Why Simis was Third String.

[rimrockgriz]

The game is too fast for this q.b. Seriously...he handed the ball over to the opposing defense in the first series in "TWO" overtime contests. Who are we f.....g kidding? Hey, I don't give a sh!t who starts on Saturday. I just want to sit in Wa-Griz and see a "W" put on the board. I'm sick and tired of losing to E-Woo... :egriz:

 

[kemajic]

Makena mentioned that he had to rely on JN to block in order to even get off throws, because he felt the pocket was collapsing too soon. Stitt, second-guessing his QB, screamed at him that it wasn't collapsing, from what he "could see" from the sideline, even though this has not been a strong OL by all accounts.

Stitt screams at him to step up in the pocket, which any QB with pocket presence learns. He is unable to do that and the happy feet take over; this probably worked for him in HS. The OL is taking too much criticism for this; as Stitt says, the pocket is there, it only "collapses" on the edges, which he often runs right into when he bails from the pocket. Gus has a huge advantage in this area because of his height and resulting vision.

 

[grizzpa]

Gus doesn't leave the pocket because of his height or skill - he doesn't leave because he's the slowest player on the entire field. He peaked in the 1st game of the season and was going downhill when injured.

 

[UMGriz75]

At the recruiting banquet in Kalispell, Stitt went on for 5-10 minutes what he looks for in a qb. He was pretty damn concise on it too. He kept it short due to time restrictions. I bet he could have talked hours maybe days about his strategy and qb play. The guy is damn smart and intriguing to listen to.

Every coach has an ideal for their athlete positions. I do. I could talk about it for hours and days, and have even written articles on it, and am completing a book on "coaching" in my sport, a 40 year retrospect.

There's no point in belaboring the limitations on "finding" the ideal. If he's out there, he's probably also going to Pac-10.

 

[Umista]

Railing against Simis? First time on the field throws six TDs? Receives player of the week from the conference?
Sophmore, first time playing has now a total of 3 games under his belt? One great, one fair and one bad?
Last season was the player of the year on the Griz scout team? Can not be coached because his mother was married to his father and coached by his father and threw footballs to his mother? His butt gets chewed out by his coach (Stitt)?

I like all of you Griz fans but give this young man a brake (not break) because he is our QB. Period.

Soon Gus will be back at QB and you can bitch about him because he is to tall and can't run fast. In any event lets give it a rest because we ain't changing one damn thing and we have good young men doing the best they can. The QB coach would be the person to rail on if you like complaining and that is one person that could go if he is at fault.

 

[UMGriz75]

The game is too fast for this q.b.

And this team. At least somebody can see this.

Yes. Note the stats that show that Stitt tried to speed up the ISU game to his "base strategy" of 90 plays. Under Stitt, CSM had an average of 2 fumbles per game. With players Stitt recruited.

Compare with the zero fumbles or interceptions, and season high score of the Griz, as well as its largest win margin, with a 69 play strategy.

 

[mikegriz]

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EWU isn't successful because of the mythical "offense" that everyone prays to. Baldwin coaches what he gets, and does a damn good job of it.[/quote]

Yep. It's a coach's job to coach. We can wait years to get and develop the players that fit the HC's system perfectly or, in the meantime, we can do what is necessary to succeed with (and for) the players we have now (while on the road to installing Stitt's mythical offense.). Right now, we appear to have two QB options, neither of which completely fit the Stitt offense and both if which need some improvement. Yes, those players need to execute; but more and more I see the situation as a need for Coach Stitt (scheme) and Coach Selle (getting most out of players) to do their thing.

 

[kemajic]

The game is too fast for this q.b.

And this team. At least somebody can see this.

Yes. Note the stats that shows that Stitt tried to speed up the ISU game to his "base strategy" of 90 plays.

Compare with the zero fumbles or interceptions, and season high score of the Griz, as well as its largest win margin, with a 69 play strategy.

The 69 was more likely an outcome than a strategy. Key to that game was bypassing the red zone, where we typically stall.

 

[UMGriz75]

Gus has a huge advantage in this area because of his height and resulting vision.

How does this "advantage" produce, consistently, a 33% third down conversion rate, the lowest in the conference? I'm genuinely curious as to how this "huge advantage" shows up in the statistical record.

And how does a 45% conversion rate prove "happy feet?"

The problem with this whole conversation is the fact that the actual results show that the guy who allegedly can read his options has such dismal results while the guy who allegedly can't read his options, has such so much better results.

