Will the 2016 Defense be better than 2015 and 2014 Defenses?

[AZGrizFan]

Information in the recruit thread is usually quite inaccurate. It reflects what's on the internet and in certain sites, but it's based on what the players say and not information from the coaches. I've asked questions of people who would know on various occasions over the years, and sometimes they don't even know who the supposed offered kid is, or chuckle and say no. I think the most accurate information on this particular subject comes from verbals and from leakage sometimes seems to come from coaches.

And recruits that are not on the list that will play defense have already verballed

G1, again, if you count the players that have transfered or verbaled, there are 9 offensive and 7 defensive (counting Beaver as DE and Letexier the LB who just verbaled from Jefferson High). My only point is, it is more balanced than it looks at first glance. It is impossible to guess what will happen with any other offers, some of which we don't even know about. (Letexier is not on the list.) We won't really know until Feb but I feel comfortable the coachs are well aware of our defensive needs.

You are correct....another not on the list....also has verballed

Well if the list is so fucking inaccurate, why don't you disclose your info and make it MORE accurate?

 

[Ursus1]

And recruits that are not on the list that will play defense have already verballed

G1, again, if you count the players that have transfered or verbaled, there are 9 offensive and 7 defensive (counting Beaver as DE and Letexier the LB who just verbaled from Jefferson High). My only point is, it is more balanced than it looks at first glance. It is impossible to guess what will happen with any other offers, some of which we don't even know about. (Letexier is not on the list.) We won't really know until Feb but I feel comfortable the coachs are well aware of our defensive needs.

You are correct....another not on the list....also has verballed

Well if the list is so f***[*] inaccurate, why don't you disclose your info and make it MORE accurate?

Because I knew he verballed that day....but knew was tweeting it later that day so let him have that honor of letting people know. And now he is listed as verballing....also, I let Payton know more info via private message so he would be able to add to the list (knowing it was more than a rumor thus could be included in the "official" egriz verbal list).

 

[AZGrizFan]

G1, again, if you count the players that have transfered or verbaled, there are 9 offensive and 7 defensive (counting Beaver as DE and Letexier the LB who just verbaled from Jefferson High). My only point is, it is more balanced than it looks at first glance. It is impossible to guess what will happen with any other offers, some of which we don't even know about. (Letexier is not on the list.) We won't really know until Feb but I feel comfortable the coachs are well aware of our defensive needs.

You are correct....another not on the list....also has verballed

Well if the list is so f***[*] inaccurate, why don't you disclose your info and make it MORE accurate?

Because I knew he verballed that day....but knew was tweeting it later that day so let him have that honor of letting people know. And now he is listed as verballing....also, I let Payton know more info via private message so he would be able to add to the list (knowing it was more than a rumor thus could be included in the "official" egriz verbal list).

I thought you were talking about ANOTHER not on the list.

 

[Ursus1]

You are correct....another not on the list....also has verballed

Well if the list is so f***[*] inaccurate, why don't you disclose your info and make it MORE accurate?

Because I knew he verballed that day....but knew was tweeting it laterg that day so let him have that honor of letting people know. And now he is listed as verballing....also, I let Payton know more info via private message so he would be able to add to the list (knowing it was more than a rumor thus could be included in the "official" egriz verbal list).

I thought you were talking about ANOTHER not on the list.

Nope my post on that was done between the tweets of the two. No other new verbals that I know of as of this second...

 

[PlayerRep]

Gregorak:
Blowing smoke? He was not weak (overall) in my opinion. I tried to say he was a very good LB coach and a very good motivator. And I must say he is a very nice guy and a friend of mine and has been in my house many times along with his wife. In my opinion he is not a great and brilliant defensive coach at this time in his career. Mick Delaney and Bobby Hauck both have mentioned simlar thoughts to me about Ty. They both think he is a good coach and a good guy with good future upside and I agree. This "stuff" is my just my opinion along with some others I do not care to mention.

It IS and WAS very obvious why Gregorak left the Griz. I have said my last on this topic.

Jeez, no one said he was "great and brilliant" defensive coach at this time. In my view, your are the one "blowing smoke", and most of what you just said is not true. Delaney supported TG for head coach, and pushed for him very hard. Bobby liked TG alot. Your "stuff" is just not accurate. You are either dilusional, or making up stuff. No credibility with me.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Gregorak:
Blowing smoke? He was not weak (overall) in my opinion. I tried to say he was a very good LB coach and a very good motivator. And I must say he is a very nice guy and a friend of mine and has been in my house many times along with his wife. In my opinion he is not a great and brilliant defensive coach at this time in his career. Mick Delaney and Bobby Hauck both have mentioned simlar thoughts to me about Ty. They both think he is a good coach and a good guy with good future upside and I agree. This "stuff" is my just my opinion along with some others I do not care to mention.

