Which 4?

[Walkon79]

4 more wins is a playoff bid not a bubble. No 8-3 Big Sky team is not going to be left out. What are you thinking?
3 more wins may be a bubble or may be no-go. It would depend the other bubble teams. Each if the games is winnable. One game at a time. The o-line needs to get better. O-line looked much better, but needs to be better than that. We shall see.

I agree no 8-3 BSC team is being left out. O-line needs to get much, much better to have any chance against the top tier teams. We’ve given up 10 sacks the last two games, against a winless team and an 1-win team, and that’s with an offense that’s skewed 70/30 to the run.

If we can’t protect the QB, it won’t matter who’s back there.

Lots of teams with 7 FCS wins have been “left out”. Admittedly it’s never happened to the Griz I suppose.

 

[bgbigdog]

No it won’t. The win literally does not count. I don’t know why people don’t understand this concept.

Also if we’re a “bubble” team with wins over
Butler
UtahTech
Idaho State
No Colorado
Portland State
And idk UC Davis.

I would rather they just leave us out of the playoffs and we can start the new coaching hire early.

I’m responding only to say that I like the way you listed the teams. It fits my eye. If you include “Also”, it’s almost a right triangle.

I may be the only other person to know this, but before his current endeavor, Badlands built right triangles for a living. As a matter of fact, he established the prominent design and IT firm fittingly called Right Triangle Consulting. I guess you also picked up on his area of expertise. Genuis.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I’m responding only to say that I like the way you listed the teams. It fits my eye. If you include “Also”, it’s almost a right triangle.

I may be the only other person to know this, but before his current endeavor, Badlands built right triangles for a living. As a matter of fact, he established the prominent design and IT firm fittingly called Right Triangle Consulting. I guess you also picked up on his area of expertise. Genuis.

Oh, RTC. A great outfit. Thanks for the info, BG.

 

[VandalPride97]

I think you guys will do well, although Idaho is going to smash the Griz in the dome. Y'all might want to wear some diapers for that game.

 

[Copper Griz]

I think you guys will do well, although Idaho is going to smash the Griz in the dome. Y'all might want to wear some diapers for that game.

Do diapers help with blocking? Asking for a friend.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I agree no 8-3 BSC team is being left out. O-line needs to get much, much better to have any chance against the top tier teams. We’ve given up 10 sacks the last two games, against a winless team and an 1-win team, and that’s with an offense that’s skewed 70/30 to the run.

If we can’t protect the QB, it won’t matter who’s back there.

Lots of teams with 7 FCS wins have been “left out”. Admittedly it’s never happened to the Griz I suppose.

Is there any example of an 8-win BSC team ever NOT making the field?

 

[grizeyes]

4 more wins is a playoff bid not a bubble. No 8-3 Big Sky team is not going to be left out. What are you thinking?
3 more wins may be a bubble or may be no-go. It would depend the other bubble teams. Each if the games is winnable. One game at a time. The o-line needs to get better. O-line looked much better, but needs to be better than that. We shall see.

Yep ^^^. Win four, we're in. Win three, we'll see.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I agree no 8-3 BSC team is being left out. O-line needs to get much, much better to have any chance against the top tier teams. We’ve given up 10 sacks the last two games, against a winless team and an 1-win team, and that’s with an offense that’s skewed 70/30 to the run.

If we can’t protect the QB, it won’t matter who’s back there.

Lots of teams with 7 FCS wins have been “left out”. Admittedly it’s never happened to the Griz I suppose.

The bulk of 7 FCS win teams left out have been from weak or very weak conferences. Florida A&M was 9-2 last year and left out. The selection chair said it was because of their weak SOS and because their game against D2 Albany St. Won by only 10. I don't think Albany St. was even in the top 40 of D2 then, but didn't look carefully at this. Obviously, playing a D2 does count; in this case negatively.

 

[ABQCat]

Lots of teams with 7 FCS wins have been “left out”. Admittedly it’s never happened to the Griz I suppose.

