Williams NOT confirmed by Senate

[A Griz 4ster]

sadly, but not surprisingly, this was purely a political vote by both parties and had nothing to do with what he said. same old game in helena. :roll:

If this was a true statment the multiple other regents and department apointees would all be going down, on the same party line vote. Fact is, this legislature is more cooperative than it's been in a long time. What was said before is true. PW gave folks a reason to vote him down.

 

[dsprout]

BeGrizzled your post be dazzled me. It's truely OK though...MANY posts here bedazzle me.

So let me try to understand...

The conduct committee (or whatever they call themselves) holds JJ accountable. The University President holds the head coach accountable (as well as the AD.) Probably 90% of the people on this messageboard (probably including yourself) want to hold the President accountable. In the same breath those same 90% want to hold Pat Williams accountable, but you my friend will vote party, club, good old boy (cause I'm party affiliated) and not hold Senators accountable?

There it is my friends. This is why nothing in our city, state or country will ever change for the better.

The folks at the top need to be held accountable (just like the rest) and until people start looking at individuals in power and not being the sheep and blindly following (just cause) nothing will ever change. I say this if you're a Dem or Rep.

Vote what is best for the City, State, Country, (in this case University system) and not the group.

Good luck to you and your group mentality. :thumb:

It generally has to do with traditional party stance; taxes, education, healthcare,etc. If you truly believe that you are totally independent of all those values as they are supported or denied by party affiliation then, I believe, you are lying to yourself.

 

[Pater_Ursus_Arctos]

DSP,

What does taxes, healthcare (etc) have to do with the Pat Williams confirmation? Really? People want to hold all parties accountable in regards to the crap of the last year at the university, but I guess you fail to understand that it should include elected leaders as well...EVEN the ones that did the right/wrong thing for the Montana University system.

So, because you didn't grasp my post, the people of Montana have the final say on who is held accountable. JJ was, Coach was, AD was, PW was...now don't shrug your damn duty and not hold your state senators accountable. :thumb:

 

[hokeyfine]

sadly, but not surprisingly, this was purely a political vote by both parties and had nothing to do with what he said. same old game in helena. :roll:

If this was a true statment the multiple other regents and department apointees would all be going down, on the same party line vote. Fact is, this legislature is more cooperative than it's been in a long time. What was said before is true. PW gave folks a reason to vote him down.

i disagree. if there was more of a mix of dems and repubs voting ya or na then i would agree. this was a pure and simple political vote on a high profile democrat. same helena garbage, by both sides.

 

[Pater_Ursus_Arctos]

Hokey,

Curious...being that you think this was all just politics as usual...are you saying that all Rep should have voted to confirm or all Dems should have voted to not confirm?

Let's hear it.

 

[BWahlberg]

It's interesting how some are concerned that it was a party line vote but still talk their political smack. I'm a democrat and I sent four emails to the committee and individual senators to not confirm PW. And I will likely continue to vote in the future with my party.

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Good post, as will I. Politics is that of many issues and one really has to look at a lot of issues when looking at possible candidates. I appreciate the Republican's support of our concerns with this cause but I was equally (if not more) frustrated with their recent attempts to block medicaid expansion, to keep the "criminalization" of homosexuality, and to block same-day voter registration.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

You gotta admit, even if you supported the vote to not confirm Williams (as I did), the folks in the Senate who blocked his confirmation will not likely be very kind to the university system in terms of state support.

So it's understandable that people might be a little reticent to crack open the champagne.

 

[UofMGrizFan]

This whole opposition to the Pat Williams nomination really shows the power of a motivated "grass roots" effort. Good job Griz fans!

Hear Hear, Great job Brint and Griz Nation. :clap:
GO GRIZ!!!!

 

[Pater_Ursus_Arctos]

So the vote in regards to PW really wasn't that important to you then....

Trade offs is what life is about.

Go Griz!

