Where are all the don't go for it on 4th down haters?

[Griz2k]

You can't divorce the result, i.e. the fumble return, from the call. Thus, you can't properly analyze the call. The result could never have been predicted from the call. The fumble return hurt UM, not the play call.

think pr is right on the money with this and often times this is what the casual fan fails to consider. right calls go wrong all the time and shitty calls work sometimes. had you guys kicked a field goal there and missed or had it blocked this same thread would be 4 pages long about how chicken shit it was to kick instead of punching it in. :lol:

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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Because if you don't agree with him you're wrong and your opinion is worthless.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

You can't divorce the result, i.e. the fumble return, from the call. Thus, you can't properly analyze the call. The result could never have been predicted from the call. The fumble return hurt UM, not the play call.

think pr is right on the money with this and often times this is what the casual fan fails to consider. right calls go wrong all the time and shitty calls work sometimes. had you guys kicked a field goal there and missed or had it blocked this same thread would be 4 pages long about how chicken shit it was to kick instead of punching it in. :lol:

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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Because if you don't agree with him you're wrong and your opinion is worthless.

I am glad he is not coaching the Griz and I will leave it at that...

 

[EverettGriz]

Oh, and I failed to mention that of the 8 at the table, we all played the game....


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[kemajic]

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.

Because if you don't agree with him you're wrong and your opinion is worthless.

And you will be insulted because you are saying stupid things. When your argument is weak, resort to ridicule - and of course he is the only one on here who played the game. And the best - one who played the game in the 60's did not play int the modern era, but one who played in the early 70's did.... It goes on and on.

 

[kemajic]

Kicking FGs is for perpetual losers like Norv Turner, Schottenheimer and Denny Green.

Going for it on 4th down is a winning mindset..........many of you don't have it evidently

Belichick kicks field goals; Sabin kicks field goals.

 

[kemajic]

NDSU would have taken the three points, and then, after the second-half kickoff, they would have taken about seven minutes off the clock while they marched down the field and scored again, to make the score 14-10.

Oh, but that's right - Alphie thinks they're a bunch of pussies.

Taking the 3 point FG makes it 14-6. Score a TD opening the second half to make the score 14-12 and they kick the PAT to make it 14-13 because they have 23 minutes of football left and a lot of confidence in both their defense and their offense. They knew the 4th and 2 late in the 2nd quarter will not be their only opportunity, and they knew 23 minutes of football left would present more.

 

[kemajic]

Even if the Griz get three there they still lose.

Pure speculation. Montana has turned around many games in the past that looked much bleaker than this one at 14-6 still in the first half. When leads are surmountable in college football, anything can happen.

I agree with havgriz on this one. This was not just any game. NAU was playing tough, beating us on both sides of the ball, and on fire. UM needed a TD and needed to change the momentum. Showing little or no confidence in the offense, and giving NAU further confidence by showing that UM was afraid to go for the TD, was not what UM needed to turn things around at that time.

This is the main (not the only) flaw in your argument. Kicking the FG does just the opposite of what you say; it displays confidence in your offense that 8 points is a very surmountable lead and we have 32 minutes to adjust to the NAU D overloads and play Griz football. NAU has played tough and been on fire before - for 3 quarters....

 

[PlayerRep]

As I've been saying, you guys can't separate the fumble return from the play call. To properly evaluate the call, the fumble return shouldn't be considered.

I know it's pointless, you're a dog with a bone, but I can't help but respond.............
OK, I remove the 1-10,000 outcome of a fumble returned for a touchdown. That unlikely event is completely forgotten.

Yet now I consider we've been struggling for essentially the entire first half. We finally put together a nice drive and have a first down on their five yard line. Then we essentially bog down and p*ss away the next three plays! Looking up the score is 14-3 and there is only about two minutes on the clock for the first half. We need to capitalize on this drive with some payoff. Coming away empty handed would be much more dispiriting than settling for a field goal. So we kick the ball. It's now a very manageable one score deficit (14-6). We end this sad half of football on a positive note, and WE TAKE THE MOMENTUM into halftime.

I know you'll never agree but that is what a sensible coach might do. Yes a coach might also go for it, yet considering the circumstances the field goal is the better option. That is unless you doubt your offense will be capable of getting near the goal line again.