Is there any example of an 8-win BSC team ever NOT making the field?

2002 ISU Bengals finished 8-3, BSC co-champions, and was on a 3 game win streak.

Didn't go to the playoffs.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Lots of teams with 7 FCS wins have been “left out”. Admittedly it’s never happened to the Griz I suppose.

Is there any example of an 8-win BSC team ever NOT making the field?

Get off the 8-3, the d2 is as if it never happened in the committees eyes. You would be 7-3. This isn’t hard guys.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Is there any example of an 8-win BSC team ever NOT making the field?

Get off the 8-3, the d2 is as if it never happened in the committees eyes. You would be 7-3. This isn’t hard guys.

You are wrong on D2. Last year, a bubble team didn't make the playoffs because of low SOS and playing a weak D2. They would have loved if D2 supposedly didn't exist alt all in playoff selection.

Let's see your support from the playoff selection committee on what you have been saying. How do you explain D2 out of the first criteria. "Overall record"? It doesn't say overall D1 record.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Get off the 8-3, the d2 is as if it never happened in the committees eyes. You would be 7-3. This isn’t hard guys.

You are wrong on D2. Last year, a bubble team didn't make the playoffs because of low SOS and playing a weak D2. They would have loved if D2 supposedly didn't exist alt all in playoff selection.

Let's see your support from the playoff selection committee on what you have been saying. How do you explain D2 out of the first criteria. "Overall record"? It doesn't say overall D1 record.

Just stop, you are incorrect on D2, like I mentioned Troy Dannen, confirmed this when he was an AD at UNI and part of the selection committee. To add on it’s been known for years. I will ad more reference later.

You have no idea why the bubble team didn’t make the playoffs last year, but part of your reasoning makes sense; low SOS. D2 didn’t matter.

Do you understand the terms counter and non-counter? Overall record are games that count.

This has been discussed for years, Troy even explains wins in the video, D2 wins aren’t mentioned. He says 7, actually 8 needs to be met, and he says D1.

Here is something that is very hard for an attorney, because you need common sense, to comprehend. Why wouldn’t UM schedule a D2 every year, as the gate will exceed the costs by a huge amount, to pad their record to get in the playoffs? Here I will answer it for you. The games DONT COUNT. Read that again. If they counted they would pick the shittiest, least expensive D2 team to bring in to help them get to 7 wins, a playoff game and make money.

A little background for you, who likes to throw around names. I supplied cars to the NDSU athletic department as a used vehicle Manager. I personally took care of and had lunch numerous times with Gene Taylor during his time as AD at NDSU. We had many discussions from the transition to FCs, playoff selections and what it takes to move to FBS. By the way, I know Gene Taylor and NDSU understand FCS football better than you

I am well versed and way ahead of your knowledge on this subject. You handle the defensive back from the 40s. I got this. If you want more info just ask, or continue to give out false info as nobody listens to you anyway

 

[mthoopsfan]

You are wrong on D2. Last year, a bubble team didn't make the playoffs because of low SOS and playing a weak D2. They would have loved if D2 supposedly didn't exist alt all in playoff selection.

Let's see your support from the playoff selection committee on what you have been saying. How do you explain D2 out of the first criteria. "Overall record"? It doesn't say overall D1 record.

Just stop, you are incorrect on D2, like I mentioned Troy Dannen, confirmed this when he was an AD at UNI and part of the selection committee. To add on it’s been known for years. I will ad more reference later.

You have no idea why the bubble team didn’t make the playoffs last year, but part of your reasoning makes sense; low SOS. D2 didn’t matter.

Do you understand the terms counter and non-counter? Overall record are games that count.

This has been discussed for years, Troy even explains wins in the video, D2 wins aren’t mentioned. He says 7, actually 8 needs to be met, and he says D1.

