Which 4?

[Bear Spray]

Yep, I was a used car manager. Very proud of it. Nice try.

You handled Hoop's personal attack well. When he starts getting personal you know you've got to him because that is typically where he resorts to try and act superior. Fact of the matter is, while your profession may not be viewed in the same way a lawyer is, you probably did more than alright for yourself, maybe even better than being a lawyer. In my business dealings, the most successful people (50MM+ net worth) I dealt with had a few things in common. They never boasted about their success, they never talked down to people, they never visually caried an aura of wealth (Nice cars, Rolexes, etc), and none of them practiced law. Just something for everyone to keep in mind as Hoop's name drops his way around eGriz telling everyone how smart he is and how dumb everyone else is. Actual good people don't behave like that.

Additionally, I agree with you regarding the playoff selection.

+1 except I'd take a professional used car manager anytime over a blowhard attorney.

 

[The.Real.2506]

I love that PR is still trying to convince himself that the gris are still a bubble team in week 6

See the post above your post.

Keep the faith there little guy :thumb:

 

[Counter Assault]

Rob’s original assessment is most accurate. The best path is to beat Davis, UNC and PSU. And hopefully get Sac or MSU. I think beating Idaho is least likely. Beating Sac is probably the most likely way. However, I don’t think PSU is as big of a layup as eGriz thinks either. Lots of variables.

Per Sam Herder:

But it’s relatively straightforward that non-D1 wins don’t count on a team’s playoff resume. So if Montana goes 7-4, for example, the committee would view them as a six-win team. (Feel free to screenshot and share on there haha)

Really what they look at is your FCS record. Non-D1 wins are irrelevant. FBS losses don’t punish you. But FBS wins would boost you up

8-3 Montana team = 7-3

7-4 Team X with FBS loss = 7-3

 

[mthoopsfan]

Rob’s original assessment is most accurate. The best path is to beat Davis, UNC and PSU. And hopefully get Sac or MSU. I think beating Idaho is least likely. Beating Sac is probably the most likely way. However, I don’t think PSU is as big of a layup as eGriz thinks either. Lots of variables.

Per Sam Herder:

But it’s relatively straightforward that non-D1 wins don’t count on a team’s playoff resume. So if Montana goes 7-4, for example, the committee would view them as a six-win team. (Feel free to screenshot and share on there haha)

Really what they look at is your FCS record. Non-D1 wins are irrelevant. FBS losses don’t punish you. But FBS wins would boost you up

8-3 Montana team = 7-3

7-4 Team X with FBS loss = 7-3

I question what Herder said. The FCS playoff section wording doesn't say that, and in fact, indicates that D2 wins would count in the overall record category. Everyone agrees on what DI wins mean. Truax responded not be saying D2 wins didn't count, but by referring me to someone else. O'Day didn't say D2 wins didn't count. I couldn't find any NCAA publication that backed up what Herder has said.

A 7-4 team with an FBS loss is 7-4, not 7-3.

I still believe an 8-3 UM team should be 8-3, because that's what the FCS selection criteria appears to say. Again, "Overall Wins". No where is it stated FCS playoff selection materials that D2 wins don't count. D2 is never even mentioned. The Ferris win is better than most FCS wins. The goal of the committee is to select the best teams. It would be only a technicality, not supported by the selection criteria, if the Ferris win didn't count as a win. An 8-3 UM team should be 8-3, not 7-3. A former playoff committee member friend told me he thinks the Griz get in with 3 more wins.

 

[CatsRback]

Rob’s original assessment is most accurate. The best path is to beat Davis, UNC and PSU. And hopefully get Sac or MSU. I think beating Idaho is least likely. Beating Sac is probably the most likely way. However, I don’t think PSU is as big of a layup as eGriz thinks either. Lots of variables.

Per Sam Herder:

But it’s relatively straightforward that non-D1 wins don’t count on a team’s playoff resume. So if Montana goes 7-4, for example, the committee would view them as a six-win team. (Feel free to screenshot and share on there haha)

Really what they look at is your FCS record. Non-D1 wins are irrelevant. FBS losses don’t punish you. But FBS wins would boost you up

8-3 Montana team = 7-3

7-4 Team X with FBS loss = 7-3

I question what Herder said. The FCS playoff section wording doesn't say that, and in fact, indicates that D2 wins would count in the overall record category. Everyone agrees on what DI wins mean. Truax responded not be saying D2 wins didn't count, but by referring me to someone else. O'Day didn't say D2 wins didn't count. I couldn't find any NCAA publication that backed up what Herder has said.

