Why Simis was Third String.

[FCSwatcher]

EWU isn't successful because of the mythical "offense" that everyone prays to. Baldwin coaches what he gets, and does a damn good job of it.[/quote]

Yep. It's a coach's job to coach. We can wait years to get and develop the players that fit the HC's system perfectly or, in the meantime, we can do what is necessary to succeed with (and for) the players we have now (while on the road to installing Stitt's mythical offense.). Right now, we appear to have two QB options, neither of which completely fit the Stitt offense and both if which need some improvement. Yes, those players need to execute; but more and more I see the situation as a need for Coach Stitt (scheme) and Coach Selle (getting most out of players) to do their thing.[/quote]

Devil's advocate. Could it be coach Stitt has never coached at this level, and doesn't grasp the increase of speed in the defense at this level? In most sports there are things, techniques, that work at lower levels, and do not transition well at the next level. Maybe, just maybe the Coach is not up to speed.

 

[kemajic]

Devil's advocate. Could it be coach Stitt has never coached at this level, and doesn't grasp the increase of speed in the defense at this level? In most sports there are things, techniques, that work at lower levels, and do not transition well at the next level. Maybe, just maybe the Coach is not up to speed.

Could be; was always my concern with the hire. Baldwin made a seamless jump from DII, but he had previously been OC at EWU.

 

[grizindabox]

Devil's advocate. Could it be coach Stitt has never coached at this level, and doesn't grasp the increase of speed in the defense at this level? In most sports there are things, techniques, that work at lower levels, and do not transition well at the next level. Maybe, just maybe the Coach is not up to speed.

Could be; was always my concern with the hire. Baldwin made a seamless jump from DII, but he had previously been OC at EWU.

I guess that UNLV is hosed...

 

[UMGriz75]

Lets play with the whole deck. We had 69 plays against UND so you suggest that was key to the result. We had 71 plays against Liberty, 72 plays against Weber, including OT and 64 plays against PSU, all losses. Our wins average 83 plays and our losses average 75 plays. No coincidences; where is your point?

Well, these looked odd to me, so I spot-checked PSU.

UM's report on the PSU game shows 83 offensive plays.

If you are just making numbers up to argue, let's just not. If its just a slip-up, please check the numbers.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Devil's advocate. Could it be coach Stitt has never coached at this level, and doesn't grasp the increase of speed in the defense at this level? In most sports there are things, techniques, that work at lower levels, and do not transition well at the next level. Maybe, just maybe the Coach is not up to speed.

Could be; was always my concern with the hire. Baldwin made a seamless jump from DII, but he had previously been OC at EWU.

This offense works for Bowling Green.

 

[Stanley]

Guess what Baldwin recruits the type of QB that fits best with what he wants, he doesn't just settle for what he gets, he is not going to recruit a QB only capable of running option when he has a pro-style passing offense, he is not going to recruit a noodle armed QB, I can't believe you actually believe that a coach gets stuck with a guy, he recruits guys that fit his mold.

You are classic. If I asked you what his "mold" was, of course, we'd get the usual non-answer, except maybe "fast, smart, agile, and a good thrower." There's not a single other coach that is out there recruiting for that, is there, so Baldwin gets them all to come to Cheney?

75, what does Stitt look for in a QB? How about Baldwin? I encourage anyone to answer these 2 questions and be as specific as possible. I look forward to Stitt and Baldwin posting, since outside of each, no one else on the board can specifically answer the question.

Maybe this will help! When scouts or coaches examine a quarterback’s potential to play in the NFL, they run down a checklist of physical, mental, and personality traits that affect a quarterback’s success on the field. The following list gives the main criteria necessary to excel. If a quarterback has five of these seven traits, he undoubtedly ranks among the top 15 players at his position:

Competitivenes
Intelligence
Mobility
Release
Heighth
Weight
Vision

 

[UMGriz75]

The following list gives the main criteria necessary to excel. If a quarterback has five of these seven traits, he undoubtedly ranks among the top 15 players at his position:

Competitivenes
Intelligence
Mobility
Release
Heighth
Weight
Vision

That works. And everybody wants the best guy! Given his current situation, what would Stitt be looking for that would distinguish him from any other coach?

 

[UMGriz75]

He is basically saying that Simis is a below average QB.

With above average stats. Uh huh.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

He is basically saying that Simis is a below average QB.

With above average stats. Uh huh.

With 1 above average game and 2 below average games. Small sample size, so we will see which way he trends. I have my suspicions though.

 

[UMGriz75]

75, do you think Stitt knows what he is looking for in a QB? If you do, then the Griz should be fine. If you don't, then they are in trouble. It doesn't really matter what you or I think he wants in a QB.

Do you live in the real world?

Is there ever a college coach that doesn't "know what he is looking for in a QB?"

Seriously? Which one?

Aside from the fact that may be the dumbest question ever asked, it is meaningless.

If they DO know what they are looking for, do they always find them?

And if they find them, does that mean the coach suddenly becomes a winning coach?

Are you that naive?

Or do you mean "we'll be fine because Stitt?"

 

[UMGriz75]

If finding players and projecting how they turn out was so easy, then you wouldn't have NFL busts like Ryan Leaf.

That's precisely my point. Good job.

 

[nzone]

He does have a share of the most touchdowns thrown by a QB in a game for UM at 6.
Hope he breaks it this weekend. Third string or not.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

75, do you think Stitt knows what he is looking for in a QB? If you do, then the Griz should be fine. If you don't, then they are in trouble. It doesn't really matter what you or I think he wants in a QB.

Do you live in the real world?