Saying it over and over doesn't overcome the fact that what is "claimed" about Brady shows up nowhere in the statistical record.

 

[kemajic]

Gus has a huge advantage in this area because of his height and resulting vision.

How does this "advantage" produce, consistently, a 33% third down conversion rate, the lowest in the conference? I'm genuinely curious as to how this "huge advantage" shows up in the statistical record.

And how does a 45% conversion rate prove "happy feet?"

The problem with this whole conversation is the fact that the actual results show that the guy who allegedly can read his options has such dismal results while the guy who allegedly can't read his options, has such so much better results.
Saying it over and over doesn't overcome the fact that what is "claimed" about Brady shows up nowhere in the statistical record.

Really? 434 yards passing and a win against the #1 team in the nation can be found if you want to look for it. Gus found a weak DB and exploited it ruthlessly. Three ints in one quarter can also be found if you want to look for it - against the only real pass defense Simis has faced. But those are to be overlooked when you're trying to make your point with one down "stats."

 

[UMGriz75]

The 69 was more likely an outcome than a strategy. Key to that game was bypassing the red zone, where we typically stall.

Well, at some point, any result must reflect something else; the fact is, as noted, ISU perhaps played too fast for this QB. It may be just an amazing coincidence that a demonstrably slower game had such outstanding results, and fully exploited the skills of the QB and the WRs, whereas no other game this season has been able to do so.

I'm personally not big on coincidences.

 

[UMGriz75]

Guess what Baldwin recruits the type of QB that fits best with what he wants, he doesn't just settle for what he gets, he is not going to recruit a QB only capable of running option when he has a pro-style passing offense, he is not going to recruit a noodle armed QB, I can't believe you actually believe that a coach gets stuck with a guy, he recruits guys that fit his mold.

You are classic. If I asked you what his "mold" was, of course, we'd get the usual non-answer, except maybe "fast, smart, agile, and a good thrower." There's not a single other coach that is out there recruiting for that, is there, so Baldwin gets them all to come to Cheney?

 

[UMGriz75]

Gus found a weak DB and exploited it ruthlessly. Three ints in one quarter can also be found if you want to look for it - against the only real pass defense Simis has faced. But those are to be overlooked when you're trying to make your point with one down "stats."

The win was hardly "ruthless," but I did point out that Gus had a 14.4 yard average throw in that game, with lots and lots of ruthless commentary from the announcers about overthrows and miscommunications and a less-than-confidence inspiring, if thrilling, very last second win. Nothing "ruthless" about it.

And that Gus's throwing stats dropped in half after that, because Stitt saw exactly what I see; Brady can't throw long, and the only benefit of always overthrowing on long balls is that nobody on either side is usually out there and so interception risk is low. Throwing shorter balls, oops, three interceptions next game.

But, if you can't throw long, then you lose the WR talents that are exceptional on this team.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

At the recruiting banquet in Kalispell, Stitt went on for 5-10 minutes what he looks for in a qb. He was pretty damn concise on it too. He kept it short due to time restrictions. I bet he could have talked hours maybe days about his strategy and qb play. The guy is damn smart and intriguing to listen to.

Every coach has an ideal for their athlete positions. I do. I could talk about it for hours and days, and have even written articles on it, and am completing a book on "coaching" in my sport, a 40 year retrospect.

There's no point in belaboring the limitations on "finding" the ideal. If he's out there, he's probably also going to Pac-10.

75, read this and think about it for a minute. No one said that Stitt would find his ideal QB, what everyone is saying is he will find QB's as close to his ideal as possible. Now I know instead of really thinking about it and saying "that makes sense" you are going to spout something out like "then tell me, what are the traits he is looking for in his ideal QB?". Well as I belive Kem stated, Stitt knows what he is looking for in a QB, and what I think he needs to look for is irrelevant. Once again, everyone on this board knows that he won't find the QB that is his ideal, so give it a break that Stitt can not find a QB because they will go to a higher level. He will find guys that are close to his ideal as possible, it does seem he had success at CSM, which I would naturally assume is more difficult to recruit to than Montana. Unless of course you want to debate that also.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

you know why Simis was third string....because there were 2 QB's on the roster that Stitt felt executed the offense better ...

And didn't.

That's the problem.

I know....so why do you think Simis is the answer....he hasn't executed the offense well either....seems to me that there is not a QB on the roster that is the answer....what do you say 75?

