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Why Rob Ash will not win a NC

get'em_griz

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A former bobcat player wrote on bobcatnation what it was like playing for Rob Ash, and why he feels Rob will never win a NC for MSU.

As an x player, I have been there through the thick and thin with my team, and experienced the change of the program from the 2008 season to what it is now. I almost am out of room on my hand for championship rings, have more memories than I know what to do with and have a quality education from one of the best schools I could have possibly gone to. And I had the PRIVELEDGE of playing in front of a brand new stadium filled with the BEST fans in the Big Sky Conference (provided we were winning). My experiences as a Bobcat player will be cherished for many years to come, but on the inside I know we were capable of so much more. I have waited several years to post on here, but I decided finally that I could after having a couple conversations with some of my old teammates.

Coach Kane Ioane should be the head coach of the Montana State Bobcats.

Coach Ash has done some GREAT things with AMAZING players. But as I’ve read on here many times before, people know he’s not going to be THE GUY who LEADS us to a National Championship victory. As a player awaiting the kickoff, I would dread listening to the man talk. It was as if he had stuck us with a needle and we were being slowly deflated. When he spoke to us in one on one situations, it was evident we were merely numbers on a roster, and when the time came around he would put you in front of himself to save face to whatever degree he could. Ash on McGhee and his affiliation with the Greek system being one of the main reasons the season took a downhill turn was a shocking and eye opening reminder of that. Even Denarius McGhee, DMac, “In McGhee we trust” wasn’t safe from being Coach Ash’s body armor, minutes after the season ended.

We used to embrace guys like Mike Rider and Mike Person on the team. We wanted them to push the team, on and off the field. They weren’t afraid to call people out and get them going. Lighting that fire under the players falling behind is what lead us to 3 straight BSC titles. The killer instinct the team had as a unit was slowly pushed down, turned softer and made more “brand friendly”. This past season, it was made extremely clear that “getting on people” over their commitment was not acceptable whatsoever. The talent of the players on the team was greater, but the will to win, the killer instinct wasn’t there anymore; it had been snuffed out by Ash. For what reason exactly, nobody was sure. It was a several year process though. In the state of Montana, the Bobcats keep getting compared to the Grizzlies. This killed me as a player, but one thing was evident. They wanted to kill us. It wasn’t BTC, it was FTC. There were no team meetings in Missoula over FTC being on someone’s Facebook after a volleyball rivalry win. My friend who played LB there sent me a video of Coach Paulsen walking into their team meeting room with a Bobcat helmet and a crowbar. He destroyed the helmet. He was sitting there, defacing MY TEAM, yet I was ready to go to war for that man because of his passion towards what was coming their way. We were sitting in Bozeman, positive Fletcher was going to win the game for us chanting BTG and listening to a radio edited version of a pep talk from Coach Ash. (We lost that game) It may be against the rules on this blog, but even on their down years, years with players making horrible decisions, life altering things happening, they were still able to make a run in the playoffs, save 1. Maybe Coach can learn something about that fire from the guys across the divide.

Someone I wanted to go out and die for on the field and in the weight room (besides my team) was Coach Ioane. That man is going to be something special in the coaching world; I just hope it happens in Bozeman. Coach Ash talked about having a “Swagger” as a team. Coach Ioane lives that Swag. Sadly, I didn’t have the honor to have him as a position coach, but that doesn’t mean I didn’t take things from his teachings on a regular basis. He’s one of those people who will take no prisoners, die for the man beside him or playing for him and when it comes time to walk the walk, he’ll sprint straight on head first into a wood chipper if he’s going to get his people ready to go and destroy the opposition. Aside from being a phenomenal players coach, he’s obviously one of the smartest coaches we have on the staff, and still very close to the youngest, if not the youngest. That swagger, his smarts and his understanding of selling out is what makes me want to play for him. All of that is what would make him a National Championship game winning coach. However, while Fields is still the AD, I really don’t see Ash having to relinquish his spot atop MSU football.

From the inside point of view; if you want to Win the National Championship, a coaching change is needed. Ioane is a great place to start. Prukop too.

Funny how many cat fans are now finally realizing what most of us have realized for several years now... Rob Ash can't win big games.
 
OptimusPrime said:
Well this should be fun. I can't wait for the puns!
The BCN thread is already fun enough

I don't find this "revelation" surprising at all. This is already the growing sentiment in Bozeman. Funny how expectations can change in several years.

Seriously though, the best thing about Delaney is his age. We aren't stuck with him for another decade like they are.
 
