Where are all the don't go for it on 4th down haters?

[rimrockgriz]

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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First, I don't believe you. Second, from a later post of yours, I assume most of you played the game in junior high. There is no way that 8 people who actually played the game at some decent level would have been screaming for a FG try.

First, I don't give one flying fuch if you believe me. In fact, I cannot think of one thing I could care less about.

Second, nobody gives a shit what level you think we played at. We KNOW what level we played at. And its higher than you play in your best wet dream.

Third, thanks for perfectly proving the very point I made in my post. You're not particularly bright, but you ARE predictable.

I can tell from your posts that you don't understand football. But keep on posting. It's good for a laught. I'll bet you any amount of money that I played at a higher level/better team than you did. Want to bet? Put up or shut up.

Not sure what you would consider an "egriz" day but you made SEVENTEEN posts yesterday on the "4th down hater thread"... Wooooooooooooooow. and...everyone is "dumb"... A word I haven't heard much since the junior high playground. Will you still be able to type wearing a strait jacket at Warm Springs???????????? Maybe a trip to the Zen Mountain Monestary?? :egriz:

 

[Griz2k]

think pr is right on the money with this and often times this is what the casual fan fails to consider. right calls go wrong all the time and shitty calls work sometimes. had you guys kicked a field goal there and missed or had it blocked this same thread would be 4 pages long about how chicken shit it was to kick instead of punching it in. :lol:

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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Because if you don't agree with him you're wrong and your opinion is worthless.

Opinions are often wrong. Your opinions fall into that category at times. It is amazing to me that some people think that their opinion, no matter how dumb it is, should be entitled to some level of credibility.

As do yours. As I said before, I don't believe there is a right or wrong opinion here. I'm sure there are plenty of college coaches that would have gone for it and just as many that would have taken the fg. Unfortunately we'll never know what the right play call was...but I can tell you which play call didn't work.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Oh, and I failed to mention that of the 8 at the table, we all played the game....


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LIAR!

 

[kemajic]

NDSU would have taken the three points, and then, after the second-half kickoff, they would have taken about seven minutes off the clock while they marched down the field and scored again, to make the score 14-10.

Oh, but that's right - Alphie thinks they're a bunch of pussies.

Taking the 3 point FG makes it 14-6. Score a TD opening the second half to make the score 14-12 and they kick the PAT to make it 14-13 because they have 23 minutes of football left and a lot of confidence in both their defense and their offense. They knew the 4th and 2 late in the 2nd quarter will not be their only opportunity, and they knew 23 minutes of football left would present more.

UM gave up a fumble return in the second half. Were you not watching, or don't you remember? No matter what UM called or did late in the first half, it was not going to be 14-13 to start the half.

It was an NDSU hypothetical scenario that was being discussed, but leave it to you to force your way back in with a UM factoid, irrelevant to the discoussion.

But biting with your interjection, you cannot presume that the UM play calling would be the same early in the second half when the score was 21-3 than it would be if the game were 14-6. Heard you never played offense, so how would you know....

 

[kemajic]

You obviously never played the game in the modern age, and probably never got on the field when you did.

Of course. Accepted that being on FR schollie and playing both ways in the ancient era at Montana would be a handicap to knowing the game of football relative to one playing defense a few years later in the enlightened Ivy League.

But you sure get a lot of mileage out of that kind of disrespectful response to "wrong" opinions. It's so you.

 

[Htowngriz]

Kem and PlayerRep...

 

[1Griz_Fan]

think pr is right on the money with this and often times this is what the casual fan fails to consider. right calls go wrong all the time and shitty calls work sometimes. had you guys kicked a field goal there and missed or had it blocked this same thread would be 4 pages long about how chicken shit it was to kick instead of punching it in. :lol:

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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Because if you don't agree with him you're wrong and your opinion is worthless.

Opinions are often wrong. Your opinions fall into that category at times. It is amazing to me that some people think that their opinion, no matter how dumb it is, should be entitled to some level of credibility.

Look in the mirror old man...

 

[1Griz_Fan]

You can't divorce the result, i.e. the fumble return, from the call. Thus, you can't properly analyze the call. The result could never have been predicted from the call. The fumble return hurt UM, not the play call.

think pr is right on the money with this and often times this is what the casual fan fails to consider. right calls go wrong all the time and shitty calls work sometimes. had you guys kicked a field goal there and missed or had it blocked this same thread would be 4 pages long about how chicken shit it was to kick instead of punching it in. :lol:

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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First, I don't believe you. Second, from a later post of yours, I assume most of you played the game in junior high. There is no way that 8 people who actually played the game at some decent level would have been screaming for a FG try.