Okay, we're getting closer. I have come to strongly believe the right call was to go for it. Part of my reason comes from having information about what the coaches thought about the game and prospects at that point. Had we taken the FG, I would not have complained. I think some people would have, though, had we still lost, which I think we probably would have. There was 2:31 on the clock when the play started, not 2 minutes. Again, UM had 3 TO's. We had thrown an incomplete pass and then had two 1-yard runs. You might characterize that as bogging down; I would say we were 2 yards from a TD. You seem to think not making the TD would end the half; I don't. There would have been plenty of time to hold and get a chance to score before the half. Unless the momentum and game turned around, I think there were some concerns about many chances UM would have to score in the second half. The team/coaches were looking for something to change the momentum.

The time and TO's left made the decision to go for it easier but really doesn't help the case that much. The thinking that if the play doesn't work we can hold them on the goal line and get the ball back with 2:00 left isn't really any better than thinking we'll kick the field goal, hold them at the 20 with our TO's and get the ball back with 2:00 left in decent field position and a chance for a second score. You can make the case either way.

Wouldn't it have been a lot easier just to score on that possession? :lol:

What you just said make no sense. The answer is no, that's not right.

 

[PlayerRep]

You can't divorce the result, i.e. the fumble return, from the call. Thus, you can't properly analyze the call. The result could never have been predicted from the call. The fumble return hurt UM, not the play call.

think pr is right on the money with this and often times this is what the casual fan fails to consider. right calls go wrong all the time and shitty calls work sometimes. had you guys kicked a field goal there and missed or had it blocked this same thread would be 4 pages long about how chicken shit it was to kick instead of punching it in. :lol:

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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First, I don't believe you. Second, from a later post of yours, I assume most of you played the game in junior high. There is no way that 8 people who actually played the game at some decent level would have been screaming for a FG try.

 

[PlayerRep]

You can't divorce the result, i.e. the fumble return, from the call. Thus, you can't properly analyze the call. The result could never have been predicted from the call. The fumble return hurt UM, not the play call.

think pr is right on the money with this and often times this is what the casual fan fails to consider. right calls go wrong all the time and shitty calls work sometimes. had you guys kicked a field goal there and missed or had it blocked this same thread would be 4 pages long about how chicken shit it was to kick instead of punching it in. :lol:

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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Because if you don't agree with him you're wrong and your opinion is worthless.

Opinions are often wrong. Your opinions fall into that category at times. It is amazing to me that some people think that their opinion, no matter how dumb it is, should be entitled to some level of credibility.

 

[PlayerRep]

think pr is right on the money with this and often times this is what the casual fan fails to consider. right calls go wrong all the time and shitty calls work sometimes. had you guys kicked a field goal there and missed or had it blocked this same thread would be 4 pages long about how chicken shit it was to kick instead of punching it in. :lol:

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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Because if you don't agree with him you're wrong and your opinion is worthless.

I am glad he is not coaching the Griz and I will leave it at that...

How dumb is your comment? Jeez, how old are you?

 

[PlayerRep]

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.

Because if you don't agree with him you're wrong and your opinion is worthless.

And you will be insulted because you are saying stupid things. When your argument is weak, resort to ridicule - and of course he is the only one on here who played the game. And the best - one who played the game in the 60's did not play int the modern era, but one who played in the early 70's did.... It goes on and on.

Did you ever get on the field, when the game was going on? Heard you didn't much. Don't know. Just asking.

 

[PlayerRep]

Kicking FGs is for perpetual losers like Norv Turner, Schottenheimer and Denny Green.

Going for it on 4th down is a winning mindset..........many of you don't have it evidently

Belichick kicks field goals; Sabin kicks field goals.

Sabin doesn't kick FG's in the Griz situation. The NFL situation is not the same.

 

[PlayerRep]

NDSU would have taken the three points, and then, after the second-half kickoff, they would have taken about seven minutes off the clock while they marched down the field and scored again, to make the score 14-10.

Oh, but that's right - Alphie thinks they're a bunch of pussies.

