Why I do not like the spread-option offense

[reinell30]

Sounds like the real problem was with the ref's.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Sounds like the real problem was with the ref's.

Now you sound like a cat fan...................


The most troubling thing to me is that when you are a QB and you get a chance to hammer the seem for a deep gain you do it.

The goal is to score.

 

[grizindabox]

One word.....AUDIBLE

 

[AZGrizFan]

We've already traded size for speed; you can't go back overnight.

Common misperception.

William Poehls 6'8", 340
Danny Kistler 6'8", 328
Jake Hendrickson 6'3", 305
Kjelby Oiland 6'4", 295
Trevor Poole 6'5", 290

Exactly how much "size" have we given up? :?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Size matters............unless you are argh.

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[argh!]

Size matters............unless you are argh.

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spoken like a true girl.

 

[garizzalies]

We've already traded size for speed; you can't go back overnight.

Common misperception.

William Poehls 6'8", 340
Danny Kistler 6'8", 328
Jake Hendrickson 6'3", 305
Kjelby Oiland 6'4", 295
Trevor Poole 6'5", 290

Exactly how much "size" have we given up? :?

AZ, thanks for keeping me honest, and keeping this thread alive.
Yeah, them some big boys, but at least in my mind, they're faster now than then. [I know how much you love it when i cite my brain as authority.]
Since you are so good at doing homework, lets compare the average size and speed of RBs or WRs during bobbyball to present. My guess is someone like Jon Talmage or Ryan Begley is bigger but slower than someone like Cam Warren or Chase Naccarotto. Same result when you compare Lex to Canada.

 

[Umista]

Thanks Mr. Growler, this thread moved along great. I like the spread. You dislike the spread.

Enter the QB. If he throws well we are OK. The second QB will come in and play in the second or third game. If he throws well we are OK. All along during this period I see us running the ball and doing quite well. Now, after game three you get to really find out what we are made of. Some injury to a few players perhaps? A QB that can come in and surprise us is what I am saying. Trent can actually throw far better than Kemp ever could. Yes he is not as good as JJ in the throwing deptartment, at this point. JJ was shakey as hell at this period last year, remember? In fact he was shakey for three games plus.

I am preaching time.......I can almost feel these guys coming on. I have been watching and watching and I see steady improvement each day. That is looking through very dark glasses, sober and not trying to be clever or slanted.

If I am wrong, feel free to pile on. However if I am right Growler gets the privilege of purchasing two beers at the Mo Club (if they let us in) mmm thanks ahead of time Sir Growler.

 

[AZGrizFan]

We've already traded size for speed; you can't go back overnight.

Common misperception.

William Poehls 6'8", 340
Danny Kistler 6'8", 328
Jake Hendrickson 6'3", 305
Kjelby Oiland 6'4", 295
Trevor Poole 6'5", 290

Exactly how much "size" have we given up? :?

AZ, thanks for keeping me honest, and keeping this thread alive.
Yeah, them some big boys, but at least in my mind, they're faster now than then. [I know how much you love it when i cite my brain as authority.]
Since you are so good at doing homework, lets compare the average size and speed of RBs or WRs during bobbyball to present. My guess is someone like Jon Talmage or Ryan Begley is bigger but slower than someone like Cam Warren or Chase Naccarotto. Same result when you compare Lex to Canada.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :clap:

Actually, I think (from MY brain :shock: ) that aside from Kistler and Poehls, the other three are probably somewhat lighter than the 330 lb beasts Bobby-ball used to recruit. Hard to imagine that 295 is SMALLER....and I agree, we've got a LOT of "smurfs" type receivers now whereas before it seems like there were more of the 6-2 to 6-5 guys.... and the RB issue is why I'm so excited about Counts. :clap: :clap:

 

[DylanMiller12]

I have expressed this opinion in past years, but I think the personnel we have playing this season warrants another look at why I do not think the Griz should be using this offense.

To run the spread-option effectively, you MUST HAVE a QB who is a good runner, as well as a good passer. He can NOT be basically a runner, who throws occasionally. The offense has to be balanced between running and throwing.

The last year Hauck was here, we had Selle running Hauck's offense to perfection. He was awesome that year. Then, Bobby left, and Phlu brought his spread-option offense to town, trying to insert Selle and/or Roper into the QB role. Selle went from being the best QB in the conference to being essentially ineffective in this offense. Roper was even worse (remember that Roper left Oregon because he was not a fit for their spread offense).

Jordy Johnson has the combination of skills to run the spread, and did a great job last year. But, he is now gone, and we are left with several choices, none of whom seem capable of doing all of the things required to run this offense effectively.

I do not understand why coaches become enamored with the offense which is "in vogue" at the time! We have offensive talent, but not the right offensive talent to feature the spread-option. We would be much more effective running Hauck's offense, or Joe Glenn's offense. It takes a very special QB to effectively run the spread-option. The Cats lucked-out and found a QB who could run it. We found one in JJ. But, they are as rare as hen's teeth to find! When Gustafson is ready to start, he needs to be in a pro-set or multiple set offense to be effective.

this is the most uneducated football post ive ever seen.. you dont NEED to be a good passer and runner but it would be nice, for instence look at Braxton Miller at Ohio State he is an absolute freak running the ball but doesn't have the best arm as well as Pat White, Tim Tebow, Jake Locker and Armanti Edwards neither were "good" passers but could get the job done, but there's the Geno Smith types and RGIII who can run but are best first, you don't NEED to be both. The offense also does not need to be balaned, Oregon is the furthest thing from balanced they run the ball much more then they pass and are the best team in the nation at their spread option attack and then there is WVU who throws much more then they run, it doesnt matter if you run or pass equally, you can use the run to set up the pass and the pass to set up the run. The reason that Selle and Roper weren't good is because they were learning a whole new offense their senior year and was hard for them to adapt too not because they weren't the prototypical qb to run that offense. The thing about the Spread Option is that its adaptable to personnel which is why so many teams run it now and it doesnt take a very special qb to run it or only 3 teams would run it and 80% of college football does run the spread option. The reason we could be so effective at it is we have 4 running backs who can take turns carrying the load and bring in fresh legs every other drive and we have good passers who i'm sure can move around or wouldn't be on a college football team. If you think running a pro-set would be a good idea, you're crazy nobody is ever gonna win a national championship or have a winning season with a pro-set

 

[PTGrizzly]

Did you just say that nobody that runs a pro-set will have a winning season, or win a national championship? Umm...look at USC. They have an excellent shot of doing it this year. Talk about uneducated football posts...

