grizcountry420
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SloStang said:
Classy.... :thumb:
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WHY??? Why EWU?
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Classy.... :thumb:
kemajic said:
That is flat out 100% hope and nothing else. Brand new HC, OD, O Line Coach, 5 new starters including QB... and you're going to be way better? I'll take that bet that your offense won't be as good as last year. What stats do you want to look at, total offense? Total games won? About time I updated my sig from the last time I lost a bet on here.
poorgriz said:
If JJ is back I believe that the Griz will be an offensive powerhouse next season and be better than last year's offense. I base this on several factors.
1. At the end of last season J.J. ran the zone read option to near perfection. It’s an offense that is based on timing, quick decision making and execution. Which are greatly enhanced by player experience. The zone read takes what the defense gives and when it is run well is extremely difficult to stop. Most of the key players are back and have the experience, timing and skills to be that much more effective this year.
2. A superb trio of running backs. I’m sure you remember Mr. Dan Moore from the recurring nightmare you’ve had since last November. He, Nguyen and Canada are poised to have outstanding seasons. The advantage to having 3 very good and very experienced running backs means we are much less susceptible to the impact of injuries.
3. An offensive line that has a lot of talent and had a lot of reps last year. Our O line is year in and year out the finest in the BSC.
4. Recruitment. Even with the loss of coaches UM has an edge in recruitment (although this advantage seems to be getting slimmer in recent years). Success begets success in recruitment and that is why UM tends to reload and not rebuild. We have the athletes to compete at the highest level of FSC.
5. Adversity. Already touched upon by Idagriz above. I think the adversity is going to be a huge motivating factor for the Griz this year.
These reasons coupled with a very promising TE and receiving corp give the Griz a very potent offense next season.
Ursa is dead on and that is a lot more than flat out 100% hope, Mr. poorgriz. You saw only a fraction of the offensive potential of this group last year. Your boys were manhandled on both sides of the ball, men against boys, and will be again. While the UM coaching changes could hurt the D, they will be a positive for the offense. Just watch.Ursa Major said:
moose/squirrel
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poorgriz said:
When you look at history, sure. :thumb:
AZGrizFan said:
Hahahahaha. Hell, at least it is better than the 80-20 blow out Weber suffered in 1999. Gratefully, I wasn't around for that one.
Then again, Weber has had some good showings in MIssoula. The playoff game in 08, even though a loss for the Wildcats, was a very competitive game and went into the second half of the fourth quarter till the Grizz finally ran away with it. Higgins first year the Cats lost 18-10 after some wild events. I think Weber had a 4th and Goal from the 45yard line, and finally there was Mac's first trip to Missoula the Cats lost 24-19. There have been a lot of close games in this series, and of course, well a bunch I don't like to remember :lol: (1999).
Can't knock this, Weber has Eastern, Cal Poly, and the Grizz (also McNeese St and unco) all at Stewart this year. I just ordered my season tickets. 1 out of 2500 YIKES!! If only the people along the Wasatch knew how good these games are going to be.
poorgriz - you might have a point with regard to the coaching changes IF the new HC and DC were indeed new to the program. They are not. Timm Rosenbach, the new OC is new to this staff but certainly not the Grizzlies and he comes in with an awfully respected resume. Of all the issues you cite as being problems for the Grizzlies this season, the coaching changes are probably the least of them.
Further I did not say anywhere that I thought the Grizzlies would simply pick up where they left off last season. I do not. I do not think they will be as dominant as they were last year and I fully expect them to lose more than one game in the regular season. I just don't think it will be to EWU for the reasons I mentioned previously.
Further I did not say anywhere that I thought the Grizzlies would simply pick up where they left off last season. I do not. I do not think they will be as dominant as they were last year and I fully expect them to lose more than one game in the regular season. I just don't think it will be to EWU for the reasons I mentioned previously.
WSUWALDO said:
Waldo,
I don’t get that. I have never understood that about Weber. I remember watching the UM games in '10 & '08 in Ogden on the internet and the crowds weren't there. These were good Weber State teams too playing against a rival with huge BSC implications. Is it just a basketball school? Is it just BYU country?
I went to school with a bunch of guys from Utah and they knew very little about Weber and seemed to care less. Most were BYU & Utah grads but Weber wasn't even on their radar. Even a kid that was from Ogden was apathetic.