It IS and WAS very obvious why Gregorak left the Griz. I have said my last on this topic.

Jeez, no one said he was "great and brilliant" defensive coach at this time. In my view, your are the one "blowing smoke", and most of what you just said is not true. Delaney supported TG for head coach, and pushed for him very hard. Bobby liked TG alot. Your "stuff" is just not accurate. You are either dilusional, or making up stuff. No credibility with me.

Both claiming to know Ty. Both claiming to know BH and MD. Polar opposite stories...only on egriz.

 

[PlayerRep]

Gregorak:
Blowing smoke? He was not weak (overall) in my opinion. I tried to say he was a very good LB coach and a very good motivator. And I must say he is a very nice guy and a friend of mine and has been in my house many times along with his wife. In my opinion he is not a great and brilliant defensive coach at this time in his career. Mick Delaney and Bobby Hauck both have mentioned simlar thoughts to me about Ty. They both think he is a good coach and a good guy with good future upside and I agree. This "stuff" is my just my opinion along with some others I do not care to mention.

It IS and WAS very obvious why Gregorak left the Griz. I have said my last on this topic.

Jeez, no one said he was "great and brilliant" defensive coach at this time. In my view, your are the one "blowing smoke", and most of what you just said is not true. Delaney supported TG for head coach, and pushed for him very hard. Bobby liked TG alot. Your "stuff" is just not accurate. You are either dilusional, or making up stuff. No credibility with me.

Both claiming to know Ty. Both claiming to know BH and MD. Polar opposite stories...only on egriz.

Delaney was strongly and blatantly pushing for TG to be the head coach. He said that to scores of boosters and other people. Ask anyone in the know. Just not credible that Delaney would diss TG. I will guarantee that I know TG, Bobby and perhaps Mick too, better than this joker.

 

[getgrizzy]

Gregorak:
Blowing smoke? He was not weak (overall) in my opinion. I tried to say he was a very good LB coach and a very good motivator. And I must say he is a very nice guy and a friend of mine and has been in my house many times along with his wife. In my opinion he is not a great and brilliant defensive coach at this time in his career. Mick Delaney and Bobby Hauck both have mentioned simlar thoughts to me about Ty. They both think he is a good coach and a good guy with good future upside and I agree. This "stuff" is my just my opinion along with some others I do not care to mention.

It IS and WAS very obvious why Gregorak left the Griz. I have said my last on this topic.

Jeez, no one said he was "great and brilliant" defensive coach at this time. In my view, your are the one "blowing smoke", and most of what you just said is not true. Delaney supported TG for head coach, and pushed for him very hard. Bobby liked TG alot. Your "stuff" is just not accurate. You are either dilusional, or making up stuff. No credibility with me.

Both claiming to know Ty. Both claiming to know BH and MD. Polar opposite stories...only on egriz.

Delaney was strongly and blatantly pushing for TG to be the head coach. He said that to scores of boosters and other people. Ask anyone in the know. Just not credible that Delaney would diss TG. I will guarantee that I know TG, Bobby and perhaps Mick too, better than this joker.

I was never a TG fan, but I have to step in here and back PR in that Delaney was a big supporter of TG for head coach. Also, if Hauck said anything bad about TG it was probably due to them both in the running for the head coach job, because Hauck also likes TG.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

 

[Grizbeer]

This leads me to our brand new defensive coach. Will he be smart as far as planning his attack on our oponents? Will he have the raw-raw fire brand that we just lost? Can he get assistants to coach his way? Will Stitt let him coach his way? Will he bring talent to the front and develop second and third players and give them time to learn?

If the new DC does more "game planning" pre-game and less "pre-game" planning I am OK with that. Fewer flags on the tunnel run, more 3 & outs on opening drives is a good trade off in my opinion. We'll see if it happens.

