Who will be the next UM Coach...

[PlayerRep]

Sorry folks. I just don't see any way in hell the Board of Regents approves hiring Bobby. Zero.

Pflugrad took the fall, but the problems that we went through were all with players that BH recruited here. Jordy is the only exception that I can think of, and he was acquitted.

While Hauck has some baggage, or perceived baggage, I doubt that the Regents would block his return. Engstrom would be the more likely stumbling block, but I think Hauck's strong, but not universal, support from large athletic donors and potential donors, several of whom are also large non-athletic donors, may cause Engstrom et al to take a closer look and overcome resistance to Hauck. And, Hauck is older and presumably wiser. Note the nice positive article written by the UNLV student reporter for athletics.

First, I don't think anyone deserved to be fired for bad-behavior issues among athletes at UM. That was a horrible decision by an inexperienced president who didn't know what he was doing, and who didn't seek proper advice. Everything was blown out of proportion by the Missoulian and Florio, who did a huge disservice to UM and MIssoula. Considerable harm was done to UM and Missoula by the Missoulian. Rumor and innuendo was pushed to the status of truth for several years. Engstrom got caught up in that. Much of what was presented as fact or almost fact, turned out not to be true.

Second, it was not all Bobby's recruits. Some of Pflu's transfers and a few of his younger guys were involved in some of the stuff too (look at the group BJ incident).

Third, many of the supposed problems or issues, turned out not to be true. Besides JJ, there were numerous other supposed issues, where no charges were brought, charges were dropped, school disciplinary proceedings were won by players or dropped by the university. Wilson's murder charge caused UM huge bad press, but he won his case, was allowed back at UM, and is playing in the NFL. While there has been too much bad behavior, the Missoulian and the internet made it seem like there was double or triple what there actually was.

Hauck was a huge disciplinarian who sent players on their way for the larger things, including, for example, the pre-season all-american Vernon Smith. Apparently, UNLV had very few issues while he was there. People should be judged in the present not in the past. Of course, the past needs to be considered, but look at the student newspaper thing. Does anybody really think there is a large chance of Hauck fighting with the Kaimin if he returned to Missoula. I don't.

 

[get'em_griz]

When was the last time we really expected to make deep playoff runs in the playoffs with a real legit shot at getting to the national championship game? That was with Bobby Hauck. With Hauck back, you can definitely expect more of that. And I don't want to hear the crap about how he's 0-3 in the national championship... He got us there and that's a hell of a lot better than what most teams get. I can't wait (Really really hoping) for Bobby to come back!

 

[Big G]

We need to hire Hauck back, people deserves second chances. I think Baldwin is already hired but that is the wrong choice. We will find out after this wekend who our new coach is but it has to be Baldwin since hes saying the things coaches say when they are leaving a program. I would wnat out of Cheney as fast as I could, maybe even take theUNLV gig to leave that meth hole.

 

[grizpack]

The more I am hearing, the more wrong I may be on the Hauck thing. I know 1 Regent is or was putting a lot of the blame on him. I didn't think Engstrom would touch it either.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

The more I am hearing, the more wrong I may be on the Hauck thing. I know 1 Regent is or was putting a lot of the blame on him. I didn't think Engstrom would touch it either.

Engstrom doesn't know what he's doing, and will seek too much advice from the wrong people. He's an impediment to Hauck. Even if Hauck is the right choice (and I don't profess to know what the right choice is), there should be no confidence that Engstrom will make a good decision or the right decision, or make the decision for the right reasons. Engstrom will likely made his decision based on the wrong reasons.

 

[mtgrizrule]

The more I am hearing, the more wrong I may be on the Hauck thing. I know 1 Regent is or was putting a lot of the blame on him. I didn't think Engstrom would touch it either.

Engstrom doesn't know what he's doing, and will seek too much advice from the wrong people. He's an impediment to Hauck. Even if Hauck is the right choice (and I don't profess to know what the right choice is), there should be no confidence that Engstrom will make a good decision or the right decision, or make the decision for the right reasons. Engstrom will likely made his decision based on the wrong reasons.

Our fan base is forgetting how powerful a few influential program contributors/donors are. I have a feeling rather it be Hauck or someone else, the hire will have to be someone backed by these supporters. Their is no way in hell, Engstrom takes the risk of making a hire not supported by these supporters. IF, big IF, Engstrom has the balls to make any other decision, then he better prepare his resume if his hire does not work out.