Well, that's the question, isn't it? Coach or players? You beg the question, "the offense." There is a theoretical construct there that no one seems to be able to execute, and Stitt's second and third string recruits at CSM can't either.

EWU isn't successful because of the mythical "offense" that everyone prays to. Baldwin coaches what he gets, and does a damn good job of it. Most coaches are stuck with that due to lack of premonition, magic, Unicorns, and the vast insight of people like grizindabox or helenahandbasket that never seems to actually know what they are talking about when asked. In particular, the geniuses don't know that 17 year old kids and 21 year old kids can be vastly different and that the transition from one to the other is very often much less predictable than the blind hero worship of Bob Stitt which acknowledges no such realities. And that's not Bob Stitt's fault.

This early in the switch, I will lean towards players are the reason for a lack of execution. If it continues through the next few years, after Stitt is able to have his own recruits in the program, then I will start to lean the other way. And the mythical offense comment is just dumb. Also, everyone knows that not all kids pan out, but that doesn't mean that certain player traits aren't better or preferred by coaches or within certain schemes. If finding players and projecting how they turn out was so easy, then you wouldn't have NFL busts like Ryan Leaf. I don't understand why some of this is just too difficult for you to admit. I also have no blind hero worship of Stitt, that is your own little way to spin the fact that people disagree with the premise of your entire argument. I could spin it the other way and state that you have blind condemnation of Stitt.

 

[Umista]

Yo. Simis can throw the long ball and that is a favorite thing of mine when I watch a QB. Like 75 mentioned Gus can toss the short ball but often over throws the long ball. Simis has not been super great on the short throws.
My suggestion for coach Stitt is substitute each QB in for the long and short situations. I now realize I should be coaching the offense as this idea will work and we will win on out. I'm calling Stitt right now.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

The game is too fast for this q.b.

And this team. At least somebody can see this.

Yes. Note the stats that show that Stitt tried to speed up the ISU game to his "base strategy" of 90 plays. Under Stitt, CSM had an average of 2 fumbles per game. With players Stitt recruited.

Compare with the zero fumbles or interceptions, and season high score of the Griz, as well as its largest win margin, with a 69 play strategy.

You do realize that what he means is the game of college football is too fast for him and it has nothing to do with whether the time between plays is 19 seconds or 22 seconds. He is basically saying that Simis is a below average QB.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Guess what Baldwin recruits the type of QB that fits best with what he wants, he doesn't just settle for what he gets, he is not going to recruit a QB only capable of running option when he has a pro-style passing offense, he is not going to recruit a noodle armed QB, I can't believe you actually believe that a coach gets stuck with a guy, he recruits guys that fit his mold.

You are classic. If I asked you what his "mold" was, of course, we'd get the usual non-answer, except maybe "fast, smart, agile, and a good thrower." There's not a single other coach that is out there recruiting for that, is there, so Baldwin gets them all to come to Cheney?

75, what does Stitt look for in a QB? How about Baldwin? I encourage anyone to answer these 2 questions and be as specific as possible. I look forward to Stitt and Baldwin posting, since outside of each, no one else on the board can specifically answer the question.

 

[kemajic]

The 69 was more likely an outcome than a strategy. Key to that game was bypassing the red zone, where we typically stall.

Well, at some point, any result must reflect something else; the fact is, as noted, ISU perhaps played too fast for this QB. It may be just an amazing coincidence that a demonstrably slower game had such outstanding results, and fully exploited the skills of the QB and the WRs, whereas no other game this season has been able to do so.

I'm personally not big on coincidences.

Lets play with the whole deck. We had 69 plays against UND so you suggest that was key to the result. We had 71 plays against Liberty, 72 plays against Weber, including OT and 64 plays against PSU, all losses. Our wins average 83 plays and our losses average 75 plays. No coincidences; where is your point?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Yo. Simis can throw the long ball and that is a favorite thing of mine when I watch a QB. Like 75 mentioned Gus can toss the short ball but often over throws the long ball. Simis has not been super great on the short throws.
My suggestion for coach Stitt is substitute each QB in for the long and short situations. I now realize I should be coaching the offense as this idea will work and we will win on out. I'm calling Stitt right now.

I might suggest finding a center that can snap a really long shotgun. Then we can put Simis 20-25 yards behind center which will allow him to throw the 5-10 yard routes with a longer ball since he struggles with the short ball.