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Why I do not like the spread-option offense
- Thread starter Growler1
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We did not hire Pflugrad because of high end boosters. He was hired because he was good. Turned out he was. He is gone.
Hauck was hired much the same way. He is gone.
Argue on but it is what it is. It ain't coming back.
New head coach. New offensive coach. New Defensive coach. New ST coach. Also new and changed are other Griz coaches for 2012.
All Growler stated is why he does not like the spread/option offense. He gave his reasons and I understand them. I am different. I am stating that I love it. A few of my simple minded reasons. It is great for the fans. Women and un professional fans love it as they see more action and they can always find the ball. We can come from behind and win. It is very hard to defend. On and on.
The Griz will become a decent team around game 3 or 4. I predict we will be very good after game 3. We have a ton of good players and they need to jell and in my opinion our coaching staff could be the best we have had in the last 20 years.
We should be down in the dumps at this point. Why? We got our butts handed to us by our president firing the head coach etc. Lost our damn good QB. Like I said we should be down but we are high on our team. Sure some of you are judging our QBs on what little you have watched them but I see a ton of good play coming from them. It is waaayyy to early to throw in the towel or even talk about the doom because we are down after two lousy scrimmages. More later I have to work. Damn work anyway!
Hauck was hired much the same way. He is gone.
Argue on but it is what it is. It ain't coming back.
New head coach. New offensive coach. New Defensive coach. New ST coach. Also new and changed are other Griz coaches for 2012.
All Growler stated is why he does not like the spread/option offense. He gave his reasons and I understand them. I am different. I am stating that I love it. A few of my simple minded reasons. It is great for the fans. Women and un professional fans love it as they see more action and they can always find the ball. We can come from behind and win. It is very hard to defend. On and on.
The Griz will become a decent team around game 3 or 4. I predict we will be very good after game 3. We have a ton of good players and they need to jell and in my opinion our coaching staff could be the best we have had in the last 20 years.
We should be down in the dumps at this point. Why? We got our butts handed to us by our president firing the head coach etc. Lost our damn good QB. Like I said we should be down but we are high on our team. Sure some of you are judging our QBs on what little you have watched them but I see a ton of good play coming from them. It is waaayyy to early to throw in the towel or even talk about the doom because we are down after two lousy scrimmages. More later I have to work. Damn work anyway!
garizzalies
Well-known member
Thank god you do not actually want bobby-ball. With that said, i'll keep playing along.
First, 68, i agree. I don't care if we win by 3 or 33+ either. But when i see people on here wishing for a return to bobby-ball and how "demoralizing" it was, i shake my head. that's is why i brought up the "blowout" rant. demoralizing is getting blown out, not hanging around all game long.
Second, AZ, I already gave two examples of UM blowing out GOOD teams last year (MSU and UM). Now it's your turn to provide examples where bobby-ball (ie post-04, and not SFA) blew out a good team. And if you don't remember DD/ah yat blowing out good teams, i can't help ya.
First, 68, i agree. I don't care if we win by 3 or 33+ either. But when i see people on here wishing for a return to bobby-ball and how "demoralizing" it was, i shake my head. that's is why i brought up the "blowout" rant. demoralizing is getting blown out, not hanging around all game long.
Second, AZ, I already gave two examples of UM blowing out GOOD teams last year (MSU and UM). Now it's your turn to provide examples where bobby-ball (ie post-04, and not SFA) blew out a good team. And if you don't remember DD/ah yat blowing out good teams, i can't help ya.
AZGrizFan said:
Would that not add up to a 28-24 victory?
garizzalies said:
Give me a break! I hated Bobby Ball. If you can not discern comments revealing the weaknesses of our 2012 offense, without bastardizing them by aliening them with bobby-ball then you should refrain from posting. I HATED bobby-ball. If you think that dumping the spread-option means a return to Bobby-ball, then I have nothing to say to you. Please get a semblance of a clue, before further posting.
garizzalies said:
I asked for examples from the '90s.
2004: PLAYOFF wins by 51, 30 and 21 (or are we not counting playoff teams as "good" teams now?)
2006: PLAYOFF wins by 25 and 17, beat 7-4 SDSU by 29
2007: Beat Montana State by 21
2008: Beat Montana State (7-5) by 32
2009: Beat Weber State (7-5) by 21, scored something like 96 unanswered points between the SDSU and SFA games)
Oh, and other than '95 and '96 (Ah Yat's first season as starter), there weren't a lot of blowouts of GOOD teams. Ah Yat's offense scored 638 points in '96...but only 368 in '97 (and lost to EWU :shock: ) a very mediocre NAU team and a Southland team (of all conferences) in the playoffs. And FYI, the offense has NEVER even approached those lofty scoring totals again since...
It seems to me you're taking one magical year ('95) and projecting that onto an entire string of "papa-bear" seasons---or at least pre-BH seasons. Hey, I have fond memories of those years too, but it doesn't change the fact that the pre-BH years offenses weren't all that and a bag of chips.
I do like the spread option although
Growler1 said:AZGrizFan said:grizindabox said:
Depends on if you have a QB that can run AND pass.
We do not have the personnel to run this offense, now that JJ is gone. You will see in three weeks.
You guys are talkin' football....disregard my comment
Even if UM doesn't have the qb to run the spread offense, that doesn't mean that the offense should be scrapped at the start of pre-season practice. I suppose there will be more reliance on the running backs, and the OC was already planning to move more towards a short passing game where the ball was out of the qb's hands fairly quickly. A certain former coach has said that McKinney was specifically recruited for this offense, ran a simlar offense in high school, and is expected to become a very good qb in the future. This doesn't mean the offense won't sputter earlier in the season.
garizzalies
Well-known member
So basically, in 5 years there were 3 blowouts of good teams w/ bobby-ball; and last year with a S-O we had 2. Got it.AZGrizFan said:
Would anyone in griz nation trade Rosey for phen-phen? **crickets** didn't think so.
look, i don't hate BH, nor do i want to needlessly needle you. if i have an "agenda" on this board, it is to ensure evolution. there's a reason most schools regardless of level run some form of the S-O and there's a million of these qbs out there; they aint that hard to find. when in the kittylitter last year, not long after halftime, i felt something i haven't felt since the 90s. the cats were indeed "demoralized" and the party was on! to scrap that b/c your qb is out is beyond stupid to me.