I am pretty sure most everyone else is on board with Hauck coming back. :thumb:

 

[indian-outlaw]

We need to hire Hauck back, people deserves second chances. I think Baldwin is already hired but that is the wrong choice. We will find out after this wekend who our new coach is but it has to be Baldwin since hes saying the things coaches say when they are leaving a program. I would wnat out of Cheney as fast as I could, maybe even take theUNLV gig to leave that meth hole.

Dude, didn't you say that Mike Kramer was a done deal? Why Hauck now?

 

[indian-outlaw]

Does anybody really think there is a large chance of Hauck fighting with the Kaimin if he returned to Missoula. I don't.

The reason Hauck is getting along with the student reporters and the administration is because he's had a humbling experience down there at UNLV. He needs allies in the papers and with the suits in the administration. He'll turn into the same dickwad he was when he lands another job.

 

[CHAD]

What exactly is the chipper? I like to consider myself to be fairly hip and I have never heard this word used as a national championship term. I know of Chipper Jones, the former 3rd baseman for the Braves. I have also been known to enjoy a "chocolate chipper sundae" from Perkins. I am even familiar with a bluechip prospect being referred to as a chipper. Finally, when I had some trees removed from my yard, they used a wood chipper. Never ever heard of a national championship referred to a chipper. I envision some dude sitting around in his underwear with Dorito stains on his wifebeater trying super hard to come up with a new hip phrase to signify a national championship. Upon dipping his Dorito into his salsa, he looked up and shouted, "shit I lost my chipper in the salsa, just like Hauck lost the chipper three times. I think I will forever call a national championship a chipper as well as never wash my wifebeater."

I am sure that my post will make some of you on egriz not so chipper with me.

Also, does it really matter if the coach can sing the fight song or not? I am sure that once they get here, the folks on egriz will be more than happy to teach it to the new coach.

 

[firstdown-montana...]

Balwin doesn't show up for the game. He and BH get arrested after a bar brawl.
GRIZ 72 seagulls 0 :werd:

 

[SoldierGriz]

What exactly is the chipper? I like to consider myself to be fairly hip and I have never heard this word used as a national championship term. I know of Chipper Jones, the former 3rd baseman for the Braves. I have also been known to enjoy a "chocolate chipper sundae" from Perkins. I am even familiar with a bluechip prospect being referred to as a chipper. Finally, when I had some trees removed from my yard, they used a wood chipper. Never ever heard of a national championship referred to a chipper. I envision some dude sitting around in his underwear with Dorito stains on his wifebeater trying super hard to come up with a new hip phrase to signify a national championship. Upon dipping his Dorito into his salsa, he looked up and shouted, "shit I lost my chipper in the salsa, just like Hauck lost the chipper three times. I think I will forever call a national championship a chipper as well as never wash my wifebeater."

I am sure that my post will make some of you on egriz not so chipper with me.

From the Urban Dictionary....a very, very reliable source:
"chipper"

One who enjoys the art of plugging away at something until they have succeeded against all the odds. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

The more I am hearing, the more wrong I may be on the Hauck thing. I know 1 Regent is or was putting a lot of the blame on him. I didn't think Engstrom would touch it either.

While I thought some large donor viewpoints might help overcome the reluctance, I think you may be right with your initial post.

 

[Copper Griz]

The more I am hearing, the more wrong I may be on the Hauck thing. I know 1 Regent is or was putting a lot of the blame on him. I didn't think Engstrom would touch it either.

While I thought some large donor viewpoints might help overcome the reluctance, I think you may be right with your initial post.

The question is really , "What is he being blamed for?" Kids who made bad decisions and got into trouble when Bobby was at home in bed with his family. I not a huge BH fan, but blaming a coach for problems associated with players off the field is ludicrous. Does anyone one this board actually think a kid would want to face the wrath of BH after getting in trouble. The guy would looked pissed off after he heard he won the lottery. He is not a kinder, gentler disciplinarian. Kids getting in trouble is not unique to the U of M and to say it was the coaches fault is ridiculous. If a regent feels that he is to blame - then they are morons and naive. Possibly they are also a damn Bobcat fan. I think BH will get the job, but Gpack may be correct in thinking that Engstrom does not have the nads to make the right decision. Pathetic really and NO - I am not speaking as a fan. I would be saying the same thing if RASH was in a similar situation. BTW - do some digging. Does MSU have similar skeletons in the closet. Yep and I bet the regents would not have a problem hiring Rash back for the HC of Bozo.