A 7-4 team with an FBS loss is 7-4, not 7-3.

I still believe an 8-3 UM team should be 8-3, because that's what the FCS selection criteria appears to say. Again, "Overall Wins". No where is it stated FCS playoff selection materials that D2 wins don't count. D2 is never even mentioned. The Ferris win is better than most FCS wins. The goal of the committee is to select the best teams. It would be only a technicality, not supported by the selection criteria, if the Ferris win didn't count as a win. An 8-3 UM team should be 8-3, not 7-3. A former playoff committee member friend told me he thinks the Griz get in with 3 more wins.

Your sources are leaving you out to dry badly this fall… they owe you some beers.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I question what Herder said. The FCS playoff section wording doesn't say that, and in fact, indicates that D2 wins would count in the overall record category. Everyone agrees on what DI wins mean. Truax responded not be saying D2 wins didn't count, but by referring me to someone else. O'Day didn't say D2 wins didn't count. I couldn't find any NCAA publication that backed up what Herder has said.

A 7-4 team with an FBS loss is 7-4, not 7-3.

I still believe an 8-3 UM team should be 8-3, because that's what the FCS selection criteria appears to say. Again, "Overall Wins". No where is it stated FCS playoff selection materials that D2 wins don't count. D2 is never even mentioned. The Ferris win is better than most FCS wins. The goal of the committee is to select the best teams. It would be only a technicality, not supported by the selection criteria, if the Ferris win didn't count as a win. An 8-3 UM team should be 8-3, not 7-3. A former playoff committee member friend told me he thinks the Griz get in with 3 more wins.

Your sources are leaving you out to dry badly this fall… they owe you some beers.

My recent sources so far are 1 former and 1 current selector. Neither have supported Herder. Neither have been definitive with me either.

 

[CatsNoMatterWhat]

Your sources are leaving you out to dry badly this fall… they owe you some beers.

My recent sources so far are 1 former and 1 current selector. Neither have supported Herder. Neither have been definitive with me either.

I cannot believe...

I. CAN. NOT. BELIEVE. that my first post on this site (been lurking for a long time, regular poster on BN) is in support of mthoops, who, frankly, grates on me like nobody's business. I thought for the longest time he was parody. But I think he's been reasonable and fair this entire debate.

1. He's conceded that Herder has an argument other than his (he also doesn't agree with it...but that's fair)
2. He says his sources have disagreed with Herder, but he also admits his sources haven't been definitive with him
3. I think his tone in this debate (for the most part---he gets a little petty in the middle bagging on the dude's profession) has been even open.

My take away is nobody really knows what the f**k the committee is basing things on. I'm glad they're brining back the mid-season rankings so we can track it a little better. As a Cats fan, I feel like we got HOSED last year...but, others disagree. There's no way to know because the committee essentially put together the bracket THEY wanted to see and tried to justify it later.

My point? Just win.

GO CATS!

 

[mtgriz]

You handled Hoop's personal attack well. When he starts getting personal you know you've got to him because that is typically where he resorts to try and act superior. Fact of the matter is, while your profession may not be viewed in the same way a lawyer is, you probably did more than alright for yourself, maybe even better than being a lawyer. In my business dealings, the most successful people (50MM+ net worth) I dealt with had a few things in common. They never boasted about their success, they never talked down to people, they never visually caried an aura of wealth (Nice cars, Rolexes, etc), and none of them practiced law. Just something for everyone to keep in mind as Hoop's name drops his way around eGriz telling everyone how smart he is and how dumb everyone else is. Actual good people don't behave like that.

Additionally, I agree with you regarding the playoff selection.

Thank you

I am reminded of a couple things from an excellent book, The Millionaire Next Door. There are a lot of people out there with a big hat and no cattle; and even more people that spend their lives buying things with money they don’t have, for things they don’t need, to impress people they don’t even like.

 

[marceagfan5]

The Griz only need 3 wins to get in the playoffs....no way they leave a 7-4 Griz team out, no chance...

Its crazy to see all the posts over here about the sky is falling....you guys are 4-1, my goodness. I know your schedule has been pretty easy and you haven't looked great, but you are still 4-1. EWU has played pretty dang good this year and we are 2-3, I'd take 4-1 in a freaking heartbeat!

