Why I do not like the spread-option offense

[Growler1]

How does Tebow sneak into everything F&%$. I'm so sick of hearing about him I could throw up. When he quits being awful at football it'll be ok, but guess what, he's not not good no matter how bad you want him to be.

Tebow is not a pro QB, but he was one of the best college QBs of all time. We are discussing FCS caliber QBs here. I think he could play for UM, don't you?

 

[MrTitleist]

Did you just say that nobody that runs a pro-set will have a winning season, or win a national championship? Umm...look at USC. They have an excellent shot of doing it this year. Talk about uneducated football posts...

Um...USC runs I-formation and single back not pro-set. Maybe before you call someone uneducated you should know what the hell you are talking about?

My apologies, I thought he was referring to a pro-style offense. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's what Growler was referring to, rather than a pro-set.

I believe Growler1 was referring to pro-style as well.. not pro-set.

 

[RobGriz]

I have expressed this opinion in past years, but I think the personnel we have playing this season warrants another look at why I do not think the Griz should be using this offense.

To run the spread-option effectively, you MUST HAVE a QB who is a good runner, as well as a good passer. He can NOT be basically a runner, who throws occasionally. The offense has to be balanced between running and throwing.

The last year Hauck was here, we had Selle running Hauck's offense to perfection. He was awesome that year. Then, Bobby left, and Phlu brought his spread-option offense to town, trying to insert Selle and/or Roper into the QB role. Selle went from being the best QB in the conference to being essentially ineffective in this offense. Roper was even worse (remember that Roper left Oregon because he was not a fit for their spread offense).

Jordy Johnson has the combination of skills to run the spread, and did a great job last year. But, he is now gone, and we are left with several choices, none of whom seem capable of doing all of the things required to run this offense effectively.

I do not understand why coaches become enamored with the offense which is "in vogue" at the time! We have offensive talent, but not the right offensive talent to feature the spread-option. We would be much more effective running Hauck's offense, or Joe Glenn's offense. It takes a very special QB to effectively run the spread-option. The Cats lucked-out and found a QB who could run it. We found one in JJ. But, they are as rare as hen's teeth to find! When Gustafson is ready to start, he needs to be in a pro-set or multiple set offense to be effective.

this is the most uneducated football post ive ever seen.. you dont NEED to be a good passer and runner but it would be nice, for instence look at Braxton Miller at Ohio State he is an absolute freak running the ball but doesn't have the best arm as well as Pat White, Tim Tebow, Jake Locker and Armanti Edwards neither were "good" passers but could get the job done, but there's the Geno Smith types and RGIII who can run but are best first, you don't NEED to be both. The offense also does not need to be balaned, Oregon is the furthest thing from balanced they run the ball much more then they pass and are the best team in the nation at their spread option attack and then there is WVU who throws much more then they run, it doesnt matter if you run or pass equally, you can use the run to set up the pass and the pass to set up the run. The reason that Selle and Roper weren't good is because they were learning a whole new offense their senior year and was hard for them to adapt too not because they weren't the prototypical qb to run that offense. The thing about the Spread Option is that its adaptable to personnel which is why so many teams run it now and it doesnt take a very special qb to run it or only 3 teams would run it and 80% of college football does run the spread option. The reason we could be so effective at it is we have 4 running backs who can take turns carrying the load and bring in fresh legs every other drive and we have good passers who i'm sure can move around or wouldn't be on a college football team. If you think running a pro-set would be a good idea, you're crazy nobody is ever gonna win a national championship or have a winning season with a pro-set

Your post is laughable. You lose all credibility early by saying that Pat White, Tebow, Locker, and Armanti Edwards could not pass the ball. Please, dude. Go back to sleep. I will not waste keystrokes trying to educate you about football.