I played in high school with Kris Hepner and Dallas Neil, I assume you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

[PlayerRep]

think pr is right on the money with this and often times this is what the casual fan fails to consider. right calls go wrong all the time and shitty calls work sometimes. had you guys kicked a field goal there and missed or had it blocked this same thread would be 4 pages long about how chicken shit it was to kick instead of punching it in. :lol:

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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First, I don't believe you. Second, from a later post of yours, I assume most of you played the game in junior high. There is no way that 8 people who actually played the game at some decent level would have been screaming for a FG try.

I played in high school with Kris Hepner and Dallas Neil, I assume you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Some of my kids were at GF high at that time, and they say you were a zero. We also loved Dallas Neil and his family, and still do.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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Because if you don't agree with him you're wrong and your opinion is worthless.

I am glad he is not coaching the Griz and I will leave it at that...

How dumb is your comment? Jeez, how old are you?

You are probably three times as old as me, you win there. :lol: Just because you "played" back in the days when they wore leather helmets with no face masks doesn't make you a football guru. If you were coach of any team in America, at any level, you would be a loser.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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First, I don't believe you. Second, from a later post of yours, I assume most of you played the game in junior high. There is no way that 8 people who actually played the game at some decent level would have been screaming for a FG try.

I played in high school with Kris Hepner and Dallas Neil, I assume you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Some of my kids were at GF high at that time, and they say you were a zero. We also loved Dallas Neil and his family, and still do.

Yeah because my real name is 1Griz_Fan dumb@$$!!!

 

[ordigger]

After reading this thread I've come to the conclusion, that it's probably best in general if you never played the game. Those that did, have some of the dumbest opinions I've ever seen. And for the record, even when you throw facts at him, he skews them, and then gives his opinon on why they are not correct....lmao.

And for the record, I was for going for it at both NAU, and the UC-Davis game. In fact, in the Davis game thread I was the first to point out the title of this thread. Thus I take credit for the creating of this thread. Thank you.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

After reading this thread I've come to the conclusion, that it's probably best in general if you never played the game. Those that did, have some of the dumbest opinions I've ever seen. And for the record, even when you throw facts at him, he skews them, and then gives his opinon on why they are not correct....lmao.

And for the record, I was for going for it at both NAU, and the UC-Davis game. In fact, in the Davis game thread I was the first to point out the title of this thread. Thus I take credit for the creating of this thread. Thank you.

So you think we should thank you for starting this thread???????????????????????

Are you high on something? :ugeek:

 

[Griz2k]

After reading this thread I've come to the conclusion, that it's probably best in general if you never played the game. Those that did, have some of the dumbest opinions I've ever seen. And for the record, even when you throw facts at him, he skews them, and then gives his opinon on why they are not correct....lmao.

And for the record, I was for going for it at both NAU, and the UC-Davis game. In fact, in the Davis game thread I was the first to point out the title of this thread. Thus I take credit for the creating of this thread. Thank you.

But I bet you don't berate people and tell them they're idiots and their opinions are dumb if it differs from your opinion. Wow, what a novel idea!?!?!

 

[ordigger]

Only those that do the same to others....which is basically one person.

 

[GrizRanger]

I don’t check into egriz much anymore due to all the peckerwoods here (life is too short to read idiot blather), but I just saw this thread and want to state that whether or not to go for it on 4th down in my opinion depends on the circumstances.

Early in the game with a close score I think it is more prudent to kick a field goal on 4th down. If you are up by a lot it is clearly best to kick a field goal on 4th down. If you are down by a lot I can see where the risk of going for it on 4th down becomes more worth it. However there are still many circumstances to consider (e.g., yardage needed for 1st down, probable success of making 1st down, how prepared is other team to stop you, what is the score, how much time is left in the game, etc.). There are some situations where it would pay to go for it on 4th down, but those are a minority of situations.

I think it was a poor coaching decision for Coach Delaney to go for it on the 3 yard line on 4th down in the first half against NAU when Griz were down 14-3. If Griz kick a field goal they go into halftime only down 14-6. The odds of Griz scoring a TD from the 3 yard line were less than 50%, and the odds of making a field goal were over 90%.

Due to Delaney’s poor coaching decision Griz went into halftime against NAU down 21-3 instead of 14-6. Clearly that did not turn out to be a good coaching decision.

 

[ordigger]

I don’t check into egriz much anymore due to all the peckerwoods here (life is too short to read idiot blather), but I just saw this thread and want to state that whether or not to go for it on 4th down in my opinion depends on the circumstances.

Early in the game with a close score I think it is more prudent to kick a field goal on 4th down. If you are up by a lot it is clearly best to kick a field goal on 4th down. If you are down by a lot I can see where the risk of going for it on 4th down becomes more worth it. However there are still many circumstances to consider (e.g., yardage needed for 1st down, probable success of making 1st down, how prepared is other team to stop you, what is the score, how much time is left in the game, etc.). There are some situations where it would pay to go for it on 4th down, but those are a minority of situations.