What gives?
Meant to say Ursa is spot on.
Screamin_Eagle174
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I love how everything seen through maroon colored glasses is 100% correct and not hope at all. :lol:
I'm not saying the Griz will be terrible, because like always you have great fan support in a great stadium, and a lot of pretty good athletes. But there will be some significant hiccups in performance compared to recently (sans 2010) when you lose that much. Griz were touting that EWU would struggle without those rare playmakers like Taiwan and Sherritt... and we did (although losing both Johnson twins, Renard Williams, Brandon Kaufman, and 3 or 4 OL to injury had an impact too). Griz lose 8 or 9 starters on D, including one of those rare playmakers in Trumaine. Plus what, like 5 starters on offense as well? Who is JJ (if he's still enrolled come fall) gonna throw to? Didn't you lose a bunch of WRs? Yeah, your offense lit it up in spring practice... against your very young and inexperienced D. So will other teams in the Sky. It's just as likely that your D sucks as it is that your offense is going to be lights out. Likewise with EWU's spring game, it's just as likely that our offense sucked without BLM directing it (well Kaufman, Edwards, and Herd all sat out), as it is that our D, particularly our DL, is gonna be a force to be reckoned with this year.
Regardless, I expect EWU vs. UM to be yet another great game that will come down to the wire like it has virtually every year since I was a freshman at EWU in 2004.
I'm not saying the Griz will be terrible, because like always you have great fan support in a great stadium, and a lot of pretty good athletes. But there will be some significant hiccups in performance compared to recently (sans 2010) when you lose that much. Griz were touting that EWU would struggle without those rare playmakers like Taiwan and Sherritt... and we did (although losing both Johnson twins, Renard Williams, Brandon Kaufman, and 3 or 4 OL to injury had an impact too). Griz lose 8 or 9 starters on D, including one of those rare playmakers in Trumaine. Plus what, like 5 starters on offense as well? Who is JJ (if he's still enrolled come fall) gonna throw to? Didn't you lose a bunch of WRs? Yeah, your offense lit it up in spring practice... against your very young and inexperienced D. So will other teams in the Sky. It's just as likely that your D sucks as it is that your offense is going to be lights out. Likewise with EWU's spring game, it's just as likely that our offense sucked without BLM directing it (well Kaufman, Edwards, and Herd all sat out), as it is that our D, particularly our DL, is gonna be a force to be reckoned with this year.
Regardless, I expect EWU vs. UM to be yet another great game that will come down to the wire like it has virtually every year since I was a freshman at EWU in 2004.
Screamin_Eagle174
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But, to balance things out, here are reasons why EWU will have no problem beating the Griz, as observed through my red colored glasses:
1) Kyle Padron is head and shoulders, both literally and figuratively, above Bo Levi. More passing TDs, more passing yards, half the INTs in roughly the same amount of games at SMU. He's also 6'4, 233lbs, not some barely-six-foot, 205/210lb twink. In a year and a half there, he had 7 rushing TDs... he's not afraid of lowering his shoulder and getting the yardage. And for a big QB, he's just as mobile as BLM.
2) We have all of our WRs back. Two 6'3, 1000+yard guys from last year in Edwards and Herd who had a combined 26 TDs, plus 6'5 Kaufman who had 1000+ and 15 TDs in 2010. In fact, we have all of our offense back except our LT and Center. But we also have a lot of depth on the OL with 3 guys from last year getting a ton of playing time because of all the injuries. All of our RBs back... Mario will be a Junior, and like Mario, both Quincy Forte and Jordan Talley played as true freshmen last year, and will undoubtedly be better. Nowhere to go but up for the running game.
3) Our DL is deep and nasty. We lost Renard who was unstoppable when he brought his A game, but often didn't bring his A game. In his place, we have Andru Pulu, a transfer from UW who sat out last year because of academic transfer issues. He's got a mean streak, and will be a force on the line this year. We also have a bevy of upperclassmen DEs who have only gotten bigger and stronger, along with a few really talented RS freshmen and possibly a true freshman who could be seeing action. DL, by all accounts, is our most talented and deepest position outside of WR. Zach Johnson qualified for a medical RS, and will be back this year, probably at OLB instead of MLB.
