Which 4?

[Robsnotes4u]

This is 100% correct. The D2 win literally doesn’t count as a win for playoff consideration. Scheduling a d2 does absolutely nothing for your team. You have to have 6-7 D1 wins to even be considered for playoffs. Anymore it’s more like 7. We will not be 8-3 in the committee’s eyes or views….we will be 7-3 because they will literally throw out the d2 win. Griz need to win 4 games just to be on the bubble. This is not difficult to comprehend at all.

Where's your source?

D2 isn't mentioned in the playoff selection criteria. The head of the section committee last year said a 9-2 bubble team didn't get in because of a weak SOS and. playing a weak D2 game. The committee sure as heck considered that D2 game.

The selection criteria says only that teams with only 6 D1 wins may not be considered for selection. Again, D2 is not even mentioned in the criteria. Overall record is the first criteria, and it says nothing about excluding D2.

I think you are dead wrong. And that's what some of my AD sources have told me over the years.

Do you understand played a D2 team?

He is the quote from last year read 10 times

“ That begs the question: What about UC Davis? The Aggies were on the playoff fringe, finished higher than the Griz in the Big Sky standings but didn’t make the cut.

Ultimately, having one less overall D-I win was their fatal blow.

“In a crowded field, it was hard when you only have six D-I wins,” Truax said. “UC Davis made a late push to get in there … and while they showed well, they only finished with six D-I wins … every other team we were talking about had seven.”

 

[mthoopsfan]

Here are the first two FCS playoff selection criteria:

"Overall record

Record against Division I opponents (an institution with fewer than six Division I wins may place that team in jeopardy of not being selected)"

Why would there be an "overall record" criteria if the only games considered for the playoffs were DI games? Why wouldn't there just be that D-I category?

What does Overall Record mean? Doesn't it mean the record of every game played? Nothing is said to be excluded. If D2's weren't to be counted in "overall record", why wouldn't the playoff criteria say that? Why wouldn't the criteria or the ncaa mention D2 somewhere? Why not just have the second criteria of DI wins, if D2 isn't counted at all?

If D2 games aren't counted at all, why did the playoff selection chair say that a 9-2 bubble team wasn't selected because of SOS and having played (a weak) D2 (Albany St). The D2 game was clearly considered last year in selection.

Why is there no mention of D2 anywhere n the FCS playoff selection criteria, if D2 games are to be completed ignored? At least, I didn't see any mention of D2.

Why does there seem not to be any publicly available mention or statement that D2 games are not to be considered at all in FCS playoff selection?

Help me out. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Here are the first two FCS playoff selection criteria:

"Overall record

Record against Division I opponents (an institution with fewer than six Division I wins may place that team in jeopardy of not being selected)"

Why would there be an "overall record" criteria if the only games considered for the playoffs were DI games? Why wouldn't there just be that D-I category?

What does Overall Record mean? Doesn't it mean the record of every game played? Nothing is said to be excluded. If D2's weren't to be counted in "overall record", why wouldn't the playoff criteria say that? Why wouldn't the criteria or the ncaa mention D2 somewhere? Why not just have the second criteria of DI wins, if D2 isn't counted at all?

If D2 games aren't counted at all, why did the playoff selection chair say that a 9-2 bubble team wasn't selected because of SOS and having played (a weak) D2 (Albany St). The D2 game was clearly considered last year in selection.

Why is there no mention of D2 anywhere n the FCS playoff selection criteria, if D2 games are to be completed ignored? At least, I didn't see any mention of D2.

Why does there seem not to be any publicly available mention or statement that D2 games are not to be considered at all in FCS playoff selection?

Help me out. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Here this guy definitely has more knowledge than you on the FCS and the playoffs.

“ For the teams looking to position themselves in the playoff seeds or earn an at-large bid, non-D1 wins are not included on playoff resumes.”

https://herosports.com/fcs-football-2022-non-counter-games-bzbz/

 

[mthoopsfan]

Where's your source?

D2 isn't mentioned in the playoff selection criteria. The head of the section committee last year said a 9-2 bubble team didn't get in because of a weak SOS and. playing a weak D2 game. The committee sure as heck considered that D2 game.

