Will the 2016 Defense be better than 2015 and 2014 Defenses?

[bgbigdog]

Back on topic, an effective offense - much closer to the picture Stitt painted to begin with, would be a huge help to the 2016 defense. There will be a number of new faces & lesser experienced players that would benefit by not spending 35-40 minutes on the field every game.

As BW noted, cupboard isn't bare, and it may be more of a blessing that many of the returning guys are part of the secondary, where finding guys with the skills needed can be difficult. If the base defense remains 4-3, or changes to 3-4, some larger linemen are needed and are hopefully soon in the pipeline.

 

[getgrizzy]

2015 - Defense ranked 4th in points allowed; 3rd in total defense. Offense ranked 8th in scoring; 6th in total offense.
2014 - Defense ranked 1st in points allowed; 2nd in total defense. Offense ranked 6th in scoring; 9th in total offense.

Defense > Offense.

Last four years points allowed
UM 23.8
NAU 26.5
SUU 27.2
Poly 27.4
MSU 28.4
There's a bigger gap between 1st and 2nd than there is between 2nd and 4th by a long way. 2.7 to 0.9.

Last four years points scored
EWU 38.0
MSU 36.6
Poly 33.2
UM 32.1 (last year's 29.3 was lowest of the four years)
NAU 30.1

This is simple stuff folks. Overall our defense has carried us the last four years, especially the last two.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I believe it was stated on here many, many times that Stitt didn't "sign on" Ty. Stitt was told that Ty, Legi and Green were TO BE RETAINED. As in, not up for discussion.

 

[SoldierGriz]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I believe it was stated on here many, many times that Stitt didn't "sign on" Ty. Stitt was told that Ty, Legi and Green were TO BE RETAINED. As in, not up for discussion.

And...each of them did a good job for the Griz. The maintained a sense of steady as Stitt was getting his feet under him. For that I am thankful. They have moved on and the Program will as well. Many posters should do the same.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I believe it was stated on here many, many times that Stitt didn't "sign on" Ty. Stitt was told that Ty, Legi and Green were TO BE RETAINED. As in, not up for discussion.

And...each of them did a good job for the Griz. The maintained a sense of steady as Stitt was getting his feet under him. For that I am thankful. They have moved on and the Program will as well. Many posters should do the same.

Easy, killer. Green is still here! :lol:

 

[SoldierGriz]

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I believe it was stated on here many, many times that Stitt didn't "sign on" Ty. Stitt was told that Ty, Legi and Green were TO BE RETAINED. As in, not up for discussion.

And...each of them did a good job for the Griz. The maintained a sense of steady as Stitt was getting his feet under him. For that I am thankful. They have moved on and the Program will as well. Many posters should do the same.

Easy, killer. Green is still here! :lol:

And...for that I am thankful! :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

...The offense didn't win any games for us and the defense never lost any...

Perhaps semantics but I disagree for the first NDSU game. A win on the last play from scrimmage while giving up 35 points counts as a win for the offense in my view.

And I think you can make the argument that the D did lose at least the CP game. One or two tackles in bounds on the last series and we win that game. But, of course, we get the first down beforehand and its moot.

Nope. No one who understands football would blame the CP loss on the defense.

 

[PlayerRep]

True, but it's hard to argue with Mick Delaney. I know there are people on this board who think they know more about coaching football and football in general than Mick or any coach we've ever had, but I'll go with the opinion of a long time coach over anyone posting on this board.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I'm no TG fan, but to say that it was TG's lack of skill at coaching the defense that was the downfall of the team this year is incredibly stupid and that he was relieved of his duties midway through the year is equally dumb. Stitt had his hands full getting the offense going and it was bailed out by the defense and special teams numerous times this year (ISU, SDSU, NAU), while the offenses lack of production cost us games (Poly, WSU). An 8-5 team that you have to give credit to the defense for three wins and can blame the offense for two losses. The offense didn't win any games for us and the defense never lost any. The rest were team wins and losses. It's going to be an interesting season with a new DC, new DL coach and numerous defensive positions to fill.

Look, we all get Mick's loyalty to Ty and why he supported Ty publicly for the HC position. I was merely commenting on what two posters relayed Mick told them in non-public public settings, and that I could believe he said to each of them what they posted. I'm sure that Mick knew intimately of any of Ty's shortcomings, and did whatever he could to help Ty address those and become a better DC.

