When is it going to leak out or get announced that Vigen is departing?

[HelenaHandBasket]

Not to diss on special teams but there you can play special teams for 4 years which is mostly just snap the ball and find either your guy to block in field goals/extra points or where the returner is and try to get down field to make a tackle during punts in college. There is a lot more in depth to offense and defense that offensive players often will not fully know our defense and vice versa. They play each other so I assume they end up knowing quite a bit but as far as special teams go you do not need to know the defensive and offensive concepts and schemes at all to be successful.

Total diss.

 

[get'em_griz]

Are you still going to think SDSU is making do with a less experienced staff after they lose on Saturday? How many championships has the MSU staff won?

We’ve got a large sample size at this point of programs with less coaching experience beating Montana. Hell… A bunch of fans made fun of Jeff Choate and his staff for being made up of NAIA level coaching experience, just to watch them win 4-straight over better Montana teams.

And Jimmy Rogers in his first year at SDSU beating Montana in the national championship.

Again, plenty of examples of Montana and its “years of experience” severely underperforming against other coaching staff with limited experiences by comparison.

 

[Bobcat99]

Not to diss on special teams but there you can play special teams for 4 years which is mostly just snap the ball and find either your guy to block in field goals/extra points or where the returner is and try to get down field to make a tackle during punts in college. There is a lot more in depth to offense and defense that offensive players often will not fully know our defense and vice versa. They play each other so I assume they end up knowing quite a bit but as far as special teams go you do not need to know the defensive and offensive concepts and schemes at all to be successful.

Remind me what Bobby specializes in again?

You're absolutely wrong, btw, but that's no surprise at this point.

 

[GriznMN]

Eiden had 2 tackles and 1 sack. So 41 freed Eiden to be that productive?

Conference awards aren't awarded on one game. Hoops, stop making me defend scat players. It's making me throw up in my mouth.

 

[GriznMN]

So far neither WSU or OSU was enamored with him enough to wait.

I think he is playing MSU for all they are worth. Then he will leave them hanging when it matters most, like right before an important semifinal game.

 

[GriznMN]

Bobcat99, who is the MSU football player that entered the transfer portal? Where is he from? How good is he?

 

[ilovethecats]

If you have played DI football for 4 years you know 85% about the game of football. There is only so much you can do with 11 players on offense and 11 players on defense. Its not rocket science and its not that hard.

Now there are gifted people that can teach the game and get concepts across to the majority of players better than others can. Some people can teach, some cant. I know some former coaches that have a wealth of knowledge about the game but cannot translate that to players worth a damn.

If you decided after you were done playing that you wanted to be a coach got a job on a staff and learned for 3-5 years even a person with average intelligence would know 95% of the game of football and the business of football. We can all learn new things, probably up to the day you die but there isn't that much to know about football.

The last 5% is reserved for the few elite managers of people that succeed at anything they try to do, they are intelligent, driven and if they were not coaching football, they could be leaders in other areas like business, science, healthcare, engineering etc

This is a great post friend. You broke it down nicely. But you missed the part where this is egriz, where some of the greatest football minds preside; some who have played the game and know 100% of all there is to know about football. So I think if all the posters here really pay attention to those genius posters; at the very least they should know 96.8% of everything football

 

[mthoopsfan]

Reminds me of the guy who used to coach at Coastal Carolina, I think. Joe Moglia?

Moglia is my friend. I'm on an email group with him and guys that played football for him when he was the DC at Dartmouth. We pick games, but don't bet. We have football discussions. Joe is a great guy. Super knowledgeable about what's going on in college football today. Says his biggest win ever was beating Montana in the playoffs. Our group, or some of the group, meets up with him for a Dartmouth game on the East Coast every few years.

 

[mthoopsfan]

This is a great post friend. You broke it down nicely. But you missed the part where this is egriz, where some of the greatest football minds preside; some who have played the game and know 100% of all there is to know about football. So I think if all the posters here really pay attention to those genius posters; at the very least they should know 96.8% of everything football

It's pretty clear that neither of you played much football. That post isn't close to being right.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I just saw this in an article. "Brott finished with 49 total tackles (six TFLs), three sacks" last year, after rotating starting with another player for the first 5 games. Those are good starts, obviously in more games as they include playoff games. I just don't get how his stats can be so low this season. I'm know his been injured a bit, but I think he's listed as having played in all but 1 game, or close to that.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Your memory is getting pretty poor old man. Regardless, I would expect most good RB's to e able to run away from a DT. That's to be expected.