 

[George Ferguson]

I am hearing similiar things, that Engstrom and the BOR are not warm on Bobby because of the past. I find it disappointing that head coaches don't get any credit for the hundreds and hundreds of kids that do things the right way. For the people that only look at the bad apples that played at UM during Hauck's tenure, that's too bad because they're basically discrediting the hundreds of kids who succeeded and were model student-athletes under BH, kids like Marc, Kroy, Schann, Tyler Joyce, Cody, Colt, Mike Ferriter, the list goes on and on.

For what it's worth, I'm thinking it might come down to a choice between Pease and Ty.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Serious question: Would any FBS team give Bobby a pass on his UNLV years? If not, why are so many Griz fans willing to do that?

 

[get'em_griz]

Serious question: Would any FBS team give Bobby a pass on his UNLV years? If not, why are so many Griz fans willing to do that?

Because UNLV is a lost cause. I don't think even Nick Saban could turn that place into a winning program.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I am hearing similiar things, that Engstrom and the BOR are not warm on Bobby because of the past. I find it disappointing that head coaches don't get any credit for the hundreds and hundreds of kids that do things the right way. For the people that only look at the bad apples that played at UM during Hauck's tenure, that's too bad because they're basically discrediting the hundreds of kids who succeeded and were model student-athletes under BH, kids like Marc, Kroy, Schann, Tyler Joyce, Cody, Colt, Mike Ferriter, the list goes on and on.

For what it's worth, I'm thinking it might come down to a choice between Pease and Ty.

Yet an accused foreign male student (was he from Saudi?) supposedly goes free under Engstrom's watch. If they are holding Hauck to ridiculous standards, I expect Engstrom to be held to the same standards. See ya, Royce, and don't let the door hit you in the ass. :thumb:

 

[Hammer]

I am hearing similiar things, that Engstrom and the BOR are not warm on Bobby because of the past. I find it disappointing that head coaches don't get any credit for the hundreds and hundreds of kids that do things the right way. For the people that only look at the bad apples that played at UM during Hauck's tenure, that's too bad because they're basically discrediting the hundreds of kids who succeeded and were model student-athletes under BH, kids like Marc, Kroy, Schann, Tyler Joyce, Cody, Colt, Mike Ferriter, the list goes on and on.

For what it's worth, I'm thinking it might come down to a choice between Pease and Ty.

I'm thinking neither. Don't be surprised if Stitt gets the job.

 

[Griz Man]

I would love Stitt. West Virginia credited him in a major way with the offense that gave Clemson fits in the 2012 Orange Bowl. People point to Stitt's W-L record at CO Mines, but he's got nerdy engineers playing for him. It's amazing that he's done as well as he has. I also love that he goes for it on 4th down a large percentage of the time. He takes it TO the other team, and you know how much players love that. The man is truly an offensive visionary - now we just need some more visionary fans to get on board.

"Stitt: get used to it."

 

[grzz]

I am hearing similiar things, that Engstrom and the BOR are not warm on Bobby because of the past. I find it disappointing that head coaches don't get any credit for the hundreds and hundreds of kids that do things the right way. For the people that only look at the bad apples that played at UM during Hauck's tenure, that's too bad because they're basically discrediting the hundreds of kids who succeeded and were model student-athletes under BH, kids like Marc, Kroy, Schann, Tyler Joyce, Cody, Colt, Mike Ferriter, the list goes on and on.

For what it's worth, I'm thinking it might come down to a choice between Pease and Ty.

Yet an accused foreign male student (was he from Saudi?) supposedly goes free under Engstrom's watch. If they are holding Hauck to ridiculous standards, I expect Engstrom to be held to the same standards. See ya, Royce, and don't let the door hit you in the ass. :thumb:

The President of the University does not deal with discipline unless that student goes through the whole process including the administrative hearing with the Dean of Students or the Assistant Director of Residence Life, appeals those the the VP of Student Affairs, appeals that to the Student Court.

Not defending Royce, but you will note that the Dean of Students who botched that one no longer works at the University either...(though he had already announced his retirement).