OptimusPrime said:
Well this should be fun. I can't wait for the puns!

It's definitely interesting getting the perspective of a former player. Too often, fans don't know what goes on in the huddle.
 
I find it notable that the qualities this former player identifies as the most noteworthy are passion and ability to get the team motivated. Not tactics, or anything strategic, rather the personal skill set is what he identifies with and are what I immediately think of when Gregorak is discussed. People can pick at him left and right, but I am thankful for the passion and enthusiasm he brings. Just my :twocents:.
 
The Grizzly bear looks over at the Cat locker room...
Sniffs...
Looks away...
Saunters off to something more interesting.
 
Everyone on this board knows that Ash has been a wet noodle for years. This isn't anything surprising.
 
Probably would never happen but I would enjoy the reaction over there if Kane Ioane became a finalist and was hired to be Montana's next HC.
 
"Re: Are Cats cursed with mediocrity?

Post by PlayerRep » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:01 pm

Besides the things already mentioned, Ash is a not an inspirational coach. He's apparently one of the all-time worst in that regard."
 
BWahlberg said:
Probably would never happen but I would enjoy the reaction over there if Kane Ioane became a finalist and was hired to be Montana's next HC.

:lol: That would be great watching the meltdown that would occur with cat fans if that were to happen.
 
get'em_griz said:
BWahlberg said:
Probably would never happen but I would enjoy the reaction over there if Kane Ioane became a finalist and was hired to be Montana's next HC.

:lol: That would be great watching the meltdown that would occur with cat fans if that were to happen.



:lol:
 
grizfan95 said:
I find it notable that the qualities this former player identifies as the most noteworthy are passion and ability to get the team motivated. Not tactics, or anything strategic, rather the personal skill set is what he identifies with and are what I immediately think of when Gregorak is discussed. People can pick at him left and right, but I am thankful for the passion and enthusiasm he brings. Just my :twocents:.


Ive knocked on him a few times but you are right he does coach the game with passion and enthusiasm. I do like that about him too.. Good post.
 
grizcountry420 said:
grizfan95 said:
I find it notable that the qualities this former player identifies as the most noteworthy are passion and ability to get the team motivated. Not tactics, or anything strategic, rather the personal skill set is what he identifies with and are what I immediately think of when Gregorak is discussed. People can pick at him left and right, but I am thankful for the passion and enthusiasm he brings. Just my :twocents:.


Ive knocked on him a few times but you are right he does coach the game with passion and enthusiasm. I do like that about him too.. Good post.

That kind of passion is something that i think Bobby Hauck brought to the team when he was HC. Aside from going 0-3 in the NC, it seemed that his teams responded well to him, and it showed especially in the '09 comeback against SDSU and the App State game, plus numerous other games as well. That's the kind of passion I want to see in our next head coach. That's not what you see with Ash.
 
PlayerRep said:
"Re: Are Cats cursed with mediocrity?

Post by PlayerRep » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:01 pm

Besides the things already mentioned, Ash is a not an inspirational coach. He's apparently one of the all-time worst in that regard."
:pray: :pray: :pray:
That must have been one satisfying pat on the back...
 
PlayerRep said:
"Re: Are Cats cursed with mediocrity?

Post by PlayerRep » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:01 pm

Besides the things already mentioned, Ash is a not an inspirational coach. He's apparently one of the all-time worst in that regard."


pat.gif
 
OptimusPrime said:
PlayerRep said:
"Re: Are Cats cursed with mediocrity?

Post by PlayerRep » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:01 pm

Besides the things already mentioned, Ash is a not an inspirational coach. He's apparently one of the all-time worst in that regard."
:pray: :pray: :pray:
That must have been one satisfying pat on the back...

You Cats might not be in this predicament and wouldn't have had so many annual disappointments, like this past season, if you had been listening more carefully many years ago and early this fall. I try to help you out, but some of you just don't listen. Ha.
 
Wow.

I have two questions regarding this:

1. How many pages is that thread up to on BCN?

2. How many pages would it go if a player posted something like that on eGriz?

:lol:
 
EverettGriz said:
Wow.

I have two questions regarding this:

1. How many pages is that thread up to on BCN?
4
2. How many pages would it go if a player posted something like that on eGriz?
No way it goes to 17
:lol:
 
OptimusPrime said:
EverettGriz said:
Wow.

I have two questions regarding this:

1. How many pages is that thread up to on BCN?
4
2. How many pages would it go if a player posted something like that on eGriz?
No way it goes to 17
:lol:


Oh, ye of little faith! ;)
 
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