4) We retain all of our coaches, and actually have gained a couple because we are no longer under probation by the NCAA for the BS from Wulff's years.
5) Our players will be hungrier and more motivated than ever before, after having won a NC, then failing to make it back to the playoffs to defend it last year. Hearing from the WRs and Padron... there is only one thing on their mind, and that's another National Championship for EWU.
6) We won 6/7 down the stretch last season despite playing without a lot of key guys on both sides of the ball because of injury.
7) We get the Griz at home on the red turf, where we're 10-2, and undefeated against the Griz.
:lol:
1) Kyle Padron is head and shoulders, both literally and figuratively, above Bo Levi. More passing TDs, more passing yards, half the INTs in roughly the same amount of games at SMU. He's also 6'4, 233lbs, not some barely-six-foot, 205/210lb twink. In a year and a half there, he had 7 rushing TDs... he's not afraid of lowering his shoulder and getting the yardage. And for a big QB, he's just as mobile as BLM.
2) We have all of our WRs back. Two 6'3, 1000+yard guys from last year in Edwards and Herd who had a combined 26 TDs, plus 6'5 Kaufman who had 1000+ and 15 TDs in 2010. In fact, we have all of our offense back except our LT and Center. But we also have a lot of depth on the OL with 3 guys from last year getting a ton of playing time because of all the injuries. All of our RBs back... Mario will be a Junior, and like Mario, both Quincy Forte and Jordan Talley played as true freshmen last year, and will undoubtedly be better. Nowhere to go but up for the running game.
3) Our DL is deep and nasty. We lost Renard who was unstoppable when he brought his A game, but often didn't bring his A game. In his place, we have Andru Pulu, a transfer from UW who sat out last year because of academic transfer issues. He's got a mean streak, and will be a force on the line this year. We also have a bevy of upperclassmen DEs who have only gotten bigger and stronger, along with a few really talented RS freshmen and possibly a true freshman who could be seeing action. DL, by all accounts, is our most talented and deepest position outside of WR. Zach Johnson qualified for a medical RS, and will be back this year, probably at OLB instead of MLB.
4) We retain all of our coaches, and actually have gained a couple because we are no longer under probation by the NCAA for the BS from Wulff's years.
5) Our players will be hungrier and more motivated than ever before, after having won a NC, then failing to make it back to the playoffs to defend it last year. Hearing from the WRs and Padron... there is only one thing on their mind, and that's another National Championship for EWU.
6) We won 6/7 down the stretch last season despite playing without a lot of key guys on both sides of the ball because of injury.
7) We get the Griz at home on the red turf, where we're 10-2, and undefeated against the Griz.
:lol: I'll stick my neck out and say we have another advantage and that would be vastly improved coaching and discipline. There were just too many inconsistencies the last two years that fall squarley into the hands of the head coach. Mistakes were made that previous coaches would have "fixed" instead of worked on. I'm not worried about defense, changes needed made. Towards the end of the season last year our blitzing was becoming so predictable, we were getting burned just often enough to hurt.
I'd like to see JJ if there isn't enough cloud to be distracting, but honestly we'll be fine without him.
I'd like to see JJ if there isn't enough cloud to be distracting, but honestly we'll be fine without him.
GrizMusician
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Screamin_Eagle174 said:But, to balance things out, here are reasons why EWU will have no problem beating the Griz, as observed through my red colored glasses:
1) Kyle Padron is head and shoulders, both literally and figuratively, above Bo Levi. More passing TDs, more passing yards, half the INTs in roughly the same amount of games at SMU. He's also 6'4, 233lbs, not some barely-six-foot, 205/210lb twink. In a year and a half there, he had 7 rushing TDs... he's not afraid of lowering his shoulder and getting the yardage. And for a big QB, he's just as mobile as BLM.
2) We have all of our WRs back. Two 6'3, 1000+yard guys from last year in Edwards and Herd who had a combined 26 TDs, plus 6'5 Kaufman who had 1000+ and 15 TDs in 2010. In fact, we have all of our offense back except our LT and Center. But we also have a lot of depth on the OL with 3 guys from last year getting a ton of playing time because of all the injuries. All of our RBs back... Mario will be a Junior, and like Mario, both Quincy Forte and Jordan Talley played as true freshmen last year, and will undoubtedly be better. Nowhere to go but up for the running game.
