Why Rob Ash will not win a NC

[poorgriz]

and... your head coach is 15 and 9 overall, 9 and 7 in league games. Made playoffs one of two years - where you promptly got bounced in the first round by a warm weather team. I remember the olden days when you guys would have absolutely crushed a team like that coming to play in below zero weather.

We can sit here and make coach comparisons all day long. If you all think your coach is better than Ash, knock yourselves out. In 2014 you'll see that 2013 was a dip, but our program is still on the rise.

2014 should hold about the same for MD... 7 and 5 ish or maybe 8 and 4. Bubble playoff team, bounced in the first round if you make it.

:lol:

2007: 6 wins
2008: 7 wins
2009: 7 wins
2010: 7 wins, playoffs
2011: 10 wins, playoffs - 1st round bye, playoff win
2012: 11 wins, playoffs, 1st round bye, playoff win
2013: 7 wins

To take a page out of PR's book... a couple uncanny plays down at SMU doomed our season, as evidenced by the three game slide to end the season. IF not for those flukes, we win that game, DM doesn't get hurt, and we go on to have a solid playoff run, probably losing to NDSU in the 3rd round.

There is no turmoil in the program, other than the standard turmoil in any program when you have 110 players and coaches with potentially conflicting ideas and personalities. What I heard coming out of Spring camp is that even though we are not stacked with proven superstars, there is a closeness with this team that apparently they had lost last year. As a side note... I think our D is gonna be damn good.

 

[AZGrizFan]

and... your head coach is 15 and 9 overall, 9 and 7 in league games. Made playoffs one of two years - where you promptly got bounced in the first round by a warm weather team. I remember the olden days when you guys would have absolutely crushed a team like that coming to play in below zero weather.

We can sit here and make coach comparisons all day long. If you all think your coach is better than Ash, knock yourselves out. In 2014 you'll see that 2013 was a dip, but our program is still on the rise.

2014 should hold about the same for MD... 7 and 5 ish or maybe 8 and 4. Bubble playoff team, bounced in the first round if you make it.

:lol:

2007: 6 wins
2008: 7 wins
2009: 7 wins
2010: 7 wins, playoffs
2011: 10 wins, playoffs - 1st round bye, playoff win
2012: 11 wins, playoffs, 1st round bye, playoff win
2013: 7 wins

To take a page out of PR's book... a couple uncanny plays down at SMU doomed our season, as evidenced by the three game slide to end the season. IF not for those flukes, we win that game, DM doesn't get hurt, and we go on to have a solid playoff run, probably losing to NDSU in the 3rd round.
There is no turmoil in the program, other than the standard turmoil in any program when you have 110 players and coaches with potentially conflicting ideas and personalities. What I heard coming out of Spring camp is that even though we are not stacked with proven superstars, there is a closeness with this team that apparently they had lost last year. As a side note... I think our D is gonna be damn good.

If only. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[tnt]

The difference I suspect is, that at no time except possibly the CC game could one of MD losses NOT gone the other way. It was always one or two plays that had they gone the other way, so would have the game. We were always in it.

Last year with Ash was never that way. The question was never which way is this thing going, but rather when will it be over. He peaked two years ago and started his down hill slide when he had the best players and best teams the Cats have had since the 70's.

Just like BH who went as far as he ever would here and knew the "Nati" would continue for what ever reason to elude him, the same with ash, he just never went very far.

 

[get'em_griz]

and... your head coach is 15 and 9 overall, 9 and 7 in league games. Made playoffs one of two years - where you promptly got bounced in the first round by a warm weather team. I remember the olden days when you guys would have absolutely crushed a team like that coming to play in below zero weather.

We can sit here and make coach comparisons all day long. If you all think your coach is better than Ash, knock yourselves out. In 2014 you'll see that 2013 was a dip, but our program is still on the rise.

2014 should hold about the same for MD... 7 and 5 ish or maybe 8 and 4. Bubble playoff team, bounced in the first round if you make it.