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

... and the RB issue is why I'm so excited about Counts.

Same here; what other interest that I have that is keened is that, hopefully, Nelo Butler is back to being 100 %. If so, a RB after his junior year of hs football out of Helena getting scouted by the USC Trojans, otherwise known as Tailback U., has to perk my interest. Be quite a combo if that comes to fruition in a couple years.

 

[RobGriz]

Did you just say that nobody that runs a pro-set will have a winning season, or win a national championship? Umm...look at USC. They have an excellent shot of doing it this year. Talk about uneducated football posts...

Um...USC runs I-formation and single back not pro-set. Maybe before you call someone uneducated you should know what the hell you are talking about?

 

[AZGrizFan]

If you think running a pro-set would be a good idea, you're crazy nobody is ever gonna win a national championship or have a winning season with a pro-set

What offense does NDSU run?

 

[PTGrizzly]

Did you just say that nobody that runs a pro-set will have a winning season, or win a national championship? Umm...look at USC. They have an excellent shot of doing it this year. Talk about uneducated football posts...

Um...USC runs I-formation and single back not pro-set. Maybe before you call someone uneducated you should know what the hell you are talking about?

My apologies, I thought he was referring to a pro-style offense. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's what Growler was referring to, rather than a pro-set.

 

[RobGriz]

If you think running a pro-set would be a good idea, you're crazy nobody is ever gonna win a national championship or have a winning season with a pro-set

What offense does NDSU run?

Not a pro-set. I watched the highlights of all their games in 2011 and not once did I see pro-set.

 

[Growler1]

I have expressed this opinion in past years, but I think the personnel we have playing this season warrants another look at why I do not think the Griz should be using this offense.

To run the spread-option effectively, you MUST HAVE a QB who is a good runner, as well as a good passer. He can NOT be basically a runner, who throws occasionally. The offense has to be balanced between running and throwing.

The last year Hauck was here, we had Selle running Hauck's offense to perfection. He was awesome that year. Then, Bobby left, and Phlu brought his spread-option offense to town, trying to insert Selle and/or Roper into the QB role. Selle went from being the best QB in the conference to being essentially ineffective in this offense. Roper was even worse (remember that Roper left Oregon because he was not a fit for their spread offense).

Jordy Johnson has the combination of skills to run the spread, and did a great job last year. But, he is now gone, and we are left with several choices, none of whom seem capable of doing all of the things required to run this offense effectively.

I do not understand why coaches become enamored with the offense which is "in vogue" at the time! We have offensive talent, but not the right offensive talent to feature the spread-option. We would be much more effective running Hauck's offense, or Joe Glenn's offense. It takes a very special QB to effectively run the spread-option. The Cats lucked-out and found a QB who could run it. We found one in JJ. But, they are as rare as hen's teeth to find! When Gustafson is ready to start, he needs to be in a pro-set or multiple set offense to be effective.

this is the most uneducated football post ive ever seen.. you dont NEED to be a good passer and runner but it would be nice, for instence look at Braxton Miller at Ohio State he is an absolute freak running the ball but doesn't have the best arm as well as Pat White, Tim Tebow, Jake Locker and Armanti Edwards neither were "good" passers but could get the job done, but there's the Geno Smith types and RGIII who can run but are best first, you don't NEED to be both. The offense also does not need to be balaned, Oregon is the furthest thing from balanced they run the ball much more then they pass and are the best team in the nation at their spread option attack and then there is WVU who throws much more then they run, it doesnt matter if you run or pass equally, you can use the run to set up the pass and the pass to set up the run. The reason that Selle and Roper weren't good is because they were learning a whole new offense their senior year and was hard for them to adapt too not because they weren't the prototypical qb to run that offense. The thing about the Spread Option is that its adaptable to personnel which is why so many teams run it now and it doesnt take a very special qb to run it or only 3 teams would run it and 80% of college football does run the spread option. The reason we could be so effective at it is we have 4 running backs who can take turns carrying the load and bring in fresh legs every other drive and we have good passers who i'm sure can move around or wouldn't be on a college football team. If you think running a pro-set would be a good idea, you're crazy nobody is ever gonna win a national championship or have a winning season with a pro-set

Your post is laughable. You lose all credibility early by saying that Pat White, Tebow, Locker, and Armanti Edwards could not pass the ball. Please, dude. Go back to sleep. I will not waste keystrokes trying to educate you about football.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I have only seen Tebow live, of the above mentioned QB's. Tebow can pass, just not very accurately.

 

[Growler1]

I have only seen Tebow live, of the above mentioned QB's. Tebow can pass, just not very accurately.

We ain't talkin' NFL quality passing here, cowboy. If we had any of the four QBs this pin head said could not pass, we would win the national championship.

 

[dupuyer griz]

How does Tebow sneak into everything F&%$. I'm so sick of hearing about him I could throw up. When he quits being awful at football it'll be ok, but guess what, he's not not good no matter how bad you want him to be.