The difference between you and Dylan is he actually knows what he is talking about. He not only played in the spread option for 5 years but he has coached QB's in it. While you set on the couch watching the NFL network and spilling beer all over yourself thinking you were becoming "educated" about football. I promise you Dylan has more football knowledge in his little toe then you have in your whole fcuking body. I am a huge Tebow fan, but if you think that guy is anything more than mediocre in the passing department you need to quit hitting the bong. Locker was avg. at best and will be exposed in the NFL. Pat White had a 39.6 QB rating in the NFL and now plays for the UFL. Just quit embarrasing yourself and shut up. Or maybe we could discuss the "pro-set" a little bit more.

 

[RobGriz]

For those of you who think McKinney can't pass or run the spread option.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNQ-riN5bls[/youtube]

 

[Grizfan-24]

I miss bobby ball. We used to utilize our strengths better running between the tackles playing smash mouth football which is what we are built for. Year in and year out offensive line is always our strength with those big boys up front. We out weigh every line we face outside of the occasional Tennessee and Iowas, we need to recruit backs like chase and lex and run between those tackles and set up the deep pass and quit with this gimmick spread crap that emphasizes pure speed which is not our identity,

+1. The spread in just the latest "in vogue" offense, which everyone thinks they have to use now. These offenses always have a limited shelf-life, until defensive coordinators figure out a way to stop them, which they always do. In fact, they have already done that. Interesting that pro teams only use a few gimmicky plays out of the spread-option, when they have a guy like Michael Vick, etc. But, they stick to the tried-and-true offense most of the time.

McKinney is not a good enough passer to make the spread-option effective. It is much more than an "early season" thing. It is because he throws like Jason Washington and Gerald Kemp.

From a defensive coordinators perspective, I don't think the spread is going anywhere. There are just too many variations and too many permutations of what the spread provides you as an offensive coordinator to match to personnel. I do know that the defenses like the 4-2-5 are much better suited to stop the spread than the beefy 4-3 and 5-2 defenses that populate college and high school football. You are right on that account.

I don't think the spread is gimicky. I could send you a spread passing offense and its techniques are sound as the day is long. But I do get your point, there are parts of the offense that do have a limited shelf life. I think we'll see teams do what nevada does which is run more power schemes inside the tackles to prevent what defenses are doing to stop the spread/fly sweep and option elements. The screen stuff and the mid range passing game is solid against traditional cover 2 or the mixed zones that schools like TCU runs.

The pro game is just different. You can't run zone read in the pro game. Too much speed on the edge and too much money invested in quarterbacks to expose them to defensive ends and linebackers as a runners on every play. That is why Miami and the Jets used guys they wouldn't normally use in typical game situations. Ask Pat White what the wildcat did for his career at the NFL level.

I get your point. I just think that at the college and high school level the spread is much more flexible and agile of an offense that it won't go away.

 

[DylanMiller12]

I have expressed this opinion in past years, but I think the personnel we have playing this season warrants another look at why I do not think the Griz should be using this offense.

To run the spread-option effectively, you MUST HAVE a QB who is a good runner, as well as a good passer. He can NOT be basically a runner, who throws occasionally. The offense has to be balanced between running and throwing.

The last year Hauck was here, we had Selle running Hauck's offense to perfection. He was awesome that year. Then, Bobby left, and Phlu brought his spread-option offense to town, trying to insert Selle and/or Roper into the QB role. Selle went from being the best QB in the conference to being essentially ineffective in this offense. Roper was even worse (remember that Roper left Oregon because he was not a fit for their spread offense).

Jordy Johnson has the combination of skills to run the spread, and did a great job last year. But, he is now gone, and we are left with several choices, none of whom seem capable of doing all of the things required to run this offense effectively.

I do not understand why coaches become enamored with the offense which is "in vogue" at the time! We have offensive talent, but not the right offensive talent to feature the spread-option. We would be much more effective running Hauck's offense, or Joe Glenn's offense. It takes a very special QB to effectively run the spread-option. The Cats lucked-out and found a QB who could run it. We found one in JJ. But, they are as rare as hen's teeth to find! When Gustafson is ready to start, he needs to be in a pro-set or multiple set offense to be effective.