The selection criteria says only that teams with only 6 D1 wins may not be considered for selection. Again, D2 is not even mentioned in the criteria. Overall record is the first criteria, and it says nothing about excluding D2.

I think you are dead wrong. And that's what some of my AD sources have told me over the years.

Do you understand played a D2 team?

He is the quote from last year read 10 times

“ That begs the question: What about UC Davis? The Aggies were on the playoff fringe, finished higher than the Griz in the Big Sky standings but didn’t make the cut.

Ultimately, having one less overall D-I win was their fatal blow.

Yes, I understand that DI wins are one of the criteria, just like overall record is one of the criteria (in fact, the first one)

“In a crowded field, it was hard when you only have six D-I wins,” Truax said. “UC Davis made a late push to get in there … and while they showed well, they only finished with six D-I wins … every other team we were talking about had seven.”

Yes, I understand that DI wins are one of the criteria, just like overall record is one of the criteria (in fact, the first one).

Do you understand what "overall record" means? Doesn't it have to mean ALL of the games played? There's no exclusion for D2 games in that criteria, or anywhere else.

Yes, I understand if there are teams with 7 DI wins and 6 DI wins, from the same conference or from similarly strong conferences, that the 7 DI team is likely to, or will be, selected over the 6 DI team.

Last year, Davis was 6-5. Not only did they have only 6 DI wins, they had 5 losses. They weren't selected. A D2 game had nothing to do with them not being selected.

Again, UM is a slam dunk selection with an 8-3 record. 100%. Not bubble.

At 7-4, a Big Sky or MV or maybe CAA teams with 7 DI wins would probably be selected over UM. But a 7-4 from a weak conference probably wouldn't be selected over UM. Again, it would depend on the circumstances and SOS and maybe SRS rank. Ferris might actually be a benefit in selecting UM in that situation, because they were better than teams that the other 7-4 team played.

The committee says it wants the best teams. I don't think the committee gets hung up over small things. Even the criteria that teams with less than 6 DI wins might not dictate the decision, in some situations.

Again, feel free to prove me wrong with something in writing in the selection criteria or somewhere. Let's see your definitive word. I don't care what you think or what you think you heard. The video of the former UNI AD doesn't even mention D2. He focuses at one point on DI wins, and that's ONE of the selection criteria.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Here are the first two FCS playoff selection criteria:

"Overall record

Record against Division I opponents (an institution with fewer than six Division I wins may place that team in jeopardy of not being selected)"

Why would there be an "overall record" criteria if the only games considered for the playoffs were DI games? Why wouldn't there just be that D-I category?

What does Overall Record mean? Doesn't it mean the record of every game played? Nothing is said to be excluded. If D2's weren't to be counted in "overall record", why wouldn't the playoff criteria say that? Why wouldn't the criteria or the ncaa mention D2 somewhere? Why not just have the second criteria of DI wins, if D2 isn't counted at all?

If D2 games aren't counted at all, why did the playoff selection chair say that a 9-2 bubble team wasn't selected because of SOS and having played (a weak) D2 (Albany St). The D2 game was clearly considered last year in selection.

Why is there no mention of D2 anywhere n the FCS playoff selection criteria, if D2 games are to be completed ignored? At least, I didn't see any mention of D2.

Why does there seem not to be any publicly available mention or statement that D2 games are not to be considered at all in FCS playoff selection?

Help me out. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Here this guy definitely has more knowledge than you on the FCS and the playoffs.

“ For the teams looking to position themselves in the playoff seeds or earn an at-large bid, non-D1 wins are not included on playoff resumes.”

https://herosports.com/fcs-football-2022-non-counter-games-bzbz/

Okay, that's something. However, Herder is often wrong, and I think he's a buffoon. He thinks Harvard gets the best recruiting classes in many years (even when Harvard doesn't even have the best recruiting class in the Ivies). Let's see something more definitive.

