate and the most qualified candidate from representing us on the board of regents – only for political reasons. Pat stood up for women, student safety and better education. We’re all proud of that.”

***

Regents are appointed by the governor to serve on the board. Williams had been appointed last year by former Gov. Brian Schweitzer. Gov. Steve Bullock’s office on Friday didn’t offer a time frame on when it planned to appoint a replacement.

The Board of Regents and the Office of the Commissioner of Higher Education had little to say after the Senate’s vote, nor did they comment on Bullock’s next move, or how he’d replace the ousted regent.

Williams’ profile had already been removed Friday morning from the Montana University System’s website noting Board of Regents members.

“We respect and work within the process whereby the governor and the Senate determine the composition of the Board (of Regents),” said Kevin McRae, communications director for the Montana University System. “We work with and respect whatever prerogatives the governor and the Senate exercise.”

Missoula, home to the University of Montana – the state’s largest university – currently has no representation on the Board of Regents. Now down to six members, the board includes two regents from Billings, two from Bozeman and one each from Anaconda and Havre.

McRae said regents don’t represent certain schools or districts, but rather, they serve the state at large. In contrast, McRae noted, members of the Legislature represent constituents in their home districts.

“Each regent is a regent over every institution in the system,” McRae said. “Traditionally, governors and the Legislature have considered geographic balance, but there is no institutional designation to regent stewardship.”
 
How sweet it is!!!!!!! Love it !!!!!!!!! That individual does not belong and people realized it. It was a great day.
 
statler & waldorf said:
Da Griz said:
This may have been a party line vote, but it was Pat's stupid statement and his pathetic effort at damage control that gave the Republicans the rationale to vote against him. For a guy that is supposed to be politcally adept, this was a display of fumbling ignorance.

What killed the Pat? Arrogance killed the Pat...



A picture is worth a thousand words.
+1... :ditto:
 
So, this is interesting, but does it really make a difference in the over all scheme of things? A publicity driven politician is rejected....another will step up....the real problems don't depend soley on one person, or party....It takes a village to screw things up as badly as they have.
 
GrizLA said:
So, this is interesting, but does it really make a difference in the over all scheme of things? A publicity driven politician is rejected....another will step up....the real problems don't depend soley on one person, or party....It takes a village to screw things up as badly as they have.

In a perfect world, the people will rise up and help reject the next publicity driven politician. Yes there are real problems. We could sit here and wring our hands, or we can continue to move forward and support the university with our words and our dollars. It is going to need both in the months to come.
 
Pat "retired" from Congress just ahead of corruption charges enveloping the leadership at the time. Then he managed to circumvent the law and get his campaign funds "donated" to the U, to hire him. The IRS just hates "donor directed funds," in non-profit donations, and I am amazed this one got somehow ... uh .... accepted by the U.

His "statement" was a model of sour grapes, the ventings of a sore loser, and a vindictive old man; in marked contrast to the hasty "apology" concocted just before the vote, and so contrary to it as to immediately dishonor it for what it was: a hasty, insincere apology uttered by a retired politician bored with his day job, looking to get back into the public game.
 
Pat Williams: “Women in Montana need to continue to hope that a majority of men fully understand that the old excuse of 'boys will be boys' is bankrupt. In fact, some of those boys who assault women are common bullies, deeply troubled young men addicted to assault. One can label them anyway they want, but they are unworthy of the University of Montana or any other institutions.”
"Troubled young men, addicted to assault" of women?

Aside from the non-sports related, diversity-related Saudi "incident," which did in fact involve multiple assaults, which did, in fact, reflect an avowedly misogynistic "culture" where rape victims are punished, and which has been completely lost in the Engstrom/Williams reality rewrite, just who in the hell was he referring to at UM?
 
UMGriz75 said:
Pat Williams: “Women in Montana need to continue to hope that a majority of men fully understand that the old excuse of 'boys will be boys' is bankrupt. In fact, some of those boys who assault women are common bullies, deeply troubled young men addicted to assault. One can label them anyway they want, but they are unworthy of the University of Montana or any other institutions.”
"Troubled young men, addicted to assault" of women?

Aside from the non-sports related, diversity-related Saudi "incident," which did in fact involve multiple assaults, which did, in fact, reflect an avowedly misogynistic "culture" where rape victims are punished, and which has been completely lost in the Engstrom/Williams reality rewrite, just who in the hell was he referring to at UM?

Assume they don't exist. More of the myth that PW (and Engstrom?) want to perpetuate. More quotes for the NY Times and perhaps Dateline, I suppose. Had he been confirmed, I suppose he might have not talked to Dateline. Now?
 
UMGriz75 said:
Pat Williams: “Women in Montana need to continue to hope that a majority of men fully understand that the old excuse of 'boys will be boys' is bankrupt. In fact, some of those boys who assault women are common bullies, deeply troubled young men addicted to assault. One can label them anyway they want, but they are unworthy of the University of Montana or any other institutions.”
"Troubled young men, addicted to assault" of women?

Aside from the non-sports related, diversity-related Saudi "incident," which did in fact involve multiple assaults, which did, in fact, reflect an avowedly misogynistic "culture" where rape victims are punished, and which has been completely lost in the Engstrom/Williams reality rewrite, just who in the hell was he referring to at UM?

I suspect we will continue to hear from Pat Williams ... with messages similar to this. He can’t get off his soapbox, which is the key reason he is no longer a regent.
 
Grisly Fan said:
To me the saddest thing out of this whole debacle is that violence against and rape of women is a SERIOUS problem that demands attention. It simply cannot be tolerated and everybody needs to be part of the solution. However, in an apparently desperate attempt to call attention to the problem, certain groups and individuals latched on to the UM football team as their cause. Instead of accepting rather obvious (and granted some not so obvious) truths they were blinded by their rage and fired indiscriminately at any nearby target. In the process they have completely shifted the conversation away from where it should be and at the same time alienated so many people who really believe in the cause and would want to be a part of the solution. So many months of wasted time and wasted dollars and far less focus on the actual problem then their could have been. It borders on tragic.


Very well said. There are far more alleged and confirmed sexual assault issues on and off campus than the athletes have been involved with and I support all efforts to curtail those events. MY problem is that Williams and the University focused, and continues to focus the issue entirely on the Football team. A BIG mistake in my book. It takes the emphasis off of what some call "widespread" sexual abuse of women at the University of Montana and puts it totally on the backs of the football players. Stupid and nonsensical if we are truly interested in the welfare of women, as Williams wants us to believe is his concern.
 
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