this is the most uneducated football post ive ever seen.. you dont NEED to be a good passer and runner but it would be nice, for instence look at Braxton Miller at Ohio State he is an absolute freak running the ball but doesn't have the best arm as well as Pat White, Tim Tebow, Jake Locker and Armanti Edwards neither were "good" passers but could get the job done, but there's the Geno Smith types and RGIII who can run but are best first, you don't NEED to be both. The offense also does not need to be balaned, Oregon is the furthest thing from balanced they run the ball much more then they pass and are the best team in the nation at their spread option attack and then there is WVU who throws much more then they run, it doesnt matter if you run or pass equally, you can use the run to set up the pass and the pass to set up the run. The reason that Selle and Roper weren't good is because they were learning a whole new offense their senior year and was hard for them to adapt too not because they weren't the prototypical qb to run that offense. The thing about the Spread Option is that its adaptable to personnel which is why so many teams run it now and it doesnt take a very special qb to run it or only 3 teams would run it and 80% of college football does run the spread option. The reason we could be so effective at it is we have 4 running backs who can take turns carrying the load and bring in fresh legs every other drive and we have good passers who i'm sure can move around or wouldn't be on a college football team. If you think running a pro-set would be a good idea, you're crazy nobody is ever gonna win a national championship or have a winning season with a pro-set

Your post is laughable. You lose all credibility early by saying that Pat White, Tebow, Locker, and Armanti Edwards could not pass the ball. Please, dude. Go back to sleep. I will not waste keystrokes trying to educate you about football.

you think the pro SET would be an effective offense.. you never had any credibility with anyone on this.
Armanti is the only one who can pass even a little bit, and he's the only one of the 4 not in the NFL as a quarterback. Locker, and Tebow are terrible passers, maybe the worst in the NFL, i'm far more educated then you when it comes to football.

 

[Growler1]

I have expressed this opinion in past years, but I think the personnel we have playing this season warrants another look at why I do not think the Griz should be using this offense.

To run the spread-option effectively, you MUST HAVE a QB who is a good runner, as well as a good passer. He can NOT be basically a runner, who throws occasionally. The offense has to be balanced between running and throwing.

The last year Hauck was here, we had Selle running Hauck's offense to perfection. He was awesome that year. Then, Bobby left, and Phlu brought his spread-option offense to town, trying to insert Selle and/or Roper into the QB role. Selle went from being the best QB in the conference to being essentially ineffective in this offense. Roper was even worse (remember that Roper left Oregon because he was not a fit for their spread offense).

Jordy Johnson has the combination of skills to run the spread, and did a great job last year. But, he is now gone, and we are left with several choices, none of whom seem capable of doing all of the things required to run this offense effectively.

I do not understand why coaches become enamored with the offense which is "in vogue" at the time! We have offensive talent, but not the right offensive talent to feature the spread-option. We would be much more effective running Hauck's offense, or Joe Glenn's offense. It takes a very special QB to effectively run the spread-option. The Cats lucked-out and found a QB who could run it. We found one in JJ. But, they are as rare as hen's teeth to find! When Gustafson is ready to start, he needs to be in a pro-set or multiple set offense to be effective.

this is the most uneducated football post ive ever seen.. you dont NEED to be a good passer and runner but it would be nice, for instence look at Braxton Miller at Ohio State he is an absolute freak running the ball but doesn't have the best arm as well as Pat White, Tim Tebow, Jake Locker and Armanti Edwards neither were "good" passers but could get the job done, but there's the Geno Smith types and RGIII who can run but are best first, you don't NEED to be both. The offense also does not need to be balaned, Oregon is the furthest thing from balanced they run the ball much more then they pass and are the best team in the nation at their spread option attack and then there is WVU who throws much more then they run, it doesnt matter if you run or pass equally, you can use the run to set up the pass and the pass to set up the run. The reason that Selle and Roper weren't good is because they were learning a whole new offense their senior year and was hard for them to adapt too not because they weren't the prototypical qb to run that offense. The thing about the Spread Option is that its adaptable to personnel which is why so many teams run it now and it doesnt take a very special qb to run it or only 3 teams would run it and 80% of college football does run the spread option. The reason we could be so effective at it is we have 4 running backs who can take turns carrying the load and bring in fresh legs every other drive and we have good passers who i'm sure can move around or wouldn't be on a college football team. If you think running a pro-set would be a good idea, you're crazy nobody is ever gonna win a national championship or have a winning season with a pro-set