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I appreciate the Republican's support of our concerns with this cause but I was equally (if not more) frustrated with their recent attempts to block medicaid expansion, to keep the "criminalization" of homosexuality, and to block same-day voter registration.

Exactly. There are plenty of important issues in front of the legislature.

 

[Umista]

All issues are important. This event indicates that all slug politicos can get it in the end!

Being a pompus party line type of person this couldn't have happend to a better blow hard!

I get tired of both sides simply blowing and gowing over and over.

Pat is still talking about the carry issue passed and on and on he blathers..........................

 

[statler & waldorf]

Call it what you want, but NOT ONE democrat voted against PW. Two out of 28 republicans voted to support the prick.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Anybody else catch Williams' full statement regarding the vote in today's paper?

http://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-senate-rejects-williams-nomination-to-regents/article_ec2837a2-9d5d-11e2-a48f-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Williams' full statement

“First, I’m disappointed in the partisan nature of the Senate vote. But I am not surprised that the same Senate which voted today to legalize and encourage our students to pack heat on our college campuses, does not want me as a member of the Board of Regents.

“I also hope that this vote will not chill the voices of all administrators from speaking clearly about obvious excesses of much of college football and the criminality of some players.

“Women in Montana need to continue to hope that a majority of men fully understand that the old excuse of 'boys will be boys' is bankrupt. In fact, some of those boys who assault women are common bullies, deeply troubled young men addicted to assault. One can label them anyway they want, but they are unworthy of the University of Montana or any other institutions.”

I was disappointed in his statement. I don't think a single person who opposed his confirmation attempted to justify Beau Donaldson's crime by saying "boys will be boys."

So, who are the other "boys who assault women," Pat? What other individuals have been charged?

I think people on both ends of the political spectrum get annoyed with stereotyping. And the "boys will be boys" aspersion is just that.

 

[krammer]

I really believe this outcome is the best for u of Montana,,,this guy is so full of himself, it could not be hidden when he spoke in front of the senate....thanks b/w for your hard work.....

 

[grizfromhel]

What a graceless statement. PW has revealed himself fully as the arrogant jerk that he is.

Brint, you and others are far too generous to the man. His supposed "apology", circulated on the Senate floor before the vote, was of a similar vein: He "apologized" for the press supposedly misconstruing he statement.

 

[dsprout]

DSP,

What does taxes, healthcare (etc) have to do with the Pat Williams confirmation? Really? People want to hold all parties accountable in regards to the crap of the last year at the university, but I guess you fail to understand that it should include elected leaders as well...EVEN the ones that did the right/wrong thing for the Montana University system.

So, because you didn't grasp my post, the people of Montana have the final say on who is held accountable. JJ was, Coach was, AD was, PW was...now don't shrug your damn duty and not hold your state senators accountable. :thumb:

Let me try(heavy on the 'try') to explain it to you one more time. Voting for those who represent my interests depends upon multiple stances (examples-taxes, education, healthcare, etc). There- got that part?

Now, I refuse to let one issue dictate my vote (example- guns, abortion, defense budget, etc.) How we doing? You with me? As I see it, the Pat Williams thing is only one issue; therefore, I have no problem lending my minimal support behind the efforts to block his confirmation. If there had been other issues at stake, I then would have to balance how I feel about the overall situation and support accordingly. I would like to think I am holding my representatives accountable although it may not be true for each and every instance.

Again, if you don't think party affiliation plays a role on both sides of the aisle then you are living in some alternate universe.

 

[ranco]

Anybody else catch Williams' full statement regarding the vote in today's paper?

http://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-senate-rejects-williams-nomination-to-regents/article_ec2837a2-9d5d-11e2-a48f-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Williams' full statement

“First, I’m disappointed in the partisan nature of the Senate vote. But I am not surprised that the same Senate which voted today to legalize and encourage our students to pack heat on our college campuses, does not want me as a member of the Board of Regents.

“I also hope that this vote will not chill the voices of all administrators from speaking clearly about obvious excesses of much of college football and the criminality of some players.