Here is something that is very hard for an attorney, because you need common sense, to comprehend. Why wouldn’t UM schedule a D2 every year, as the gate will exceed the costs by a huge amount, to pad their record to get in the playoffs? Here I will answer it for you. The games DONT COUNT. Read that again. If they counted they would pick the poop, least expensive D2 team to bring in to help them get to 7 wins, a playoff game and make money.

A little background for you, who likes to throw around names. I supplied cars to the NDSU athletic department as a used vehicle Manager. I personally took care of and had lunch numerous times with Gene Taylor during his time as AD at NDSU. We had many discussions from the transition to FCs, playoff selections and what it takes to move to FBS. By the way, I know Gene Taylor and NDSU understand FCS football better than you

I am well versed and way ahead of your knowledge on this subject. You handle the defensive back from the 40s. I got this. If you want more info just ask, or continue to give out false info as nobody listens to you anyway

I got this from Twitter before I posted why the bubble team didn't make the playoffs last year: "FCS Playoffs Chairman Jermaine Truax says that Florida A&M's SOS and the Rattlers win over D-II Albany State were the main factors keeping the Rattlers out of the FCS Playoffs. The Rattlers had the 108th SOS this season"

Bring on your citations. I'm happy to be proven wrong. Also, please show us where D2 is even mentioned in the FCS playoff selection criteria. Please show us where D2 is excluded from the SRS/ Please show us where D2 is excluded from "overall record".

Are you really saying a D2 loss, especially to a weak one, wouldn't impact playoff selection.

Overall record includes all games. Nowhere in the playoff selection criteria does it say that D2 games don't count, other than saying teams with only 6 DI wins may not make it. I don't believe D2 is mentioned anywhere in the playoff selection criteria. Nor is there any mention of what games count and what games don't count.

UM tries to schedule games that the fans want. Fans don't want D2 games. Games aren't easy to schedule, so sometimes the AD has to take what he can get.

I am still personal friends with multiple former AD's and have communicated today (and yesterday). I've known every AD at UM and Dartmouth for many decades. Also, some AD's at other schools. '

So, you are a car salesman? That's big time.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

You are wrong on D2. Last year, a bubble team didn't make the playoffs because of low SOS and playing a weak D2. They would have loved if D2 supposedly didn't exist alt all in playoff selection.

Let's see your support from the playoff selection committee on what you have been saying. How do you explain D2 out of the first criteria. "Overall record"? It doesn't say overall D1 record.

Just stop, you are incorrect on D2, like I mentioned Troy Dannen, confirmed this when he was an AD at UNI and part of the selection committee. To add on it’s been known for years. I will ad more reference later.

You have no idea why the bubble team didn’t make the playoffs last year, but part of your reasoning makes sense; low SOS. D2 didn’t matter.

Do you understand the terms counter and non-counter? Overall record are games that count.

This has been discussed for years, Troy even explains wins in the video, D2 wins aren’t mentioned. He says 7, actually 8 needs to be met, and he says D1.

Here is something that is very hard for an attorney, because you need common sense, to comprehend. Why wouldn’t UM schedule a D2 every year, as the gate will exceed the costs by a huge amount, to pad their record to get in the playoffs? Here I will answer it for you. The games DONT COUNT. Read that again. If they counted they would pick the poop, least expensive D2 team to bring in to help them get to 7 wins, a playoff game and make money.

A little background for you, who likes to throw around names. I supplied cars to the NDSU athletic department as a used vehicle Manager. I personally took care of and had lunch numerous times with Gene Taylor during his time as AD at NDSU. We had many discussions from the transition to FCs, playoff selections and what it takes to move to FBS. By the way, I know Gene Taylor and NDSU understand FCS football better than you

I am well versed and way ahead of your knowledge on this subject. You handle the defensive back from the 40s. I got this. If you want more info just ask, or continue to give out false info as nobody listens to you anyway

I get Hoop's blind optimism and faith is grating but why are you acting so muley about this?