I have to say, considering the Griz ran for more yards per carry, have more all conference players, have the better coach, passed for more yards, it's a miracle you lost in your own house.

My memory was 100% correct, wasn't it? What do you think was wrong? I agree that a RB should be able to outrun a DL, but not by gaining 3 or 4 yards to the sideline. The Griz lost because the Cats made a few more plays than the Griz, and the ball bounced a bit more to the Cats. The tipped pass pick 6 was huge. The called back TD for a minor tap on the shoulder shouldn't have been called. The low kick, and nice play by Crews, on the missed FB. There wasn't difference in the game.

And, I was showing the stats/honorI to show that MSU's lines didn't dominate or win the game for the Cats. That had been the discussion. I made no argument that that those stats and honors meant that the Griz should have won the game. They were said to show that the line dominance comment was not correct. You are one of those guys who can't stick to the topic. When what you said is shown to be wrong, you start running for cover in another direction.

Feel free to tell us why Brott's stats are so bad this year compared to last year.

 

[HikeGlacier]

My memory was 100% correct, wasn't it? What do you think was wrong? I agree that a RB should be able to outrun a DL, but not by gaining 3 or 4 yards to the sideline. The Griz lost because the Cats made a few more plays than the Griz, and the ball bounced a bit more to the Cats. The tipped pass pick 6 was huge. The called back TD for a minor tap on the shoulder shouldn't have been called. The low kick, and nice play by Crews, on the missed FB. There wasn't difference in the game.

And, I was showing the stats/honorI to show that MSU's lines didn't dominate or win the game for the Cats. That had been the discussion. I made no argument that that those stats and honors meant that the Griz should have won the game. They were said to show that the line dominance comment was not correct. You are one of those guys who can't stick to the topic. When what you said is shown to be wrong, you start running for cover in another direction.

Feel free to tell us why Brott's stats are so bad this year compared to last year.

2:5

 

[Bobcat99]

My memory was 100% correct, wasn't it? What do you think was wrong? I agree that a RB should be able to outrun a DL, but not by gaining 3 or 4 yards to the sideline. The Griz lost because the Cats made a few more plays than the Griz, and the ball bounced a bit more to the Cats. The tipped pass pick 6 was huge. The called back TD for a minor tap on the shoulder shouldn't have been called. The low kick, and nice play by Crews, on the missed FB. There wasn't difference in the game.

And, I was showing the stats/honorI to show that MSU's lines didn't dominate or win the game for the Cats. That had been the discussion. I made no argument that that those stats and honors meant that the Griz should have won the game. They were said to show that the line dominance comment was not correct. You are one of those guys who can't stick to the topic. When what you said is shown to be wrong, you start running for cover in another direction.

Feel free to tell us why Brott's stats are so bad this year compared to last year.

Well for starters, Gilman never had a TD run called back like you said. That was Brooks Davis.

The minor tap on the shoulder is funny, I'll give you credit for that. Funny enough though, the actual reason that Paul Brott didn't tackle Gilman on his TD run is because while Gilman was stiff arming him, he actually grabbed his facemask and pulled it down. If you've ever played and had that happen to you, you know that changes your momentum completely. That TD actually should have been called back, so you're half right.

MSU's defensive line didn't rack up a lot of stats as a whole because teams gameplanned to the get ball out quick against us. You might have noticed that even the Griz did that. Almost all Ah Yat did was throw the ball to the perimeter quickly, almost never tried a deep pass because anytime they went beyond 2-3 seconds in the pocket he was under pressure. You'll notice that UM threw for what, under 6 yards per attempt? That's an offense getting the ball out quick, and no player is getting a sack that fast. Otherwise, Brott plugs gaps and allows the LB's to get tackles. He's a very good player, even if it doesn't show up on the box score. You don't have to believe me, I really don't care, but darn near every single coach of an opposing team has mentioned him pre and post game as being an impact player. I think they probably know better than both of us.