“Women in Montana need to continue to hope that a majority of men fully understand that the old excuse of 'boys will be boys' is bankrupt. In fact, some of those boys who assault women are common bullies, deeply troubled young men addicted to assault. One can label them anyway they want, but they are unworthy of the University of Montana or any other institutions.”

I was disappointed in his statement. I don't think a single person who opposed his confirmation attempted to justify Beau Donaldson's crime by saying "boys will be boys."

So, who are the other "boys who assault women," Pat? What other individuals have been charged?

I think people on both ends of the political spectrum get annoyed with stereotyping. And the "boys will be boys" aspersion is just that.

His statements do nothing but further show how out of touch and ignorant of a person Williams is. With any luck, he will fade away into the back ground where he belongs. Maybe his wife will join him....

 

[KRO]

Pat's statement was ridiculous and showed he still doesn't get it. He's just trying to throw more crap out there in the hope that something will stick. I did my part to keep him off the board, sending multiple emails to the Senate committee. This just strengthens my convictions that it was the right thing to do.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

Anybody else catch Williams' full statement regarding the vote in today's paper?

http://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-senate-rejects-williams-nomination-to-regents/article_ec2837a2-9d5d-11e2-a48f-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Williams' full statement

“First, I’m disappointed in the partisan nature of the Senate vote. But I am not surprised that the same Senate which voted today to legalize and encourage our students to pack heat on our college campuses, does not want me as a member of the Board of Regents.

“I also hope that this vote will not chill the voices of all administrators from speaking clearly about obvious excesses of much of college football and the criminality of some players.

“Women in Montana need to continue to hope that a majority of men fully understand that the old excuse of 'boys will be boys' is bankrupt. In fact, some of those boys who assault women are common bullies, deeply troubled young men addicted to assault. One can label them anyway they want, but they are unworthy of the University of Montana or any other institutions.”

I was disappointed in his statement. I don't think a single person who opposed his confirmation attempted to justify Beau Donaldson's crime by saying "boys will be boys."

So, who are the other "boys who assault women," Pat? What other individuals have been charged?

I think people on both ends of the political spectrum get annoyed with stereotyping. And the "boys will be boys" aspersion is just that.

Williams' incorrect, ignorant and agenda-driven statements are further evidence of why he shouldn't be on the Board of Regents. He continues to expouse an agenda that is full of incorrect information. As AllWeatherFan pointed out, there is no information indicating that there are boys, at least not athletes at UM, assaulting women or addicted to sexual assault. This sounds like some of the same myth that Engstrom was apparently repeating in early 2012, which was provided by those with an agenda who were short on facts and long on innuendo and false allegation. The Montana dean thought the same thing. He has now been proven wrong on multiple occasions.

This from an administration that refuses to provide confirmation that: nothing came of the gang rape innuendos published by the Missoulian; players in a partially publicized honor code proceeding won their case or cases 7-0 and were allowed to graduate last spring; and no evidence of use of any date rape drug was found by Judge Barz in her independent investigation.

If the administration wants to reverse the declining enrollment and declining interest by some donors (and
fix the budget shortfall over time), then it needs to step up and exercise some leadership on these issues. However, it appears that the administration does not have the leadership skills nor conviction, to do what is necessary, and would rather let these issues fester--probably out of fear of offending those with an agenda of wanting to overstate problems and perpetuate myths.

Jordan Johnson has been acquitted, with many believing the charges/allegations should never have been made. The university has reinstated him to the team, which is viewed by some as an admission that the university's proceeding against Johnson was completely unfair, biased and illegal. Williams has not been confirmed, and discredited in the view of many. Nothing has come of any of the investigations in the other innuendos/allegations? How much more of these kinds of results and messages does the administration need to realize or admit that its approach and supporting of myths is incorrect?

 

[grizindabox]

I decided to follow PW's lead every time I need to apologize, something like this:

I apologize that you are just too stupid to understand.