In the modern era, when the Big Sky regularly has 5-6 top ten teams, a 7-win Griz team is likely to make the playoffs because non-con be damned the losses are usually to some of the best teams in the country and a WaGriz home game helps pay for the whole tournament. At a certain point the committee looks for reasons to include the Griz because of the attendence and venue alone. A weak non-con slate that a mid Griz team rolls through isn't a good enough reason to leave us out.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Is there any example of an 8-win BSC team ever NOT making the field?

Get off the 8-3, the d2 is as if it never happened in the committees eyes. You would be 7-3. This isn’t hard guys.

This is 100% correct. The D2 win literally doesn’t count as a win for playoff consideration. Scheduling a d2 does absolutely nothing for your team. You have to have 6-7 D1 wins to even be considered for playoffs. Anymore it’s more like 7. We will not be 8-3 in the committee’s eyes or views….we will be 7-3 because they will literally throw out the d2 win. Griz need to win 4 games just to be on the bubble. This is not difficult to comprehend at all.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Just stop, you are incorrect on D2, like I mentioned Troy Dannen, confirmed this when he was an AD at UNI and part of the selection committee. To add on it’s been known for years. I will ad more reference later.

You have no idea why the bubble team didn’t make the playoffs last year, but part of your reasoning makes sense; low SOS. D2 didn’t matter.

Do you understand the terms counter and non-counter? Overall record are games that count.

This has been discussed for years, Troy even explains wins in the video, D2 wins aren’t mentioned. He says 7, actually 8 needs to be met, and he says D1.

Here is something that is very hard for an attorney, because you need common sense, to comprehend. Why wouldn’t UM schedule a D2 every year, as the gate will exceed the costs by a huge amount, to pad their record to get in the playoffs? Here I will answer it for you. The games DONT COUNT. Read that again. If they counted they would pick the poop, least expensive D2 team to bring in to help them get to 7 wins, a playoff game and make money.

A little background for you, who likes to throw around names. I supplied cars to the NDSU athletic department as a used vehicle Manager. I personally took care of and had lunch numerous times with Gene Taylor during his time as AD at NDSU. We had many discussions from the transition to FCs, playoff selections and what it takes to move to FBS. By the way, I know Gene Taylor and NDSU understand FCS football better than you

I am well versed and way ahead of your knowledge on this subject. You handle the defensive back from the 40s. I got this. If you want more info just ask, or continue to give out false info as nobody listens to you anyway

I get Hoop's blind optimism and faith is grating but why are you acting so muley about this?

In the modern era, when the Big Sky regularly has 5-6 top ten teams, a 7-win Griz team is likely to make the playoffs because non-con be damned the losses are usually to some of the best teams in the country and a WaGriz home game helps pay for the whole tournament. At a certain point the committee looks for reasons to include the Griz because of the attendence and venue alone. A weak non-con slate that a mid Griz team rolls through isn't a good enough reason to leave us out.

He thinks 3 losses to MSU, Idaho and SS (3 of the top 5 teams in Idaho's poll guess) should keep us out. Pretty funny. The committee chair said last year that the committee looks for the best teams. Losses to top FCS teams don't hurt playoff selection, if there is the minimum number of D1 wins.

 

[ATLCAT]

So if the gris lose three, is it time to show booby and the fellas the door?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Get off the 8-3, the d2 is as if it never happened in the committees eyes. You would be 7-3. This isn’t hard guys.

This is 100% correct. The D2 win literally doesn’t count as a win for playoff consideration. Scheduling a d2 does absolutely nothing for your team. You have to have 6-7 D1 wins to even be considered for playoffs. Anymore it’s more like 7. We will not be 8-3 in the committee’s eyes or views….we will be 7-3 because they will literally throw out the d2 win. Griz need to win 4 games just to be on the bubble. This is not difficult to comprehend at all.

Where's your source?

D2 isn't mentioned in the playoff selection criteria. The head of the section committee last year said a 9-2 bubble team didn't get in because of a weak SOS and. playing a weak D2 game. The committee sure as heck considered that D2 game.