And, answer my question of why there is an "overall record" selection category if only DI wins are considered? Why not just leave out overall record, as there's already a DI win category.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Here are the first two FCS playoff selection criteria:

"Overall record

Record against Division I opponents (an institution with fewer than six Division I wins may place that team in jeopardy of not being selected)"

Why would there be an "overall record" criteria if the only games considered for the playoffs were DI games? Why wouldn't there just be that D-I category?

What does Overall Record mean? Doesn't it mean the record of every game played? Nothing is said to be excluded. If D2's weren't to be counted in "overall record", why wouldn't the playoff criteria say that? Why wouldn't the criteria or the ncaa mention D2 somewhere? Why not just have the second criteria of DI wins, if D2 isn't counted at all?

If D2 games aren't counted at all, why did the playoff selection chair say that a 9-2 bubble team wasn't selected because of SOS and having played (a weak) D2 (Albany St). The D2 game was clearly considered last year in selection.

Why is there no mention of D2 anywhere n the FCS playoff selection criteria, if D2 games are to be completed ignored? At least, I didn't see any mention of D2.

Why does there seem not to be any publicly available mention or statement that D2 games are not to be considered at all in FCS playoff selection?

Help me out. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Why do you not put the quote in correctly?, it says nothing about a weak d2 team. It says SOS and D2, the same situation the Griz are in. This answers your own question.

“ FCS Playoff committee chair Jermaine Truax said that FAMU’s strength of schedule and a win over Division II Albany State were the main factors in keeping the program from making the playoffs. FAMU’s strength of schedule was 108th in the nation.,”

They were 8-2, as the 9th win was D2

Now put this to rest and move on, realizing losing to the Cats, NAU, Idaho, and Sac, like you said in a previous post, puts the Griz at 6-4, and out. Win one of the three, as you already lost to NAU, and don’t lose to PSU or NC, and you will have 7 wins and on the bubble, hoping your other two OOC wins and your SOS carries you past other bubble teams.

I m done and you are welcome.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Here are the first two FCS playoff selection criteria:

"Overall record

Record against Division I opponents (an institution with fewer than six Division I wins may place that team in jeopardy of not being selected)"

Why would there be an "overall record" criteria if the only games considered for the playoffs were DI games? Why wouldn't there just be that D-I category?

What does Overall Record mean? Doesn't it mean the record of every game played? Nothing is said to be excluded. If D2's weren't to be counted in "overall record", why wouldn't the playoff criteria say that? Why wouldn't the criteria or the ncaa mention D2 somewhere? Why not just have the second criteria of DI wins, if D2 isn't counted at all?

If D2 games aren't counted at all, why did the playoff selection chair say that a 9-2 bubble team wasn't selected because of SOS and having played (a weak) D2 (Albany St). The D2 game was clearly considered last year in selection.

Why is there no mention of D2 anywhere n the FCS playoff selection criteria, if D2 games are to be completed ignored? At least, I didn't see any mention of D2.

Why does there seem not to be any publicly available mention or statement that D2 games are not to be considered at all in FCS playoff selection?

Help me out. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Why do you not put the quote in correctly?, it says nothing about a weak d2 team. It says SOS and D2, the same situation the Griz are in. This answers your own question.

“ FCS Playoff committee chair Jermaine Truax said that FAMU’s strength of schedule and a win over Division II Albany State were the main factors in keeping the program from making the playoffs. FAMU’s strength of schedule was 108th in the nation.,”

They were 8-2, as the 9th win was D2

Now put this to rest and move on, realizing losing to the Cats, NAU, Idaho, and Sac, like you said in a previous post, puts the Griz at 6-4, and out. Win one of the three, as you already lost to NAU, and don’t lose to PSU or NC, and you will have 7 wins and on the bubble, hoping your other two OOC wins and your SOS carries you past other bubble teams.

I m done and you are welcome.

I sent Truax an email. We may soon now that you were right.

I just want a definitive answer on this one. If I’m, I’m wrong. I’m right on the wording, though, but the ncaa selection group has its own different view.

As for the quote, I already put the full quote above. I was just mentioning that it was a weak DII, as opposed to a strong DII.