:lol:

2007: 6 wins
2008: 7 wins
2009: 7 wins
2010: 7 wins, playoffs
2011: 10 wins, playoffs - 1st round bye, playoff win
2012: 11 wins, playoffs, 1st round bye, playoff win
2013: 7 wins

To take a page out of PR's book... a couple uncanny plays down at SMU doomed our season, as evidenced by the three game slide to end the season. IF not for those flukes, we win that game, DM doesn't get hurt, and we go on to have a solid playoff run, probably losing to NDSU in the 3rd round.

There is no turmoil in the program, other than the standard turmoil in any program when you have 110 players and coaches with potentially conflicting ideas and personalities. What I heard coming out of Spring camp is that even though we are not stacked with proven superstars, there is a closeness with this team that apparently they had lost last year. As a side note... I think our D is gonna be damn good.

:lol: Dude... Look at who those wins were against!

From 2007-2013, MSU has gone 13-23 against teams with a winning percentage over .500%, and 44-4 against teams with a losing percentage under .500%. 77% of your wins over the span of 7 seasons have come against teams with losing records. 85% of your losses have come from teams with winning records.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

and... your head coach is 15 and 9 overall, 9 and 7 in league games. Made playoffs one of two years - where you promptly got bounced in the first round by a warm weather team. I remember the olden days when you guys would have absolutely crushed a team like that coming to play in below zero weather.

We can sit here and make coach comparisons all day long. If you all think your coach is better than Ash, knock yourselves out. In 2014 you'll see that 2013 was a dip, but our program is still on the rise.

2014 should hold about the same for MD... 7 and 5 ish or maybe 8 and 4. Bubble playoff team, bounced in the first round if you make it.

:lol:

There is no turmoil in the program, other than the standard turmoil in any program when you have 110 players and coaches with potentially conflicting ideas and personalities. What I heard coming out of Spring camp is that even though we are not stacked with proven superstars, there is a closeness with this team that apparently they had lost last year. As a side note... I think our D is gonna be damn good.

Those of us who are actually close to the program know that your first sentence could not be farther from the truth. The insiders all know that, coming out of spring camp, there was a LOT of infighting, not buying in, and apathy within the coaching staff. There is really no sense of team with these guys, just like last year, and the D will continue to be inadequate (that's what she said).

 

[PlayerRep]

and... your head coach is 15 and 9 overall, 9 and 7 in league games. Made playoffs one of two years - where you promptly got bounced in the first round by a warm weather team. I remember the olden days when you guys would have absolutely crushed a team like that coming to play in below zero weather.

We can sit here and make coach comparisons all day long. If you all think your coach is better than Ash, knock yourselves out. In 2014 you'll see that 2013 was a dip, but our program is still on the rise.

2014 should hold about the same for MD... 7 and 5 ish or maybe 8 and 4. Bubble playoff team, bounced in the first round if you make it.

:lol:

2007: 6 wins
2008: 7 wins
2009: 7 wins
2010: 7 wins, playoffs
2011: 10 wins, playoffs - 1st round bye, playoff win
2012: 11 wins, playoffs, 1st round bye, playoff win
2013: 7 wins

To take a page out of PR's book... a couple uncanny plays down at SMU doomed our season, as evidenced by the three game slide to end the season. IF not for those flukes, we win that game, DM doesn't get hurt, and we go on to have a solid playoff run, probably losing to NDSU in the 3rd round.

There is no turmoil in the program, other than the standard turmoil in any program when you have 110 players and coaches with potentially conflicting ideas and personalities. What I heard coming out of Spring camp is that even though we are not stacked with proven superstars, there is a closeness with this team that apparently they had lost last year. As a side note... I think our D is gonna be damn good.

The SMU loss didn't doom your season. That is a just plain wrong, and dumb. Yes, you could have beaten SMU. While SMU wasn't a great team, MSU played very well in that game. Yes, having McGhee getting hurt had a signficant impact on your season. Was he in fact hurt a bit before that, by the way? With a fully healthy McGhee, I'd give you a couple more wins.