The selection criteria says only that teams with only 6 D1 wins may not be considered for selection. Again, D2 is not even mentioned in the criteria. Overall record is the first criteria, and it says nothing about excluding D2.

I think you are dead wrong. And that's what some of my AD sources have told me over the years.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Just stop, you are incorrect on D2, like I mentioned Troy Dannen, confirmed this when he was an AD at UNI and part of the selection committee. To add on it’s been known for years. I will ad more reference later.

You have no idea why the bubble team didn’t make the playoffs last year, but part of your reasoning makes sense; low SOS. D2 didn’t matter.

Do you understand the terms counter and non-counter? Overall record are games that count.

This has been discussed for years, Troy even explains wins in the video, D2 wins aren’t mentioned. He says 7, actually 8 needs to be met, and he says D1.

Here is something that is very hard for an attorney, because you need common sense, to comprehend. Why wouldn’t UM schedule a D2 every year, as the gate will exceed the costs by a huge amount, to pad their record to get in the playoffs? Here I will answer it for you. The games DONT COUNT. Read that again. If they counted they would pick the poop, least expensive D2 team to bring in to help them get to 7 wins, a playoff game and make money.

A little background for you, who likes to throw around names. I supplied cars to the NDSU athletic department as a used vehicle Manager. I personally took care of and had lunch numerous times with Gene Taylor during his time as AD at NDSU. We had many discussions from the transition to FCs, playoff selections and what it takes to move to FBS. By the way, I know Gene Taylor and NDSU understand FCS football better than you

I am well versed and way ahead of your knowledge on this subject. You handle the defensive back from the 40s. I got this. If you want more info just ask, or continue to give out false info as nobody listens to you anyway

I got this from Twitter before I posted why the bubble team didn't make the playoffs last year: "FCS Playoffs Chairman Jermaine Truax says that Florida A&M's SOS and the Rattlers win over D-II Albany State were the main factors keeping the Rattlers out of the FCS Playoffs. The Rattlers had the 108th SOS this season"

Bring on your citations. I'm happy to be proven wrong. Also, please show us where D2 is even mentioned in the FCS playoff selection criteria. Please show us where D2 is excluded from the SRS/ Please show us where D2 is excluded from "overall record".

Are you really saying a D2 loss, especially to a weak one, wouldn't impact playoff selection.

Overall record includes all games. Nowhere in the playoff selection criteria does it say that D2 games don't count, other than saying teams with only 6 DI wins may not make it. I don't believe D2 is mentioned anywhere in the playoff selection criteria. Nor is there any mention of what games count and what games don't count.

UM tries to schedule games that the fans want. Fans don't want D2 games. Games aren't easy to schedule, so sometimes the AD has to take what he can get.

I am still personal friends with multiple former AD's and have communicated today (and yesterday). I've known every AD at UM and Dartmouth for many decades. Also, some AD's at other schools. '

So, you are a car salesman? That's big time.

Yep, I was a used car manager. Very proud of it. Nice try.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

I get Hoop's blind optimism and faith is grating but why are you acting so muley about this?

In the modern era, when the Big Sky regularly has 5-6 top ten teams, a 7-win Griz team is likely to make the playoffs because non-con be damned the losses are usually to some of the best teams in the country and a WaGriz home game helps pay for the whole tournament. At a certain point the committee looks for reasons to include the Griz because of the attendence and venue alone. A weak non-con slate that a mid Griz team rolls through isn't a good enough reason to leave us out.

He thinks 3 losses to MSU, Idaho and SS (3 of the top 5 teams in Idaho's poll guess) should keep us out. Pretty funny. The committee chair said last year that the committee looks for the best teams. Losses to top FCS teams don't hurt playoff selection, if there is the minimum number of D1 wins.

That one is an easy yes, because you also have a loss to NAU, therefore you are 6-4. Gone, not even on the bubble.