Actually, UM does have the personnel to run the spread-offense. They've been using it, practicing it, and recruiting for it, for several years. While it's unfortunate not to have JJ to run it, both McKinney and Breznek are suited to run it. They just don't have the experience, yet, to run it at high level, just like JJ didn't when he first started playing here. You don't drastically change your offense, just because you lose one player. What idiocy that would be. Of course, you make adjustments, but you don't scrap your offense for a different one. The lack of football knowledge on this board is just astounding amongst some posters.
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Why I do not like the spread-option offense
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jcu27
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He had one game with barely over a 100 yards. Get over it. If he was hard to tackle don't you think he'd have 100-200 plus yards a game? How many times was he tfl? How many times did he get 100 yards or more? 1.. Your boner for Moore is awkward. Same with sugar coater. Stats don't mean anything to either of you but, he's muscular and white so he's good. Lol.Hammer said:
Growler1 said:
Others explained my first point.
Second I was not talking about "We" as in the Griz, but spread offenses in general
garizzalies
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Growler1 said:
great summary of what you said? Your RANT was premised with the "personnel we have playing this season" and never mentioned recruiting. Even PR gets it: you can't change systems just cuz the qb is out, and why the hell would you want to. like most of your jokes, your thread is 3-4 years late.
Are you [and many of the posters on this page] even listening to yourself, cuz it sounds like you want a return to bobby ball. there was nothing "demoralizing" about never blowing a team out and always letting a team hang around. Think about it: how many GOOD teams did we blow out w/ bobby ball? Compare that number to the number of times we did it just last year. Air-bear was demoralizing because we could blow out teams. When bobby came, people started saying "every team gives the griz their best shot." We finally got a glimps of a modernized air-bear last year and you of all people want to regress back to bobby ball?!?!?!
mtgrizrule
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I admit, I loved the GRIZ offense, after the 1st month of last season. Until then, it was frustrating, with a lot of growing pains. I do think Pflu tried to adopt his offense a year too soon, though. 2010 would have been much better, had he been more patient and adjusted to the personnel he inherited.
I liked Hauck's offense 3 seasons. Och's Sr year, Bergquist's Sr year and Hauck's last year as coach.
The only criticism, I have about 2011's offense was how bad the GRIZ were at short yardage. They were terrible at short yardage. I am praying Delaney, and Rosenbach improve that part of the offense. It cannot get much worse in short yardage, than 2011. I liked that Hauck's teams were consistently tough on both sides of the ball, and special teams were always amongst the best in the nation.
The only negative, and it is a big one, he did not win the biggest game any given year. Meaning a championship. One year the defense struggled, another the offense held the GRIZ back, another a rare special teams let down, or we simply ran into teams we did not match up well with (Wofford, UMass).
It was easier for me to have more confidence in Hauck coached teams, after the 1st few years. I knew they would always be at their best come playoff time, and never would peak too soon. 2011, restored a lot of my faith in Pflu though. I was sorry to see him go, and do believe he had the program progressing nicely.
I liked Hauck's offense 3 seasons. Och's Sr year, Bergquist's Sr year and Hauck's last year as coach.
The only criticism, I have about 2011's offense was how bad the GRIZ were at short yardage. They were terrible at short yardage. I am praying Delaney, and Rosenbach improve that part of the offense. It cannot get much worse in short yardage, than 2011. I liked that Hauck's teams were consistently tough on both sides of the ball, and special teams were always amongst the best in the nation.
The only negative, and it is a big one, he did not win the biggest game any given year. Meaning a championship. One year the defense struggled, another the offense held the GRIZ back, another a rare special teams let down, or we simply ran into teams we did not match up well with (Wofford, UMass).
It was easier for me to have more confidence in Hauck coached teams, after the 1st few years. I knew they would always be at their best come playoff time, and never would peak too soon. 2011, restored a lot of my faith in Pflu though. I was sorry to see him go, and do believe he had the program progressing nicely.
Thanks for a good football related post.
My question is, do you not like the spread option offense, or do you not like the QB's on the Griz roster who will run it?
I'd say the last thing the Griz needed this fall was a major change in offensive system, I think the Griz should simply focus on doing what they do as well as possible.
My question is, do you not like the spread option offense, or do you not like the QB's on the Griz roster who will run it?
I'd say the last thing the Griz needed this fall was a major change in offensive system, I think the Griz should simply focus on doing what they do as well as possible.
garizzalies said:
Some people have really short memories. One of the main reasons "Bobby Ball" was so successful was because when he got his foot on the other team's throat he began rotating in guys to get them experience, which is why we never had to rebuild, just reload.