You'll beat UNC, PSU and probably Sac. You get the Cats at home. Davis is good but not great. Griz are in a good spot....and the FCS is down this year, make the playoffs and there are probably 10-12 teams that could win it...

 

[mthoopsfan]

Thank you

I am reminded of a couple things from an excellent book, The Millionaire Next Door. There are a lot of people out there with a big hat and no cattle; and even more people that spend their lives buying things with money they don’t have, for things they don’t need, to impress people they don’t even like.

I don't wear hats but we have a lot of cattle on the family ranch. Not as many as the old days.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

The Griz only need 3 wins to get in the playoffs....no way they leave a 7-4 Griz team out, no chance...

Its crazy to see all the posts over here about the sky is falling....you guys are 4-1, my goodness. I know your schedule has been pretty easy and you haven't looked great, but you are still 4-1. EWU has played pretty dang good this year and we are 2-3, I'd take 4-1 in a freaking heartbeat!

You'll beat UNC, PSU and probably Sac. You get the Cats at home. Davis is good but not great. Griz are in a good spot....and the FCS is down this year, make the playoffs and there are probably 10-12 teams that could win it...

3 wins gets them to 6 D1 wins and are out.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The Griz only need 3 wins to get in the playoffs....no way they leave a 7-4 Griz team out, no chance...

Its crazy to see all the posts over here about the sky is falling....you guys are 4-1, my goodness. I know your schedule has been pretty easy and you haven't looked great, but you are still 4-1. EWU has played pretty dang good this year and we are 2-3, I'd take 4-1 in a freaking heartbeat!

You'll beat UNC, PSU and probably Sac. You get the Cats at home. Davis is good but not great. Griz are in a good spot....and the FCS is down this year, make the playoffs and there are probably 10-12 teams that could win it...

3 wins gets them to 6 D1 wins and are out.

Maybe, maybe not. A friend who is a former member of the committee told me he thinks will get in with 3 more wins. It would depend on who the other bubble teams are. There is no 6 DI win hard and fast requirement. I believe the win over Ferris will probably end up being a positive.

 

[CatsRback]

3 wins gets them to 6 D1 wins and are out.

Maybe, maybe not. A friend who is a former member of the committee told me he thinks will get in with 3 more wins. It would depend on who the other bubble teams are. There is no 6 DI win hard and fast requirement. I believe the win over Ferris will probably end up being a positive.

Doubtful, it was D2 win. By 7 at home. Not appealing. Need more than 6 D1 with the griz’s weak SOS to be in the playoffs.

 

[uofmman1122]

The Griz only need 3 wins to get in the playoffs....no way they leave a 7-4 Griz team out, no chance...

Its crazy to see all the posts over here about the sky is falling....you guys are 4-1, my goodness. I know your schedule has been pretty easy and you haven't looked great, but you are still 4-1. EWU has played pretty dang good this year and we are 2-3, I'd take 4-1 in a freaking heartbeat!

You'll beat UNC, PSU and probably Sac. You get the Cats at home. Davis is good but not great. Griz are in a good spot....and the FCS is down this year, make the playoffs and there are probably 10-12 teams that could win it...

3 wins gets them to 6 D1 wins and are out.

6 D1 win teams have gotten in before. Hell UNI alone got in on 6 wins in 2018 and 2021.

I do not think we get in if we only win 3 more games, but it just depends on which games those are and what the bubble looks like.

To say we cannot get in is just flat wrong.

 

[EverettGriz]

Maybe, maybe not. A friend who is a former member of the committee told me he thinks will get in with 3 more wins. It would depend on who the other bubble teams are. There is no 6 DI win hard and fast requirement. I believe the win over Ferris will probably end up being a positive.

Doubtful, it was D2 win. By 7 at home. Not appealing. Need more than 6 D1 with the griz’s weak SOS to be in the playoffs.

Yeah. That win on 11/18 is going to hurt the GRIZ SOS.. If only our SOS could be as high as the MsDUI’s staff cumulative BAC.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Doubtful, it was D2 win. By 7 at home. Not appealing. Need more than 6 D1 with the griz’s weak SOS to be in the playoffs.

Yeah. That win on 11/18 is going to hurt the GRIZ SOS.. If only our SOS could be as high as the MsDUI’s staff cumulative BAC.