Taking the 3 point FG makes it 14-6. Score a TD opening the second half to make the score 14-12 and they kick the PAT to make it 14-13 because they have 23 minutes of football left and a lot of confidence in both their defense and their offense. They knew the 4th and 2 late in the 2nd quarter will not be their only opportunity, and they knew 23 minutes of football left would present more.

UM gave up a fumble return in the second half. Were you not watching, or don't you remember? No matter what UM called or did late in the first half, it was not going to be 14-13 to start the half.

 

[PlayerRep]

Even if the Griz get three there they still lose.

Pure speculation. Montana has turned around many games in the past that looked much bleaker than this one at 14-6 still in the first half. When leads are surmountable in college football, anything can happen.

I agree with havgriz on this one. This was not just any game. NAU was playing tough, beating us on both sides of the ball, and on fire. UM needed a TD and needed to change the momentum. Showing little or no confidence in the offense, and giving NAU further confidence by showing that UM was afraid to go for the TD, was not what UM needed to turn things around at that time.

This is the main (not the only) flaw in your argument. Kicking the FG does just the opposite of what you say; it displays confidence in your offense that 8 points is a very surmountable lead and we have 32 minutes to adjust to the NAU D overloads and play Griz football. NAU has played tough and been on fire before - for 3 quarters....

Nope, the team wanted to go for it. Kicking a FG from the 2 with 2.5 minutes to go in the half and 3 TO's shows no confidence in the team--O or D.

 

[PlayerRep]

This thread is showing that there are more posters who are not knowledgeable about football than I had assumed previously.

 

[EverettGriz]

You can't divorce the result, i.e. the fumble return, from the call. Thus, you can't properly analyze the call. The result could never have been predicted from the call. The fumble return hurt UM, not the play call.

think pr is right on the money with this and often times this is what the casual fan fails to consider. right calls go wrong all the time and shitty calls work sometimes. had you guys kicked a field goal there and missed or had it blocked this same thread would be 4 pages long about how chicken shit it was to kick instead of punching it in. :lol:

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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First, I don't believe you. Second, from a later post of yours, I assume most of you played the game in junior high. There is no way that 8 people who actually played the game at some decent level would have been screaming for a FG try.

First, I don't give one flying fuch if you believe me. In fact, I cannot think of one thing I could care less about.

Second, nobody gives a shit what level you think we played at. We KNOW what level we played at. And its higher than you play in your best wet dream.

Third, thanks for perfectly proving the very point I made in my post. You're not particularly bright, but you ARE predictable.

 

[PlayerRep]

think pr is right on the money with this and often times this is what the casual fan fails to consider. right calls go wrong all the time and shitty calls work sometimes. had you guys kicked a field goal there and missed or had it blocked this same thread would be 4 pages long about how chicken shit it was to kick instead of punching it in. :lol:

This is too simplistic for those of us screaming to kick it well BEFORE the shitstorm that ensued. Of a table of 8 at Sluggers, 7 would've kicked it.

That doesn't make it the "right" decision, just the one we would have made. And to compare that situation to the one in the UCD game is meaningless.

No matter what, the decision is an opinion. Neither right, neither wrong. Not sure why PR has difficulties with that concept.


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First, I don't believe you. Second, from a later post of yours, I assume most of you played the game in junior high. There is no way that 8 people who actually played the game at some decent level would have been screaming for a FG try.

First, I don't give one flying fuch if you believe me. In fact, I cannot think of one thing I could care less about.

Second, nobody gives a shit what level you think we played at. We KNOW what level we played at. And its higher than you play in your best wet dream.

Third, thanks for perfectly proving the very point I made in my post. You're not particularly bright, but you ARE predictable.

I can tell from your posts that you don't understand football. But keep on posting. It's good for a laught. I'll bet you any amount of money that I played at a higher level/better team than you did. Want to bet? Put up or shut up.

 

[EverettGriz]

Gotta love him!! When you got nothing, go with the "you don't know nuthin bout football" argument.

:lol:

Not bright. Certainly predictable. :lol:

And yes I'd take that bet. But I have no faith (and here, by no faith, I mean I'd rather trust the devil with my soul or Mr. Ponzi with my retirement than bet you).










Just sayin

 

[Fahque]

STFU already