 

[getgrizzy]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

True, but it's hard to argue with Mick Delaney. I know there are people on this board who think they know more about coaching football and football in general than Mick or any coach we've ever had, but I'll go with the opinion of a long time coach over anyone posting on this board.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I'm no TG fan, but to say that it was TG's lack of skill at coaching the defense that was the downfall of the team this year is incredibly stupid and that he was relieved of his duties midway through the year is equally dumb. Stitt had his hands full getting the offense going and it was bailed out by the defense and special teams numerous times this year (ISU, SDSU, NAU), while the offenses lack of production cost us games (Poly, WSU). An 8-5 team that you have to give credit to the defense for three wins and can blame the offense for two losses. The offense didn't win any games for us and the defense never lost any. The rest were team wins and losses. It's going to be an interesting season with a new DC, new DL coach and numerous defensive positions to fill.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

True, but it's hard to argue with Mick Delaney. I know there are people on this board who think they know more about coaching football and football in general than Mick or any coach we've ever had, but I'll go with the opinion of a long time coach over anyone posting on this board.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I'm no TG fan, but to say that it was TG's lack of skill at coaching the defense that was the downfall of the team this year is incredibly stupid and that he was relieved of his duties midway through the year is equally dumb. Stitt had his hands full getting the offense going and it was bailed out by the defense and special teams numerous times this year (ISU, SDSU, NAU), while the offenses lack of production cost us games (Poly, WSU). An 8-5 team that you have to give credit to the defense for three wins and can blame the offense for two losses. The offense didn't win any games for us and the defense never lost any. The rest were team wins and losses. It's going to be an interesting season with a new DC, new DL coach and numerous defensive positions to fill.

Look, we all get Mick's loyalty to Ty and why he supported Ty publicly for the HC position. I was merely commenting on what two posters relayed Mick told them in non-public public settings, and that I could believe he said to each of them what they posted. I'm sure that Mick knew intimately of any of Ty's shortcomings, and did whatever he could to help Ty address those and become a better DC.

 

[PlayerRep]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

True, but it's hard to argue with Mick Delaney. I know there are people on this board who think they know more about coaching football and football in general than Mick or any coach we've ever had, but I'll go with the opinion of a long time coach over anyone posting on this board.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I'm no TG fan, but to say that it was TG's lack of skill at coaching the defense that was the downfall of the team this year is incredibly stupid and that he was relieved of his duties midway through the year is equally dumb. Stitt had his hands full getting the offense going and it was bailed out by the defense and special teams numerous times this year (ISU, SDSU, NAU), while the offenses lack of production cost us games (Poly, WSU). An 8-5 team that you have to give credit to the defense for three wins and can blame the offense for two losses. The offense didn't win any games for us and the defense never lost any. The rest were team wins and losses. It's going to be an interesting season with a new DC, new DL coach and numerous defensive positions to fill.

Look, we all get Mick's loyalty to Ty and why he supported Ty publicly for the HC position. I was merely commenting on what two posters relayed Mick told them in non-public public settings, and that I could believe he said to each of them what they posted. I'm sure that Mick knew intimately of any of Ty's shortcomings, and did whatever he could to help Ty address those and become a better DC.

Oh, BS to that. Delaney was not two-faced. He was very supportive in TG. To the extent MD would have said something to this other joker, the joker is completely over-playing it. No coach is perfect. Any shortcomings that MD might have seen were completely overshadowed by his final conclusion that TG would be a good UM head coach. MD also thought TG was a very good DC.

 

[PlayerRep]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

True, but it's hard to argue with Mick Delaney. I know there are people on this board who think they know more about coaching football and football in general than Mick or any coach we've ever had, but I'll go with the opinion of a long time coach over anyone posting on this board.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I'm no TG fan, but to say that it was TG's lack of skill at coaching the defense that was the downfall of the team this year is incredibly stupid and that he was relieved of his duties midway through the year is equally dumb. Stitt had his hands full getting the offense going and it was bailed out by the defense and special teams numerous times this year (ISU, SDSU, NAU), while the offenses lack of production cost us games (Poly, WSU). An 8-5 team that you have to give credit to the defense for three wins and can blame the offense for two losses. The offense didn't win any games for us and the defense never lost any. The rest were team wins and losses. It's going to be an interesting season with a new DC, new DL coach and numerous defensive positions to fill.

First, thanks for the support. Second, I don't recall noticing substantive posts of yours like this one, that shows good knowledge of football and UM football. I will now have to look more closely in the future.

 

[Grisly Fan]

...The offense didn't win any games for us and the defense never lost any...

Perhaps semantics but I disagree for the first NDSU game. A win on the last play from scrimmage while giving up 35 points counts as a win for the offense in my view.

 

[garizzalies]

...The offense didn't win any games for us and the defense never lost any...