Your post is laughable. You lose all credibility early by saying that Pat White, Tebow, Locker, and Armanti Edwards could not pass the ball. Please, dude. Go back to sleep. I will not waste keystrokes trying to educate you about football.

you think the pro SET would be an effective offense.. you never had any credibility with anyone on this.
Armanti is the only one who can pass even a little bit, and he's the only one of the 4 not in the NFL as a quarterback. Locker, and Tebow are terrible passers, maybe the worst in the NFL, i'm far more educated then you when it comes to football.

Little Grizzly does not count. To say that pat White or Tebow could not pass the ball well enough to QB in the spread-option offense run by an FCS team, shows everyone just how smart you are! Please, you embarrass yourself more with every lame attempt to discredit me.

 

[RobGriz]

Read much Jackass, er, I mean growler1. Dylan pointed out that even though they were NOT the best of passers, the very much COULD run the spread option. YOU, were the one that was pointing out faults with QB's. The very same faults that all the players that Dylan mentioned were said to have. The way you bounce from one side to the other in an argument makes me think you must be some kind of goverment official.

 

[Growler1]

Read much Jackass, er, I mean growler1. Dylan pointed out that even though they were NOT the best of passers, the very much COULD run the spread option. YOU, were the one that was pointing out faults with QB's. The very same faults that all the players that Dylan mentioned were said to have. The way you bounce from one side to the other in an argument makes me think you must be some kind of goverment official.

Dudess, Tebow was a first round draft pick. White was a good enough passer to be drafted in the 2nd round as a QB. They were PLENTY GOOD at passing the ball at the FBS level! Stop talking about the frickin' NFL! We are talking about McKinney not being a good enough passer to run the spread-option effectively! End of frickin' story! McKinney could not chew on Tebow or White's jock strap in passing the ball!

 

[RobGriz]

Read much Jackass, er, I mean growler1. Dylan pointed out that even though they were NOT the best of passers, the very much COULD run the spread option. YOU, were the one that was pointing out faults with QB's. The very same faults that all the players that Dylan mentioned were said to have. The way you bounce from one side to the other in an argument makes me think you must be some kind of goverment official.

Dudess, Tebow was a first round draft pick. White was a good enough passer to be drafted in the 2nd round as a QB. They were PLENTY GOOD at passing the ball at the FBS level! Stop talking about the frickin' NFL! We are talking about McKinney not being a good enough passer to run the spread-option effectively! End of frickin' story! McKinney could not chew on Tebow or White's jock strap in passing the ball!

Not talking about the NFL. Either you live in a closet or you listen to football with the tv turned down, which would explain why you know so little. People were hacking on both players WHILE THEY WERE IN COLLEGE.

 

[dupuyer griz]

How does Tebow sneak into everything F&%$. I'm so sick of hearing about him I could throw up. When he quits being awful at football it'll be ok, but guess what, he's not not good no matter how bad you want him to be.

Tebow is not a pro QB, but he was one of the best college QBs of all time. We are discussing FCS caliber QBs here. I think he could play for UM, don't you?

I think that he can't due to eligibility rules.

Edit: I guess I should have said I know he can't.

 

[Growler1]

Read much Jackass, er, I mean growler1. Dylan pointed out that even though they were NOT the best of passers, the very much COULD run the spread option. YOU, were the one that was pointing out faults with QB's. The very same faults that all the players that Dylan mentioned were said to have. The way you bounce from one side to the other in an argument makes me think you must be some kind of goverment official.

Dudess, Tebow was a first round draft pick. White was a good enough passer to be drafted in the 2nd round as a QB. They were PLENTY GOOD at passing the ball at the FBS level! Stop talking about the frickin' NFL! We are talking about McKinney not being a good enough passer to run the spread-option effectively! End of frickin' story! McKinney could not chew on Tebow or White's jock strap in passing the ball!