Oh, BS to that. Delaney was not two-faced. He was very supportive in TG. To the extent MD would have said something to this other joker, the joker is completely over-playing it. No coach is perfect. Any shortcomings that MD might have seen were completely overshadowed by his final conclusion that TG would be a good UM head coach. MD also thought TG was a very good DC.

Nobody has said this but you. Mick can support Ty publicly and privately, while acknowledging deficiencies in private he doesn't speak about publicly, and not be two-faced. I wouldn't be surprised if Mick and Ty each have a list of things Ty could improve, but that doesn't mean Mick doesn't support Ty or Ty doesn't believe in himself. Your point seems to be simply trying all means to discredit Umista, making inferences that are not there. Face it, Mick has a lot of other friends and colleagues and suggesting you know what he would and wouldn't say to others who may know him better or be related by marriage or birth is a little presumptuous. The day any coach says they have arrived, know it all, and can't improve on perfection is they day they should get into broadcasting. I just don't see Mick acknowledging Ty has room to improve as negating his expressed public support.

Nope. Don't agree with the bulk of what you're saying. Of course, I don't ever expect stuff coming from you to make sense or be correct. You don't have a clue about football or Griz football, in my opinion.

 

[PlayerRep]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I believe it was stated on here many, many times that Stitt didn't "sign on" Ty. Stitt was told that Ty, Legi and Green were TO BE RETAINED. As in, not up for discussion.

Yes, I've seen that said, but I'm not sure that it's accurate. In fact, I have some information to indicate that it's likely not accurate, but admit that I don't know exactly what occurred. Stitt was checking on coaches, and fairly high on TG, a couple weeks before Stitt was hired. It would seem odd that someone, Haslam, would "tell" Stitt who he had to hire, 2 weeks before he was hired. I have almost never heard of an AD telling a new coach who he had to hire assistants. It would be surprising to me that Haslam, of all people, would tell a new coach who to hire for assistants.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Look, we all get Mick's loyalty to Ty and why he supported Ty publicly for the HC position. I was merely commenting on what two posters relayed Mick told them in non-public public settings, and that I could believe he said to each of them what they posted. I'm sure that Mick knew intimately of any of Ty's shortcomings, and did whatever he could to help Ty address those and become a better DC.

Oh, BS to that. Delaney was not two-faced. He was very supportive in TG. To the extent MD would have said something to this other joker, the joker is completely over-playing it. No coach is perfect. Any shortcomings that MD might have seen were completely overshadowed by his final conclusion that TG would be a good UM head coach. MD also thought TG was a very good DC.

Nobody has said this but you. Mick can support Ty publicly and privately, while acknowledging deficiencies in private he doesn't speak about publicly, and not be two-faced. I wouldn't be surprised if Mick and Ty each have a list of things Ty could improve, but that doesn't mean Mick doesn't support Ty or Ty doesn't believe in himself. Your point seems to be simply trying all means to discredit Umista, making inferences that are not there. Face it, Mick has a lot of other friends and colleagues and suggesting you know what he would and wouldn't say to others who may know him better or be related by marriage or birth is a little presumptuous. The day any coach says they have arrived, know it all, and can't improve on perfection is they day they should get into broadcasting. I just don't see Mick acknowledging Ty has room to improve as negating his expressed public support.

Nope. Don't agree with the bulk of what you're saying. Of course, I don't ever expect stuff coming from you to make sense or be correct. You don't have a clue about football or Griz football, in my opinion.

Ouch, the broken record response when someone guts your position. Next salvo no doubt will be the bullying tactic. All because it is possible Mick will confide things to people he won't confide to you. Classic!

 

[getgrizzy]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I believe it was stated on here many, many times that Stitt didn't "sign on" Ty. Stitt was told that Ty, Legi and Green were TO BE RETAINED. As in, not up for discussion.

Yes, I've seen that said, but I'm not sure that it's accurate. In fact, I have some information to indicate that it's likely not accurate, but admit that I don't know exactly what occurred. Stitt was checking on coaches, and fairly high on TG, a couple weeks before Stitt was hired. It would seem odd that someone, Haslam, would "tell" Stitt who he had to hire, 2 weeks before he was hired. I have almost never heard of an AD telling a new coach who he had to hire assistants. It would be surprising to me that Haslam, of all people, would tell a new coach who to hire for assistants.