And regarding the "never blowing a team out":
2003 margins of victory: 10, 24, 13, 3, 5, 28, 38, 26, 31
2004 margins of victory: 7, 18, 11, 21, 2, 3, 12, 31, 16, 49, 30, 21
2005 margins of victory: 55, 7, 5, 22, 9, 21, 23, 17
2006 margins of victory: 29, 45, 6, 16, 3, 3, 13, 1, 32, 6, 25, 17
2007 margins of victory: 20, 49, 21, 8, 1, 14, 45, 5, 3, 13, 21
2008 margins of victory: 2, 36, 5, 3, 16, 36, 21, 35, 17, 19, 32, 18, 11, 8
2009 margins of victory: 38, 7, 32, 7, 12, 7, 15, 21, 2, 28, 14, 13, 51, 7
Not sure how you define a "blowout", but by my count that's 17 wins by 30+ points, another 16 by 20+ and a total of 45 wins by 2+ TD's.....and if you recall, many of those that ended up closer than 14 were long over with the 2nd & 3rd teamers in and the final score wasn't nearly as close as it seemed.
What I remember most vividly about last year was spotting what seemed like just about EVERY mediocre team a 10-14 point lead then having to play their ASSES off to pull out a victory.
We trailed Cal Poly 17-14 at halftime before pulling away in the 2nd half (6-5 team)
We never led at Sac State and got blown out (4-7 team)
We trailed PSU 13-0 and 21-7 before rallying (7-4 team)
We trailed NAU 14-0 before rallying (4-7 team)
We trailed Weber 3-0 before kicking their ass (5-6 team, this is where the offense finally clicked for the first time)
Oh. And we trailed SHSU 21-0 before outscoring them 28-3 and losing.
Selective memory and revisionist history aren't necessary...the facts speak for themselves.
garizzalies
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You're counting margins of victory over teams like Fart Lewis and Western States Ins Co, and even crappy BSC teams? That's why i stressed the word "GOOD" teams. Sorry you wasted your time. I don't need loaded stats to slant this argument; i remember the games and lived thru the agony of bobbyball and never want to go back.
Other than in 04 (when we were utilizing Ochs-ball and not Bobby-ball), i can think of only a few blowouts over GOOD teams (about the same number we had just last year).
I guess you could count the SFA beatdown but that had more to do with a drunk qb than anything else. How many times did he through it directly to one of our DTs? Otherwise, it seemed like every team could hang with the griz.
Other than in 04 (when we were utilizing Ochs-ball and not Bobby-ball), i can think of only a few blowouts over GOOD teams (about the same number we had just last year).
I guess you could count the SFA beatdown but that had more to do with a drunk qb than anything else. How many times did he through it directly to one of our DTs? Otherwise, it seemed like every team could hang with the griz.
Bobby Hauck has been gone a long time. It's time to move on. (Sorry, Dave.)
I loved last year's offense. It was fast-paced, multi-pronged, and fun as hell to watch.
I'm also looking forward to seeing how McKinney operates. His speed will cause some problems for our opponents.
What quarterback controversy?
I loved last year's offense. It was fast-paced, multi-pronged, and fun as hell to watch.
I'm also looking forward to seeing how McKinney operates. His speed will cause some problems for our opponents.
What quarterback controversy?
Copper Griz
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AZGrizFan said:
I despised BH for many reasons. Arrogance, boring offense, not winning the NC multiple times, stupid moves in Bozo, etc. Having said that, you have excellent points with your post and the stats more than prove we dominated plenty of teams. Exciting, hell no, but who cares - I want wins and a lot of them. I don't give two sthis what offense you run - just frigging win.
garizzalies said:
And none of your denial negates the fact that your awesome new air-bear offense sputtered out of the gate against numerous mediocre teams last year and really didn't even get fully engaged until about week 6. But don't let facts get in the way of your blind hatred for all things BH.
garizzalies
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That's basically the point i'm trying to make. We used to blow GOOD teams out all the time in the 90s. With bobby-ball, it happened very rarely, if ever. I count at least 2, possibly 3, GOOD teams that we blew out just last year (MSU, UNI, and maybe Weber). Finally we're starting to get back to real "demoralizing" football and people want to regress. I don't get it.AZGrizFan said:
as for your comments about the offense sputtering early in the year, what is that supposed to prove? Do i need to remind you of BH's propensity to play from behind? and you accuse me of having a bad memory? you're making no sense.
i admit there was a learning curve and some growing pains in 2010 and 2011. Now that we are hopefully thru the learning process, and have a better fit personnel-wise, some on here (including some who hated bobby-ball) want to throw the S-O out. I can't believe i even have to argue this.
AZ, are you arguing just to argue, or do you seriously want bobby-ball to return? If its the latter, i'm not going to waste anymore time.
For what it is worth, I think Bobby Ball was perfectly conceived to beat inferior teams. Play for field position, don't turnover the ball, don't take stupid penalties, take the field goal when you can; wait for the other team to make the big mistake to lose the game. The best manifestation of this was the 2009 App State game. App simply couldn't make the final play they needed.
I liked Bobby Ball, it was fun (for me) to watch. But it didn't work as well against the best teams.
I liked Bobby Ball, it was fun (for me) to watch. But it didn't work as well against the best teams.