So, you still think 8-3 puts UM on the bubble? I say in the playoffs.

 

[mthoopsfan]

A friend who is former member of selection committee believes 3 more wins would likely get the Griz in.

 

[The.Real.2506]

I love that PR is still trying to convince himself that the gris are still a bubble team in week 6

 

[CatsRback]

PR doesn’t know anything about modern day football. I crushed him in a thread yesterday and he deflected the whole thing. Time for him to move on… FCS committee doesn’t count D2 wins. That’s been a thing for like… a long time now. Anyone with a lick of FCS playoff knowledge knows this.

 

[mthoopsfan]

PR doesn’t know anything about modern day football. I crushed him in a thread yesterday and he deflected the whole thing. Time for him to move on… FCS committee doesn’t count D2 wins. That’s been a thing for like… a long time now. Anyone with a lick of FCS playoff knowledge knows this.

You crushed me in nothing.

 

[mthoopsfan]

PR doesn’t know anything about modern day football. I crushed him in a thread yesterday and he deflected the whole thing. Time for him to move on… FCS committee doesn’t count D2 wins. That’s been a thing for like… a long time now. Anyone with a lick of FCS playoff knowledge knows this.

Double post.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I love that PR is still trying to convince himself that the gris are still a bubble team in week 6

See the post above your post.

 

[mthoopsfan]

PR doesn’t know anything about modern day football. I crushed him in a thread yesterday and he deflected the whole thing. Time for him to move on… FCS committee doesn’t count D2 wins. That’s been a thing for like… a long time now. Anyone with a lick of FCS playoff knowledge knows this.

Where in the FCS playoff selection criteria and any related ncaa publication does it say that D2 wins are not counted?

What does the first criterion of “overall record” mean?

I see no mention of D2 in the FCS playoff materials.

Of course, D2 wins are not counted in the DI win criterion.

If only DI wins were considered, there would be no reason to have an overall record category.

The “everyone knows” argument doesn’t cut it with me. Where’s the backup for everyone knows?

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

PR doesn’t know anything about modern day football. I crushed him in a thread yesterday and he deflected the whole thing. Time for him to move on… FCS committee doesn’t count D2 wins. That’s been a thing for like… a long time now. Anyone with a lick of FCS playoff knowledge knows this.

Where in the FCS playoff selection criteria and any related ncaa publication does it say that D2 wins are not counted?

What does the first criterion of “overall record” mean?

I see no mention of D2 in the FCS playoff materials.

Of course, D2 wins are not counted in the DI win criterion.

If only DI wins were considered, there would be no reason to have an overall record category.

The “everyone knows” argument doesn’t cut it with me. Where’s the backup for everyone knows?

Give it a rest, my guy. Stop digging a deeper hole against a cats fan.

Why do you not put the quote in correctly?, it says nothing about a weak d2 team. It says SOS and D2, the same situation the Griz are in. This answers your own question.

“ FCS Playoff committee chair Jermaine Truax said that FAMU’s strength of schedule and a win over Division II Albany State were the main factors in keeping the program from making the playoffs. FAMU’s strength of schedule was 108th in the nation.,”

They were 8-2, as the 9th win was D2

Now put this to rest and move on, realizing losing to the Cats, NAU, Idaho, and Sac, like you said in a previous post, puts the Griz at 6-4, and out. Win one of the three, as you already lost to NAU, and don’t lose to PSU or NC, and you will have 7 wins and on the bubble, hoping your other two OOC wins and your SOS carries you past other bubble teams.

I m done and you are welcome.

I sent Truax an email. We may soon now that you were right.

I just want a definitive answer on this one. If I’m, I’m wrong. I’m right on the wording, though, but the ncaa selection group has its own different view.

As for the quote, I already put the full quote above. I was just mentioning that it was a weak DII, as opposed to a strong DII.

So, you still think 8-3 puts UM on the bubble? I say in the playoffs.

People are sick and tired of your damn "emails."