It's not accurate and it's a complete fabrication. He wanted TG as the DC. Again, I never liked TG, but I hate dishonesty worse. It's absolutely senseless in this case.

 

[PlayerRep]

Oh, BS to that. Delaney was not two-faced. He was very supportive in TG. To the extent MD would have said something to this other joker, the joker is completely over-playing it. No coach is perfect. Any shortcomings that MD might have seen were completely overshadowed by his final conclusion that TG would be a good UM head coach. MD also thought TG was a very good DC.

Nobody has said this but you. Mick can support Ty publicly and privately, while acknowledging deficiencies in private he doesn't speak about publicly, and not be two-faced. I wouldn't be surprised if Mick and Ty each have a list of things Ty could improve, but that doesn't mean Mick doesn't support Ty or Ty doesn't believe in himself. Your point seems to be simply trying all means to discredit Umista, making inferences that are not there. Face it, Mick has a lot of other friends and colleagues and suggesting you know what he would and wouldn't say to others who may know him better or be related by marriage or birth is a little presumptuous. The day any coach says they have arrived, know it all, and can't improve on perfection is they day they should get into broadcasting. I just don't see Mick acknowledging Ty has room to improve as negating his expressed public support.

Nope. Don't agree with the bulk of what you're saying. Of course, I don't ever expect stuff coming from you to make sense or be correct. You don't have a clue about football or Griz football, in my opinion.

Ouch, the broken record response when someone guts your position. Next salvo no doubt will be the bullying tactic. All because it is possible Mick will confide things to people he won't confide to you. Classic!

Actually, it's my response when I know or think someone is being dishonest and clearly doesn't know what they're talking about. You are definitely in that category. I don't care at all if people agree with me. I do care when they are lying. And when I disagree with them, I sometimes I post my disagreement. Occasionally, when I think someone doesn't have a clue, I tell them.

 

[grizcountry420]

Nobody has said this but you. Mick can support Ty publicly and privately, while acknowledging deficiencies in private he doesn't speak about publicly, and not be two-faced. I wouldn't be surprised if Mick and Ty each have a list of things Ty could improve, but that doesn't mean Mick doesn't support Ty or Ty doesn't believe in himself. Your point seems to be simply trying all means to discredit Umista, making inferences that are not there. Face it, Mick has a lot of other friends and colleagues and suggesting you know what he would and wouldn't say to others who may know him better or be related by marriage or birth is a little presumptuous. The day any coach says they have arrived, know it all, and can't improve on perfection is they day they should get into broadcasting. I just don't see Mick acknowledging Ty has room to improve as negating his expressed public support.

Nope. Don't agree with the bulk of what you're saying. Of course, I don't ever expect stuff coming from you to make sense or be correct. You don't have a clue about football or Griz football, in my opinion.

Ouch, the broken record response when someone guts your position. Next salvo no doubt will be the bullying tactic. All because it is possible Mick will confide things to people he won't confide to you. Classic!

Actually, it's my response when I know or think someone is being dishonest and clearly doesn't know what they're talking about. You are definitely in that category. I don't care at all if people agree with me. I do care when they are lying. And when I disagree with them, I sometimes I post my disagreement. Occasionally, when I think someone doesn't have a clue, I tell them.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

In the words of Garth Algar.....

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

MD thinking TG would be a good head coach was all I needed to know.................#ignoranceisbliss

 

[Umista]

Joker?

It's easy to understand why Alpha is not posting his usual fluid funny blather any longer.

 

[George Ferguson]

AG1, question. Do you really think the Griz, with their current roster and current recruits, will be a better off switching to the 3-4? I do not.

 

[grizindabox]

AG1, question. Do you really think the Griz, with their current roster and current recruits, will be a better off switching to the 3-4? I do not.

Did he state this somewhere....

 

[George Ferguson]

No, I'm asking him what he thinks. Because I know he is glad TG is gone, and if TG was still here, the Griz would not be moving to a fulltime 3-4

 

[grizindabox]

No, I'm asking him what he thinks. Because I know he is glad TG is gone, and if TG was still here, the Griz would not be moving to a fulltime 3-4

not sure his dislike for TG and the "possible" change to a 3-4 are anywhere near the same argument....