Perhaps semantics but I disagree for the first NDSU game. A win on the last play from scrimmage while giving up 35 points counts as a win for the offense in my view.

And I think you can make the argument that the D did lose at least the CP game. One or two tackles in bounds on the last series and we win that game. But, of course, we get the first down beforehand and its moot.

 

[grizindabox]

I want to add that when it comes to coaching....sometimes who you know is more important than how good of a coach you are.....

 

[poorgriz]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

True, but it's hard to argue with Mick Delaney. I know there are people on this board who think they know more about coaching football and football in general than Mick or any coach we've ever had, but I'll go with the opinion of a long time coach over anyone posting on this board.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I'm no TG fan, but to say that it was TG's lack of skill at coaching the defense that was the downfall of the team this year is incredibly stupid and that he was relieved of his duties midway through the year is equally dumb. Stitt had his hands full getting the offense going and it was bailed out by the defense and special teams numerous times this year (ISU, SDSU, NAU), while the offenses lack of production cost us games (Poly, WSU). An 8-5 team that you have to give credit to the defense for three wins and can blame the offense for two losses. The offense didn't win any games for us and the defense never lost any. The rest were team wins and losses. It's going to be an interesting season with a new DC, new DL coach and numerous defensive positions to fill.

First, thanks for the support. Second, I don't recall noticing substantive posts of yours like this one, that shows good knowledge of football and UM football. I will now have to look more closely in the future.

:roll: Wow. I wish there was a bigger eye roll icon... this is precious.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

You can like someone and still find fault with their game planning abilities. You can believe someone would make a fine head coach even though their game planning skills as an OC or DC might be lacking, especially if that person recognizes their weaknesses and can hire good talent for their OC and DC. I just don't see Umista's and PR's positions or information as mutually exclusive.

I can also believe a former coach might tell someone who is a close friend, guest at their house frequently, an honest assessment of his former DC's abilities and areas he needs improvement as a coordinator, that he wouldn't share with people who have a more public persona.

True, but it's hard to argue with Mick Delaney. I know there are people on this board who think they know more about coaching football and football in general than Mick or any coach we've ever had, but I'll go with the opinion of a long time coach over anyone posting on this board.

The fact Mick said TG should be the guy tells you a lot about where we are and why TG left. Stitt probably didn't like having a coach on staff that a lot of heavy hitters within the Griz football thought should be the head coach over him, but he signed him on anyway due to what Stitt believed was a very good coach in TG.

I'm no TG fan, but to say that it was TG's lack of skill at coaching the defense that was the downfall of the team this year is incredibly stupid and that he was relieved of his duties midway through the year is equally dumb. Stitt had his hands full getting the offense going and it was bailed out by the defense and special teams numerous times this year (ISU, SDSU, NAU), while the offenses lack of production cost us games (Poly, WSU). An 8-5 team that you have to give credit to the defense for three wins and can blame the offense for two losses. The offense didn't win any games for us and the defense never lost any. The rest were team wins and losses. It's going to be an interesting season with a new DC, new DL coach and numerous defensive positions to fill.

Look, we all get Mick's loyalty to Ty and why he supported Ty publicly for the HC position. I was merely commenting on what two posters relayed Mick told them in non-public public settings, and that I could believe he said to each of them what they posted. I'm sure that Mick knew intimately of any of Ty's shortcomings, and did whatever he could to help Ty address those and become a better DC.

Oh, BS to that. Delaney was not two-faced. He was very supportive in TG. To the extent MD would have said something to this other joker, the joker is completely over-playing it. No coach is perfect. Any shortcomings that MD might have seen were completely overshadowed by his final conclusion that TG would be a good UM head coach. MD also thought TG was a very good DC.

Nobody has said this but you. Mick can support Ty publicly and privately, while acknowledging deficiencies in private he doesn't speak about publicly, and not be two-faced. I wouldn't be surprised if Mick and Ty each have a list of things Ty could improve, but that doesn't mean Mick doesn't support Ty or Ty doesn't believe in himself. Your point seems to be simply trying all means to discredit Umista, making inferences that are not there. Face it, Mick has a lot of other friends and colleagues and suggesting you know what he would and wouldn't say to others who may know him better or be related by marriage or birth is a little presumptuous. The day any coach says they have arrived, know it all, and can't improve on perfection is they day they should get into broadcasting. I just don't see Mick acknowledging Ty has room to improve as negating his expressed public support.

 

[griz5700]

No.