3) Our DL is deep and nasty. We lost Renard who was unstoppable when he brought his A game, but often didn't bring his A game. In his place, we have Andru Pulu, a transfer from UW who sat out last year because of academic transfer issues. He's got a mean streak, and will be a force on the line this year. We also have a bevy of upperclassmen DEs who have only gotten bigger and stronger, along with a few really talented RS freshmen and possibly a true freshman who could be seeing action. DL, by all accounts, is our most talented and deepest position outside of WR. Zach Johnson qualified for a medical RS, and will be back this year, probably at OLB instead of MLB.
4) We retain all of our coaches, and actually have gained a couple because we are no longer under probation by the NCAA for the BS from Wulff's years.
5) Our players will be hungrier and more motivated than ever before, after having won a NC, then failing to make it back to the playoffs to defend it last year. Hearing from the WRs and Padron... there is only one thing on their mind, and that's another National Championship for EWU.
6) We won 6/7 down the stretch last season despite playing without a lot of key guys on both sides of the ball because of injury.
7) We get the Griz at home on the red turf, where we're 10-2, and undefeated against the Griz.
All very valid points. I expect September 29th to be a very nerve wracking day for me!
WyomingGrizFan
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Screamin_Eagle174 said:
All of which should, especially the above cited, bring you victories in your first two games: Idaho and Washington State, which MSU should have done back in 2010. From therein EWU should be rated in the Top Five, at the very least, in the FCS Poll, throughout the rest of the season; unless, of course, hopefully, the Griz take you out before then.
Screamin_Eagle174
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WyomingGrizFan said:
I'm confident about beating Idaho, but WSU won't be the same team that MSU got two years ago. Wulff's recruiting and development has them on the verge of being a good football team. I think we'll have a decent shot like we did against UW, but we'll have to play out of our minds to pull it off. I see a 3-1 or 2-2 start to the season, finishing 9-2 or 8-3. WSU, UM, MSU, and CP are the games we could very easily lose, but I doubt we lose all 4. We'll beat one or two.
Talk DBs, please.Screamin_Eagle174 said:But, to balance things out, here are reasons why EWU will have no problem beating the Griz, as observed through my red colored glasses:
1) Kyle Padron is head and shoulders, both literally and figuratively, above Bo Levi. More passing TDs, more passing yards, half the INTs in roughly the same amount of games at SMU. He's also 6'4, 233lbs, not some barely-six-foot, 205/210lb twink. In a year and a half there, he had 7 rushing TDs... he's not afraid of lowering his shoulder and getting the yardage. And for a big QB, he's just as mobile as BLM.
2) We have all of our WRs back. Two 6'3, 1000+yard guys from last year in Edwards and Herd who had a combined 26 TDs, plus 6'5 Kaufman who had 1000+ and 15 TDs in 2010. In fact, we have all of our offense back except our LT and Center. But we also have a lot of depth on the OL with 3 guys from last year getting a ton of playing time because of all the injuries. All of our RBs back... Mario will be a Junior, and like Mario, both Quincy Forte and Jordan Talley played as true freshmen last year, and will undoubtedly be better. Nowhere to go but up for the running game.
3) Our DL is deep and nasty. We lost Renard who was unstoppable when he brought his A game, but often didn't bring his A game. In his place, we have Andru Pulu, a transfer from UW who sat out last year because of academic transfer issues. He's got a mean streak, and will be a force on the line this year. We also have a bevy of upperclassmen DEs who have only gotten bigger and stronger, along with a few really talented RS freshmen and possibly a true freshman who could be seeing action. DL, by all accounts, is our most talented and deepest position outside of WR. Zach Johnson qualified for a medical RS, and will be back this year, probably at OLB instead of MLB.
4) We retain all of our coaches, and actually have gained a couple because we are no longer under probation by the NCAA for the BS from Wulff's years.
5) Our players will be hungrier and more motivated than ever before, after having won a NC, then failing to make it back to the playoffs to defend it last year. Hearing from the WRs and Padron... there is only one thing on their mind, and that's another National Championship for EWU.
6) We won 6/7 down the stretch last season despite playing without a lot of key guys on both sides of the ball because of injury.
7) We get the Griz at home on the red turf, where we're 10-2, and undefeated against the Griz.