Is there ever a college coach that doesn't "know what he is looking for in a QB?"

Seriously? Which one?

Aside from the fact that may be the dumbest question ever asked, it is meaningless.

If they DO know what they are looking for, do they always find them?

And if they find them, does that mean the coach suddenly becomes a winning coach?

Are you that naive?

Or do you mean "we'll be fine because Stitt?"

I already stated that a coach almost always doesn't find everything they are looking for in a QB recruit, but they can find recruits that offer a majority of what they would like in a QB. Is that a fair statement 75? It is true they get what they get, but they usually go after and get guys that meet a majority of what they would like to have. They don't all pan out, but it is not like they just get what they get without any consideration, they don't just recruit anyone, they recruit the kids that fulfill most of what they are looking for. That is what you continually want to discredit in your argument.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

If finding players and projecting how they turn out was so easy, then you wouldn't have NFL busts like Ryan Leaf.

That's precisely my point. Good job.

But a coach still has certain things he looks for when recruiting. He may get what he gets, but since he is only recruiting a certain group of players, players that he believes meets what he wants in a QB, he usually gets what he gets from that group of players. And if he gets what he gets from that group of players, then he gets a guy he believes is capable of working within his scheme. A coach does not recruit a QB that he doesn't believe will fit within his scheme, so those players are not part of his "he will get what he gets" group.

 

[PlayerRep]

Brady throws long just fine, and has a very strong arm.

 

[UMGriz75]

No one said that Stitt would find his ideal QB, what everyone is saying is he will find QB's as close to his ideal as possible.

Actually, neither you nor your little friend said that.

But, it is interesting to see you now say that "he will find QB's as close to his ideal as possible."

And I keep asking you, "which coach doesn't do exactly that?"

What makes that so remarkable about Stitt?

I'm the one who said they look for the best, and settle for who they can recruit.

And they are generally not the same.

Indeed, that they will look a lot like current players because that's what's out there.

But then they "coach."

 

[UMGriz75]

But a coach still has certain things he looks for when recruiting. He may get what he gets, but since he is only recruiting a certain group of players, players that he believes meets what he wants in a QB, he usually gets what he gets from that group of players. And if he gets what he gets from that group of players, then he gets a guy he believes is capable of working within his scheme. A coach does not recruit a QB that he doesn't believe will fit within his scheme, so those players are not part of his "he will get what he gets" group.

Good grief. In other words, if his recruits do a good job, they are good recruits, and if they don't, they aren't.

Stitt's 2nd and 3rd QB recruits at CSM fell flat on their faces when called upon this season executing very much the same scheme. Lost every game, some by big margins. Is that what he "wanted," as you say, and therefore "got?" Recruits? Strategy? Coaching?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

No one said that Stitt would find his ideal QB, what everyone is saying is he will find QB's as close to his ideal as possible.

Actually, neither you nor your little friend said that.

But, it is interesting to see you now say that "he will find QB's as close to his ideal as possible."
I had said that from the beginning.

And I keep asking you, "which coach doesn't do exactly that?"

What makes that so remarkable about Stitt?

I'm the one who said they look for the best, and settle for who they can recruit.
Not what you said at all, you said "they get who they get" which is neither the same nor accurate

And they are generally not the same.

Indeed, that they will look a lot like current players because that's what's out there.
Blanket statement and not necessarily accurate

But then they "coach."

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

But a coach still has certain things he looks for when recruiting. He may get what he gets, but since he is only recruiting a certain group of players, players that he believes meets what he wants in a QB, he usually gets what he gets from that group of players. And if he gets what he gets from that group of players, then he gets a guy he believes is capable of working within his scheme. A coach does not recruit a QB that he doesn't believe will fit within his scheme, so those players are not part of his "he will get what he gets" group.

Good grief. In other words, if his recruits do a good job, they are good recruits, and if they don't, they aren't.

Stitt's 2nd and 3rd QB recruits at CSM fell flat on their faces when called upon this season executing very much the same scheme. Lost every game, some by big margins. Is that what he "wanted," as you say, and therefore "got?" Recruits? Strategy? Coaching?

Did you even read the post. Not sure anywhere I state that all recruits work out, what I did state was that a coach looks for certain traits and skills in a player and from this group of players he recruits. He recruits kids that he believes can be the type of player he wants. He doesn't leave it to fate and then try to make it work. I am guessing if he recruited the kid, then he saw something that made him believe the kid could play, whether the kid actually pans out is an entirely different argument, because if you haven't noticed, no coach hits on 100% of the kids they recruit, but they all saw something in that kid to believe he could.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I understand why Simis was 3rd string. Although he has the physical skills to perform, I don't think he responds well to coaching. The widespread criticism that he consistently looks down his primary receiver and refuses to, or can't, find secondarys, was true in Spring scrimmages and in his most recent game against ISU. Zero progress. Although more mobile than Gus and and bigger than Chad, he hasn't demonstrated the ability to run unless it's an open field. The ISU game featured him on the read option in the opening series, with mixed results. After two fumbles and an interception, Stitt met Simis on the sideline and "chewed" vigorously. I thought it well deserved, but Simis didn't respond the way a confident, competitive QB should have. Upon his return he played even more tentatively. Andrew Selle, QB coach? needs to intercede and get this young man "leveled out" emotionally and convince him to abandon his bad habits and to aggressively seize the opportunity he's been given.

I did not like the ass chewing Stitts gave Simis last Saturday. Its the first time I've had a problem with Stitts. I think having Selle intercede is a great idea and hope this threat gets read.

Why can Stitt not get mad at a kid who isnt performing?