Not talking about the NFL. Either you live in a closet or you listen to football with the tv turned down, which would explain why you know so little. People were hacking on both players WHILE THEY WERE IN COLLEGE.

Dude, give it up. Both players were early NFL draft choices. You are making yourself look like an idiot by continuing this charade. By the way, if I know little, then you know ZILCH!

 

[Umista]

Yo Growls, are you getting a bit testy before the first game?

Nerves are becoming frayed but you are hanging in quite well.??

This could be a fun game to watch and enjoy. I keep telling you I see some good stuff in these young guys. I am saying we are way better at this point than we have been for few years. Unless my eyes are wrong this is a damn good group.

We can play no matter what type of offense we put on the field. I am the most excited when we get in our hurry-quick read play. Pass the damn ball. Tough D. Run then pass some more. My game.

 

[RobGriz]

Read much Jackass, er, I mean growler1. Dylan pointed out that even though they were NOT the best of passers, the very much COULD run the spread option. YOU, were the one that was pointing out faults with QB's. The very same faults that all the players that Dylan mentioned were said to have. The way you bounce from one side to the other in an argument makes me think you must be some kind of goverment official.

Dudess, Tebow was a first round draft pick. White was a good enough passer to be drafted in the 2nd round as a QB. They were PLENTY GOOD at passing the ball at the FBS level! Stop talking about the frickin' NFL! We are talking about McKinney not being a good enough passer to run the spread-option effectively! End of frickin' story! McKinney could not chew on Tebow or White's jock strap in passing the ball!

Not talking about the NFL. Either you live in a closet or you listen to football with the tv turned down, which would explain why you know so little. People were hacking on both players WHILE THEY WERE IN COLLEGE.

Dude, give it up. Both players were early NFL draft choices. You are making yourself look like an idiot by continuing this charade. By the way, if I know little, then you know ZILCH!

Growler wrote "DUUUUUUDE, give it up." Growler your such a piece of sh1t even your smack sucks. Tebow was a high pick because McDaniel was in idiot. PERIOD. The reason that Tebow was effective in college was because he was not asked to throw 40, 50, or 60 yard bombs. Same with Pat White. Both teams relied on quick reads and the majority of their passing routes were under 15 yards (ironically White led the NCAA in qb rushing, not passing). No one said they were not great qb's, they obviously were great spread option quarterbacks, but if either Meyer or Rich Rodriguez had used your argument neither would have seen the field. Tebow was constantly criticized for his poor mechanics and long delivery. A scouting report about Pat White in 2008 (pre-NFL) said "Likes to roll outside of the pocket too much. Has a slow delivery that allows defenders to break on the ball easily." The spread option was designed to spread the defense out, make them defend the whole field and either sell out to stop the run or the pass. It relies on getting talent mismatches and creating lanes for the running game and seams for the passing game. It is adaptable to the strengths of the personnel on your team.
One of the problems that Pat White and Tebow had when they went to the NFL was how awkward they were taking snaps under center. So your idea of taking McKinney, who played his whole high school career in the spread option, and having him take snaps from under center in some "pro-set" offense proves that your football IQ is limited if not non-existent. I realize that YOU and YOU ALONE are the expert on the spread option but according to the coaches that designed the spread option having an Alex Smith type qb is not a requirement. According to Coach Bell at the Air Force Academy "I saw a lot of people running this offense this past year that didn’t have an Alex Smith. You can run this offense without a great quarterback like Smith. Your emphasis might go a little bit more run or a little bit more pass depending on the quarterback you do have.”
In order to extend the olive branch I have attached a great article on the spread option, with info from Urban Meyer (the originator of the spread option) and several other coaches. I realize that these guys are in no way on your level football knowledge wise, but at least humor yourself and give it a read.
Finally, let me say good luck in your future endeavors, although if I were you I would stay away from football. Try something a little more on your intelligence level, say, collecting lint or eating cheese puffs.
http://www.americanfootballmonthly.com/Subaccess/articles.php?article_id=4701&output=article