 

[Bobcat99]

Bobcat99, who is the MSU football player that entered the transfer portal? Where is he from? How good is he?

True freshman DE from Texas. No idea how good he really is considering he's only been here for half a semester. Was a fairly well regarded recruit if I remember right, but a late addition. Sounds like he was homesick...not sure where he's going to go. Obviously never played.

 

[5280Griz]

Well for starters, Gilman never had a TD run called back like you said. That was Brooks Davis.

The minor tap on the shoulder is funny, I'll give you credit for that. Funny enough though, the actual reason that Paul Brott didn't tackle Gilman on his TD run is because while Gilman was stiff arming him, he actually grabbed his facemask and pulled it down. If you've ever played and had that happen to you, you know that changes your momentum completely. That TD actually should have been called back, so you're half right.

MSU's defensive line didn't rack up a lot of stats as a whole because teams gameplanned to the get ball out quick against us. You might have noticed that even the Griz did that. Almost all Ah Yat did was throw the ball to the perimeter quickly, almost never tried a deep pass because anytime they went beyond 2-3 seconds in the pocket he was under pressure. You'll notice that UM threw for what, under 6 yards per attempt? That's an offense getting the ball out quick, and no player is getting a sack that fast. Otherwise, Brott plugs gaps and allows the LB's to get tackles. He's a very good player, even if it doesn't show up on the box score. You don't have to believe me, I really don't care, but darn near every single coach of an opposing team has mentioned him pre and post game as being an impact player. I think they probably know better than both of us.

I thought playing in the Ivy League 60 years ago is a far better qualification to know what is going on today in college football than coaching football today in the Big Sky.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Well for starters, Gilman never had a TD run called back like you said. That was Brooks Davis.

The minor tap on the shoulder is funny, I'll give you credit for that. Funny enough though, the actual reason that Paul Brott didn't tackle Gilman on his TD run is because while Gilman was stiff arming him, he actually grabbed his facemask and pulled it down. If you've ever played and had that happen to you, you know that changes your momentum completely. That TD actually should have been called back, so you're half right.

MSU's defensive line didn't rack up a lot of stats as a whole because teams gameplanned to the get ball out quick against us. You might have noticed that even the Griz did that. Almost all Ah Yat did was throw the ball to the perimeter quickly, almost never tried a deep pass because anytime they went beyond 2-3 seconds in the pocket he was under pressure. You'll notice that UM threw for what, under 6 yards per attempt? That's an offense getting the ball out quick, and no player is getting a sack that fast. Otherwise, Brott plugs gaps and allows the LB's to get tackles. He's a very good player, even if it doesn't show up on the box score. You don't have to believe me, I really don't care, but darn near every single coach of an opposing team has mentioned him pre and post game as being an impact player. I think they probably know better than both of us.

My info comes from coaches including former Big Sky coaches. I didn’t say he wasn’t a good player. Just no stats and over rated. Why should Gillman’s TD have been called back? You are right on Davis. UM didn’t throw long in part because MSU kept 2 safeties deep. How do you explain the difference between Britt’s good stats last and his bad stats this year? Thx for the info and discussion. I am interested and curious. I hear Brott is a good kid.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I thought playing in the Ivy League 60 years ago is a far better qualification to know what is going on today in college football than coaching football today in the Big Sky.

Much of my info comes from knowing current and former coaches. College and high school. Some Griz. Some not. I know and keep in touch with a lot of people. How often do you text and talk to Bobby during the season? Also from current and former players.

What are your football qualifications? Let’s compare.

 

[Dont Kick 2 Bergen]

Bobby texts me. Then I respond.

 

[406football]

I would rather be a place for coaches to retire than leave especially in the new transfer portal era which most of NDSU’s churn was prior to and Bobby 1.0 was way prior to. Nowadays the best coaches and players leave with the coach going FBS. It can work to reload quickly because the FCS isn’t that good but it is also possible to take some steps back like Idaho did this season.

I do not want this to become a program where coaches come to retire. That would be terrible for the program.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Bobby texts me. Then I respond.

Liar. Show us some of them.