 

[jefferson2023]

2014 Idaho State 8-4 overall 6-2 in conference. Losses to University of Utah, Utah State, Eastern Washington and Montana State. 2 wins over D2 schools Chadron State and Simon Fraser. Did NOT get into the playoffs

 

[GrizRealist]

I got this from Twitter before I posted why the bubble team didn't make the playoffs last year: "FCS Playoffs Chairman Jermaine Truax says that Florida A&M's SOS and the Rattlers win over D-II Albany State were the main factors keeping the Rattlers out of the FCS Playoffs. The Rattlers had the 108th SOS this season"

Bring on your citations. I'm happy to be proven wrong. Also, please show us where D2 is even mentioned in the FCS playoff selection criteria. Please show us where D2 is excluded from the SRS/ Please show us where D2 is excluded from "overall record".

Are you really saying a D2 loss, especially to a weak one, wouldn't impact playoff selection.

Overall record includes all games. Nowhere in the playoff selection criteria does it say that D2 games don't count, other than saying teams with only 6 DI wins may not make it. I don't believe D2 is mentioned anywhere in the playoff selection criteria. Nor is there any mention of what games count and what games don't count.

UM tries to schedule games that the fans want. Fans don't want D2 games. Games aren't easy to schedule, so sometimes the AD has to take what he can get.

I am still personal friends with multiple former AD's and have communicated today (and yesterday). I've known every AD at UM and Dartmouth for many decades. Also, some AD's at other schools. '

So, you are a car salesman? That's big time.

Yep, I was a used car manager. Very proud of it. Nice try.

You handled Hoop's personal attack well. When he starts getting personal you know you've got to him because that is typically where he resorts to try and act superior. Fact of the matter is, while your profession may not be viewed in the same way a lawyer is, you probably did more than alright for yourself, maybe even better than being a lawyer. In my business dealings, the most successful people (50MM+ net worth) I dealt with had a few things in common. They never boasted about their success, they never talked down to people, they never visually caried an aura of wealth (Nice cars, Rolexes, etc), and none of them practiced law. Just something for everyone to keep in mind as Hoop's name drops his way around eGriz telling everyone how smart he is and how dumb everyone else is. Actual good people don't behave like that.

Additionally, I agree with you regarding the playoff selection.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Yep, I was a used car manager. Very proud of it. Nice try.

You handled Hoop's personal attack well. When he starts getting personal you know you've got to him because that is typically where he resorts to try and act superior. Fact of the matter is, while your profession may not be viewed in the same way a lawyer is, you probably did more than alright for yourself, maybe even better than being a lawyer. In my business dealings, the most successful people (50MM+ net worth) I dealt with had a few things in common. They never boasted about their success, they never talked down to people, they never visually caried an aura of wealth (Nice cars, Rolexes, etc), and none of them practiced law. Just something for everyone to keep in mind as Hoop's name drops his way around eGriz telling everyone how smart he is and how dumb everyone else is. Actual good people don't behave like that.

Additionally, I agree with you regarding the playoff selection.

Thank you

 

[CatsRback]

PR doesn’t know anything about modern day football. I crushed him in a thread yesterday and he deflected the whole thing. Time for him to move on… FCS committee doesn’t count D2 wins. That’s been a thing for like… a long time now. Anyone with a lick of FCS playoff knowledge knows this.

You crushed me in nothing.

I did. And I’m not the only one, you need to give this board a rest for a little while. Nobody buys your superiority complex anymore .

 

[CatsRback]

PR doesn’t know anything about modern day football. I crushed him in a thread yesterday and he deflected the whole thing. Time for him to move on… FCS committee doesn’t count D2 wins. That’s been a thing for like… a long time now. Anyone with a lick of FCS playoff knowledge knows this.

Where in the FCS playoff selection criteria and any related ncaa publication does it say that D2 wins are not counted?

What does the first criterion of “overall record” mean?

I see no mention of D2 in the FCS playoff materials.

Of course, D2 wins are not counted in the DI win criterion.

If only DI wins were considered, there would be no reason to have an overall record category.

The “everyone knows” argument doesn’t cut it with me. Where’s the backup for everyone knows?

MT. Give it a rest, you’re just plain wrong.