MSU was never as good, or going to be as good, as some of the Cat bigmouths thought. Any objective person could see that.

I didn't pay any attention to what caused the 3-game slide at the end. I'm sure astute fans could come up with a much better explanation than you did. Of course, the slide was impacted by the earlier part of the season to some extent. However, to blame most of it on the SMU loss and McGhee's early season is not correct. Jeez, talk to one of your buddies who understands football before you say such dumb things.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

One key difference: Montana Grizzlies fans know that Mick Delaney is not the long term solution. Unfortunately Montana State Bobcats fans don't have the same luxury. Rob Ash IS the long term solution in Bozeman. Sucks to be you. As usual.

With JJ, Delaney would be 20-4 or so. The '13 season was much more indicative of how Delaney is as a coach at UM. UM has a very tough schedule this year, so that will impact results a bit.

Accepting your premise, your statement says alot about JJ's abilities and little about Delaney's abilites. Had Delaney won only 2 or 3 of the games his coaching errors cost the team in 2012, and the CC playoff game in 2013, we wouldn't have a debate over his level of competence for this position. He was a fantastic coach on this team as a position coach, for all the attributes most see as a basis to excuse his poor HC decisions. Although not practical, I would love to see him stay as a position coach if he wanted to keep coaching. Not everybody who's a great department head has what it takes to make a great CEO.

The 2012 team didn't lose 2 or 3 game because of Delaney's coaching errors. One game may have been lost because of a horrible call on special teams (punt defense). Feel free to identify and explain the other 1 or 2 you refer too. Had JJ been the qb in 2012, UM would have won the game with the bad special teams call too.

Your right, it was closer to 4-5 games. Your hypotheticals all deal with ifs that couldn't happen. Mine was based on what if MD hadn't so badly schemed and managed games. Things only in MD's control. Like taking a team with serious distracting issues and changing the offense from one the players knew to a new system. From a system MD and the players knew, one TM could have better thrived in, to one they had little experience or confidence. It wasn't the right time and that decision lays with MD. I recognize what MD is very good at and where he is over his head. Your" insider" status clouds against an unbiased review or view. I accept that about you. So since you're apparently a fan of inane hypotheticals, then its likely, if Pflu hadn't been fired, the 2012 team would have been 9-2 or 10-1, without JJ.

 

[PlayerRep]

With JJ, Delaney would be 20-4 or so. The '13 season was much more indicative of how Delaney is as a coach at UM. UM has a very tough schedule this year, so that will impact results a bit.

Accepting your premise, your statement says alot about JJ's abilities and little about Delaney's abilites. Had Delaney won only 2 or 3 of the games his coaching errors cost the team in 2012, and the CC playoff game in 2013, we wouldn't have a debate over his level of competence for this position. He was a fantastic coach on this team as a position coach, for all the attributes most see as a basis to excuse his poor HC decisions. Although not practical, I would love to see him stay as a position coach if he wanted to keep coaching. Not everybody who's a great department head has what it takes to make a great CEO.

The 2012 team didn't lose 2 or 3 game because of Delaney's coaching errors. One game may have been lost because of a horrible call on special teams (punt defense). Feel free to identify and explain the other 1 or 2 you refer too. Had JJ been the qb in 2012, UM would have won the game with the bad special teams call too.

Your right, it was closer to 4-5 games. Your hypotheticals all deal with ifs that couldn't happen. Mine was based on what if MD hadn't so badly schemed and managed games. Things only in MD's control. Like taking a team with serious distracting issues and changing the offense from one the players knew to a new system. From a system MD and the players knew, one TM could have better thrived in, to one they had little experience or confidence. It wasn't the right time and that decision lays with MD. I recognize what MD is very good at and where he is over his head. Your" insider" status clouds against an unbiased review or view. I accept that about you. So since you're apparently a fan of inane hypotheticals, then its likely, if Pflu hadn't been fired, the 2012 team would have been 9-2 or 10-1, without JJ.