Is that all you have, is continual talk about the Cat’s and their coaches? Come on have a positive, meaningful, post that expresses the ability of the Griz to win and get in the playoffs. The third grade approach, of trying to degrade someone to make you fell better, is just that, third grade.

If the Griz beat the Cats it will not effect the SOS like you think. The SOS is determined by your opponents wins and your opponents opponents wins. You need wins by your opponents to help. So yes a win will definitely help the Griz, might get them a 5th or 6th D1 win, but it doesn’t help their SOS. The SOS will not matter until they have 7 D! Wins, then it makes a difference in the bubble.

The goal is to win this weekend first, you have a lot of wins needed before the Cats make a difference, figure out how to win three of these first; UCDavis, IDaho, N Colorado, Sac St, Portland State. Win 4 of those and beat the Cats and you are in, and SOS doesn’t matter.

Wouldn’t it be more simple to answer the question, which 4? After you answer that explain why you think the Griz a]can win those four games?

 

[AZGrizFan]

The Griz only need 3 wins to get in the playoffs....no way they leave a 7-4 Griz team out, no chance...

Its crazy to see all the posts over here about the sky is falling....you guys are 4-1, my goodness. I know your schedule has been pretty easy and you haven't looked great, but you are still 4-1. EWU has played pretty dang good this year and we are 2-3, I'd take 4-1 in a freaking heartbeat!

You'll beat UNC, PSU and probably Sac. You get the Cats at home. Davis is good but not great. Griz are in a good spot....and the FCS is down this year, make the playoffs and there are probably 10-12 teams that could win it...

I realize it’s counter-intuitive, but if you paid attention to HOW those games transpired, you’d understand….

 

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah. That win on 11/18 is going to hurt the GRIZ SOS.. If only our SOS could be as high as the MsDUI’s staff cumulative BAC.

Is that all you have, is continual talk about the Cat’s and their coaches? Come on have a positive, meaningful, post that expresses the ability of the Griz to win and get in the playoffs. The third grade approach, of trying to degrade someone to make you fell better, is just that, third grade.

If the Griz beat the Cats it will not effect the SOS like you think. The SOS is determined by your opponents wins and your opponents opponents wins. You need wins by your opponents to help. So yes a win will definitely help the Griz, might get them a 5th or 6th D1 win, but it doesn’t help their SOS. The SOS will not matter until they have 7 D! Wins, then it makes a difference in the bubble.

The goal is to win this weekend first, you have a lot of wins needed before the Cats make a difference, figure out how to win three of these first; UCDavis, IDaho, N Colorado, Sac St, Portland State. Win 4 of those and beat the Cats and you are in, and SOS doesn’t matter.

Wouldn’t it be more simple to answer the question, which 4? After you answer that explain why you think the Griz a]can win those four games?

Question: Ferris just beat Northern Michigan 78-3. Does that help our SOS? Do D-II wins help SOS?

 

[AZGrizFan]

The Griz need to win 4 of the last 6 to be on the bubble. Which 4 do they win? Here are the Massey thought on the chance of winning.

UCDavis 48%
Idaho 40%
NC 97%
Sac 49%
PSU 70%
Cats 36%

Massey has them winning two, NC and PSU.

Who do they upset?

This explains exactly why the NAU game was so important, and to come out so flat was inexcusable. We now need 4 wins, which means beat the two we’re supposed to and now win both toss ups against Sac and Davis. I don’t see this team competing with Idaho (especially in Moscow) or MSU at this point. And I believe winning those 4 is a tall task unless they somehow amazingly gel…

 

[mthoopsfan]

The Griz need to win 4 of the last 6 to be on the bubble. Which 4 do they win? Here are the Massey thought on the chance of winning.

UCDavis 48%
Idaho 40%
NC 97%
Sac 49%
PSU 70%
Cats 36%

Massey has them winning two, NC and PSU.

Who do they upset?

This explains exactly why the NAU game was so important, and to come out so flat was inexcusable. We now need 4 wins, which means beat the two we’re supposed to and now win both toss ups against Sac and Davis. I don’t see this team competing with Idaho (especially in Moscow) or MSU at this point. And I believe winning those 4 is a tall task unless they somehow amazingly gel…

Each game is winnable. Yes, too bad with NAU.

You quit on the team. Why would you care about this?