I think it was a poor coaching decision for Coach Delaney to go for it on the 3 yard line on 4th down in the first half against NAU when Griz were down 14-3. If Griz kick a field goal they go into halftime only down 14-6. The odds of Griz scoring a TD from the 3 yard line were less than 50%, and the odds of making a field goal were over 90%.

Due to Delaney’s poor coaching decision Griz went into halftime against NAU down 21-3 instead of 14-6. Clearly that did not turn out to be a good coaching decision.

And if they scored the td, there would not be ONE person on here saying it was a bad decision. They would be thumping their chests claiming it was a ballsy call, and a great one.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

I don’t check into egriz much anymore due to all the peckerwoods here (life is too short to read idiot blather), but I just saw this thread and want to state that whether or not to go for it on 4th down in my opinion depends on the circumstances.

Early in the game with a close score I think it is more prudent to kick a field goal on 4th down. If you are up by a lot it is clearly best to kick a field goal on 4th down. If you are down by a lot I can see where the risk of going for it on 4th down becomes more worth it. However there are still many circumstances to consider (e.g., yardage needed for 1st down, probable success of making 1st down, how prepared is other team to stop you, what is the score, how much time is left in the game, etc.). There are some situations where it would pay to go for it on 4th down, but those are a minority of situations.

I think it was a poor coaching decision for Coach Delaney to go for it on the 3 yard line on 4th down in the first half against NAU when Griz were down 14-3. If Griz kick a field goal they go into halftime only down 14-6. The odds of Griz scoring a TD from the 3 yard line were less than 50%, and the odds of making a field goal were over 90%.

Due to Delaney’s poor coaching decision Griz went into halftime against NAU down 21-3 instead of 14-6. Clearly that did not turn out to be a good coaching decision.

And if they scored the td, there would not be ONE person on here saying it was a bad decision. They would be thumping their chests claiming it was a ballsy call, and a great one.

The outcome changes the opinion. I would guarantee the idea of a fumble being returned for a TD never entered the mind of any coach or player. Why would it?

 

['68griz]

I don’t check into egriz much anymore due to all the peckerwoods here (life is too short to read idiot blather), but I just saw this thread and want to state that whether or not to go for it on 4th down in my opinion depends on the circumstances.

Early in the game with a close score I think it is more prudent to kick a field goal on 4th down. If you are up by a lot it is clearly best to kick a field goal on 4th down. If you are down by a lot I can see where the risk of going for it on 4th down becomes more worth it. However there are still many circumstances to consider (e.g., yardage needed for 1st down, probable success of making 1st down, how prepared is other team to stop you, what is the score, how much time is left in the game, etc.). There are some situations where it would pay to go for it on 4th down, but those are a minority of situations.

I think it was a poor coaching decision for Coach Delaney to go for it on the 3 yard line on 4th down in the first half against NAU when Griz were down 14-3. If Griz kick a field goal they go into halftime only down 14-6. The odds of Griz scoring a TD from the 3 yard line were less than 50%, and the odds of making a field goal were over 90%.

Due to Delaney’s poor coaching decision Griz went into halftime against NAU down 21-3 instead of 14-6. Clearly that did not turn out to be a good coaching decision.

And if they scored the td, there would not be ONE person on here saying it was a bad decision. They would be thumping their chests claiming it was a ballsy call, and a great one.

Eczactamundo!!!!

 

[PlayerRep]

I don’t check into egriz much anymore due to all the peckerwoods here (life is too short to read idiot blather), but I just saw this thread and want to state that whether or not to go for it on 4th down in my opinion depends on the circumstances.

Early in the game with a close score I think it is more prudent to kick a field goal on 4th down. If you are up by a lot it is clearly best to kick a field goal on 4th down. If you are down by a lot I can see where the risk of going for it on 4th down becomes more worth it. However there are still many circumstances to consider (e.g., yardage needed for 1st down, probable success of making 1st down, how prepared is other team to stop you, what is the score, how much time is left in the game, etc.). There are some situations where it would pay to go for it on 4th down, but those are a minority of situations.

I think it was a poor coaching decision for Coach Delaney to go for it on the 3 yard line on 4th down in the first half against NAU when Griz were down 14-3. If Griz kick a field goal they go into halftime only down 14-6. The odds of Griz scoring a TD from the 3 yard line were less than 50%, and the odds of making a field goal were over 90%.

Due to Delaney’s poor coaching decision Griz went into halftime against NAU down 21-3 instead of 14-6. Clearly that did not turn out to be a good coaching decision.

And if they scored the td, there would not be ONE person on here saying it was a bad decision. They would be thumping their chests claiming it was a ballsy call, and a great one.

The outcome changes the opinion. I would guarantee the idea of a fumble being returned for a TD never entered the mind of any coach or player. Why would it?

Yup, so true. Most of my posts have focused on analyzing the call before the result was known. And as others have said, if a TD had been scored, not a single person would have been questioning the call, and some would have been praising it.