Okay, list the 4-5 games that Delaney coaching mistakes cost UM the game in 2012. Your (incorrect) statements just plain wrong--and silly. JJ was far more important to the 2012 team than any coach. Jeez, ask the players. Ask the asst coaches. Ask someone who understands football.

 

[pussycatkillerz]

Why Rob Ash will not win a NC...

That's almost to easy:

1. He's coach of the MSU fighting Bobcats.
2. He's never won a quarter final.
3. He's coach of the MSU fighting Bobcats.

 

[Copper Griz]

Why Rob Ash will not win a NC...

That's almost to easy:

1. He's coach of the MSU fighting Bobcats.
2. He's never won a quarter final.
3. He's coach of the MSU fighting Bobcats.

"fighting"? Nice work. I had to read it both times just to make sure to it did not say flighting.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

With JJ, Delaney would be 20-4 or so. The '13 season was much more indicative of how Delaney is as a coach at UM. UM has a very tough schedule this year, so that will impact results a bit.

Accepting your premise, your statement says alot about JJ's abilities and little about Delaney's abilites. Had Delaney won only 2 or 3 of the games his coaching errors cost the team in 2012, and the CC playoff game in 2013, we wouldn't have a debate over his level of competence for this position. He was a fantastic coach on this team as a position coach, for all the attributes most see as a basis to excuse his poor HC decisions. Although not practical, I would love to see him stay as a position coach if he wanted to keep coaching. Not everybody who's a great department head has what it takes to make a great CEO.

The 2012 team didn't lose 2 or 3 game because of Delaney's coaching errors. One game may have been lost because of a horrible call on special teams (punt defense). Feel free to identify and explain the other 1 or 2 you refer too. Had JJ been the qb in 2012, UM would have won the game with the bad special teams call too.

Your right, it was closer to 4-5 games. Your hypotheticals all deal with ifs that couldn't happen. Mine was based on what if MD hadn't so badly schemed and managed games. Things only in MD's control. Like taking a team with serious distracting issues and changing the offense from one the players knew to a new system. From a system MD and the players knew, one TM could have better thrived in, to one they had little experience or confidence. It wasn't the right time and that decision lays with MD. I recognize what MD is very good at and where he is over his head. Your" insider" status clouds against an unbiased review or view. I accept that about you. So since you're apparently a fan of inane hypotheticals, then its likely, if Pflu hadn't been fired, the 2012 team would have been 9-2 or 10-1, without JJ.

Yeah but Delaney has revolutionized the way special teams and offenses play. First, it took some big kahunas for him to kick off to start both halves. That brilliant strategy will be so common soon enough they may as well name it pulling a Delaney. The soft punt return coverage was classic as well and there is no way that call cost the Griz the game at all. Believe me, I was there and they pretty much lost that one well before inviting Southern Utah's punter to crawl for that first down. Also, check back in a few years and we will all understand how Delaney simplified running offenses down to just a handful of running plays.

The Griz have the FCS coach of the year so enjoy it while it lasts Griz Nation. Think about it, if Delaney could not win a NC like Ash will not, some football expert would have already started a thread on here about it.

 

[AZGrizFan]

2012 was a throwaway year, especially with JJ not running the offense.

We essentially have a ONE year sample set to make that claim against....MSU, on the other hand, has a SEVEN year sample set.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

uote="PlayerRep"]

With JJ, Delaney would be 20-4 or so. The '13 season was much more indicative of how Delaney is as a coach at UM. UM has a very tough schedule this year, so that will impact results a bit.

Accepting your premise, your statement says alot about JJ's abilities and little about Delaney's abilites. Had Delaney won only 2 or 3 of the games his coaching errors cost the team in 2012, and the CC playoff game in 2013, we wouldn't have a debate over his level of competence for this position. He was a fantastic coach on this team as a position coach, for all the attributes most see as a basis to excuse his poor HC decisions. Although not practical, I would love to see him stay as a position coach if he wanted to keep coaching. Not everybody who's a great department head has what it takes to make a great CEO.

The 2012 team didn't lose 2 or 3 game because of Delaney's coaching errors. One game may have been lost because of a horrible call on special teams (punt defense). Feel free to identify and explain the other 1 or 2 you refer too. Had JJ been the qb in 2012, UM would have won the game with the bad special teams call too.

Your right, it was closer to 4-5 games. Your hypotheticals all deal with ifs that couldn't happen. Mine was based on what if MD hadn't so badly schemed and managed games. Things only in MD's control. Like taking a team with serious distracting issues and changing the offense from one the players knew to a new system. From a system MD and the players knew, one TM could have better thrived in, to one they had little experience or confidence. It wasn't the right time and that decision lays with MD. I recognize what MD is very good at and where he is over his head. Your" insider" status clouds against an unbiased review or view. I accept that about you. So since you're apparently a fan of inane hypotheticals, then its likely, if Pflu hadn't been fired, the 2012 team would have been 9-2 or 10-1, without JJ.

Okay, list the 4-5 games that Delaney coaching mistakes cost UM the game in 2012. Your (incorrect) statements just plain wrong--and silly. JJ was far more important to the 2012 team than any coach. Jeez, ask the players. Ask the asst coaches. Ask someone who understands football.[/quote]

Meaningless canned stale reply. Your shtick doesn't work here. Some folks who do know current players and coaches intimately, also know they wouldn't tell a bullhorn gossip "insider" their true opinions about the man who holds their playing and coaching careers in his hands.

Now, others can play your game too: tell us which of the 5 games they did win were won on brilliant MD decisions, that would have been lost without the Mickster. Feel free to consult someone who understands football.

 

[George Ferguson]

the bigger question is, why dpes anyone waste their good breath on poorgriz??? He is a joke and even the good MSU posters on her know it. Poorgriz knows for a fact that if an ex-griz player came on here posting about doom and gloom of the program, he would be the first one to respond, saying "see, I told ya so, Griz Nation is crumbling from the inside out" Poorgriz is without a shadow of a doubt that poster who contradicts himself so much and lies so much on this board, he can't keep track of the truth vs the madeup stuff he says.

 

[signedbewildered]

Why Rob Ash will not win a NC...

That's almost to easy:

1. He's coach of the MSU fighting Bobcats.
2. He's never won a quarter final.
3. He's coach of the MSU fighting Bobcats.

"fighting"? Nice work. I had to read it both times just to make sure to it did not say flighting.

Good one.

 

[poorgriz]

the bigger question is, why dpes anyone waste their good breath on poorgriz??? He is a joke and even the good MSU posters on her know it. Poorgriz knows for a fact that if an ex-griz player came on here posting about doom and gloom of the program, he would be the first one to respond, saying "see, I told ya so, Griz Nation is crumbling from the inside out" Poorgriz is without a shadow of a doubt that poster who contradicts himself so much and lies so much on this board, he can't keep track of the truth vs the madeup stuff he says.

I don't know who pissed in your corn flakes, but show me all the posts where I'm a liar? I just state my opinion, which is that there isn't some big scary problem within the Bobcat program, and you will find that out this Fall. Are we gonna win the "Nati"? Probably not unfortunately, but we will have a solid season. My other point that apparently pisses you off is my firm belief that Ash is a rock solid coach in every facet of being a head coach. IMO he is significantly better than MD, but you feel free to believe whatever you want. I don't give a rip.

 

[PlayerRep]

2012 was a throwaway year, especially with JJ not running the offense.

We essentially have a ONE year sample set to make that claim against....MSU, on the other hand, has a SEVEN year sample set.

This is so obvious. Why do some of these yahoos not see it? I suppose it's because they have an agenda or don't understand the game.

 

[PlayerRep]

uote="PlayerRep"]

Accepting your premise, your statement says alot about JJ's abilities and little about Delaney's abilites. Had Delaney won only 2 or 3 of the games his coaching errors cost the team in 2012, and the CC playoff game in 2013, we wouldn't have a debate over his level of competence for this position. He was a fantastic coach on this team as a position coach, for all the attributes most see as a basis to excuse his poor HC decisions. Although not practical, I would love to see him stay as a position coach if he wanted to keep coaching. Not everybody who's a great department head has what it takes to make a great CEO.

The 2012 team didn't lose 2 or 3 game because of Delaney's coaching errors. One game may have been lost because of a horrible call on special teams (punt defense). Feel free to identify and explain the other 1 or 2 you refer too. Had JJ been the qb in 2012, UM would have won the game with the bad special teams call too.

Your right, it was closer to 4-5 games. Your hypotheticals all deal with ifs that couldn't happen. Mine was based on what if MD hadn't so badly schemed and managed games. Things only in MD's control. Like taking a team with serious distracting issues and changing the offense from one the players knew to a new system. From a system MD and the players knew, one TM could have better thrived in, to one they had little experience or confidence. It wasn't the right time and that decision lays with MD. I recognize what MD is very good at and where he is over his head. Your" insider" status clouds against an unbiased review or view. I accept that about you. So since you're apparently a fan of inane hypotheticals, then its likely, if Pflu hadn't been fired, the 2012 team would have been 9-2 or 10-1, without JJ.

Okay, list the 4-5 games that Delaney coaching mistakes cost UM the game in 2012. Your (incorrect) statements just plain wrong--and silly. JJ was far more important to the 2012 team than any coach. Jeez, ask the players. Ask the asst coaches. Ask someone who understands football.

Meaningless canned stale reply. Your shtick doesn't work here. Some folks who do know current players and coaches intimately, also know they wouldn't tell a bullhorn gossip "insider" their true opinions about the man who holds their playing and coaching careers in his hands.

Now, others can play your game too: tell us which of the 5 games they did win were won on brilliant MD decisions, that would have been lost without the Mickster. Feel free to consult someone who understands football.[/quote]

Happy to list the games UM would have won with JJ in 2012. NAU (UM scored 7 in the 2d half, after leading 24-14 at halftime), EWU (UM would have had a bigger cushion with JJ, so the problems at end wouldn't have been enough for EWU), SU (UM scored 3 points in 2d half, after leading at halftime), UND (UM didn't score in the last 21 minutes), MSU (UM outplayed MSU in this game). In most of these games, the UM offense wilted as the game progressed. With the offense unable to even get first downs, the UM defense was put under huge pressure and eventually could not hold the opponents later in the games. These things happen. But much of these would have turned out better for UM with JJ at the helm, in my view--as well as the view of many others.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

the bigger question is, why dpes anyone waste their good breath on poorgriz??? He is a joke and even the good MSU posters on her know it. Poorgriz knows for a fact that if an ex-griz player came on here posting about doom and gloom of the program, he would be the first one to respond, saying "see, I told ya so, Griz Nation is crumbling from the inside out" Poorgriz is without a shadow of a doubt that poster who contradicts himself so much and lies so much on this board, he can't keep track of the truth vs the madeup stuff he says.

I don't know who pissed in your corn flakes, but show me all the posts where I'm a liar? I just state my opinion

My opinion is that you are a liar, MSU is an embarrassment to the entire state, and Coach Ron Ash is a glorified nanny who looks and sounds like a complete douche. Just my opinion.

 

[Catsrback76]

the bigger question is, why dpes anyone waste their good breath on poorgriz??? He is a joke and even the good MSU posters on her know it. Poorgriz knows for a fact that if an ex-griz player came on here posting about doom and gloom of the program, he would be the first one to respond, saying "see, I told ya so, Griz Nation is crumbling from the inside out" Poorgriz is without a shadow of a doubt that poster who contradicts himself so much and lies so much on this board, he can't keep track of the truth vs the madeup stuff he says.

I don't know who pissed in your corn flakes, but show me all the posts where I'm a liar? I just state my opinion

My opinion is that you are a liar, MSU is an embarrassment to the entire state, and Coach Ron Ash is a glorified nanny who looks and sounds like a complete douche. Just my opinion.

Step back CDA, you've had too much!