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What's so good about moving up?

I actually prefer watching FCS over FBS. The FCS, in theory, is the highest level of NCAA college football where the players are playing to earn a college degree. Most of the FCS players don't suit up thinking the are auditioning for professional football.
That is in theory but unfortunately NDSU mucked that up by staying in the FCS as long as they did.
Therein lies my intense dislike for all that is bison.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
FCS money is going to dry up. If you want to play a comparable level of football moving forward, you need to grab the bottom of FBS. Most FCS schools are going to drop to minimum/no scholarships and be D2 or D3 level. The gap between will be the grand canyon.
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Do you see a point where bottom G5 and top FCS form a division of football?
G5 teams can not sustain the current deficit many of them have and competing in NIL is impossible.
Look at Sac st they are going to play teams that have zero regional interest and they could not get great crowds even for teams in their region.
Playing Nevada,UNLV,Wyoming etc would be way more interesting then playing Ball st, bowling green etc. If Sac could not draw huge crowds consistently play UM MSU and DAVIS why will people come to watch Miami of OHIO?
There are about 75 teams FBS and FCS that need to compete at the same level.
As far as D2 and D3 I could see EWU and maybe UNC dropping however most Big Sky teams would srep up to a new level.
 
hardycreek1 said:
I don't understand why there is talk about moving up?

I'm glad to see NDSU move up & go away. That gives us a better shot at a national title.

But why flounder at the next level against larger schools with a lot more resources and recruiting power than us?
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Well, it may be necessary, at some point, in the not too distant future. You are already seeing decline in the Big Sky and FCS talent level. Shoot, we have really seen a drop off in the last four to five years for sure. The better players that once used to love the FCS, are now needing to seek better exposure and increased opportunity for pay during this recent NIL time of evolution. The best FCS teams and/or those that aspire to more of a stage are moving to FBS, if they can. The other alternative may be dropping to Division 2, if the goal is to avoid the FBS and play in sub-level playoffs and championships. I don't feel that the FCS will be able to keep going, in it's current state for a lot longer. This is a rough reality, it appears, and one I am not fond of at all.
 
Agree with some above. I think the FCS will continue to become no man’s land. It’s already an odd duck in that it only exists for one sport, but I think there will be increasingly fewer programs that fit into the category of “we want our non-FB sports to play DI, our FB program can’t do it, but our FB program is still more big time than DII.”
 
I sure enjoyed competing against these former FCS champions who have since moved up to the FBS because they saw what was coming of the FCS:

Marshall, UMass, Georgia Southern, Western Kentucky, Delaware, James Madison, App State, Sam Houston State, North Dakota State, (soon to be South Dakota State)...

Seems too many Griz and Cat fans have been too used to being the big fish in the small pond and haven't realized the pond is boiling while the other big fish hopped out when they felt the inevitable coming.
 
Kobezoey said:
Well, it may be necessary, at some point, in the not too distant future. You are already seeing decline in the Big Sky and FCS talent level. Shoot, we have really seen a drop off in the last four to five years for sure. The better players that once used to love the FCS, are now needing to seek better exposure and increased opportunity for pay during this recent NIL time of evolution. The best FCS teams and/or those that aspire to more of a stage are moving to FBS, if they can. The other alternative may be dropping to Division 2, if the goal is to avoid the FBS and play in sub-level playoffs and championships. I don't feel that the FCS will be able to keep going, in its current state for a lot longer. This is a rough reality, it appears, and one I am not fond of at all.
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Says who?
 
Why? I think you mean "why not?"
-The first thing is that the move pays for itself. All that big TV money, bowl revenue sharing, etc will be pouring in. Conference entrance fees, increased coaching salaries, travel costs and so forth can be covered by the TV contract.
-Elite-income sports fans will finally have a local team to support. These millionaires are geniuses that require a high-quality product before they will write the big checks.
-Griz will be able to get great coaches instead of a bunch of losers who will never sniff a Power 4 job- Hauck, Smith, Doeren and those other fools will be a distant memory.
-OOC schedule will improve with Power 4 teams flocking to WaGriz with home and home deals- Oregon, Washington, USC, Ohio St... even Notre Dame, probably.
-Cost of education will go down for students as fees will be practically eliminated due to the massive influx of funds. I'm sure JMU now has the lowest student fees in Virginia, maybe the entire US of A!
-Montana will finally be competing with peer institutions in term of enrollment/endowment, like ... well I can't find anybody. Does Valdosta State, Cabrillo College and Northeast Wisconsin Technical College have D1 football?
-No matter what conference the Griz get in, the schedule will finally be filled with bigtime opponents like Western KY, Delaware, UMass, NDSU, App St - not the current assortment of I-AA also-rans.
-Most importantly, Griz fans will no longer be shamed while gathered around the watercooler in the office. That jerk from Utah St won't have anything on a Griz fan!
 
hardycreek1 said:
I don't understand why there is talk about moving up?

I'm glad to see NDSU move up & go away. That gives us a better shot at a national title.

But why flounder at the next level against larger schools with a lot more resources and recruiting power than us?
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Why do people always assume we're going to flounder at the next level? I don't mean it to come off as insulting or attacking but to me it seems like a poor excuse rather then a legitimate argument. Most FCS teams that have moved up have found decent levels of success, we shouldn't be throwing in the towel before we try especially when there is alot of evidence contrary to this claim.

We should be playing with schools that actually care about Athletics as much as we do, plus games vs Nevada, Wyoming, New Mexico etc. would be much more interesting then playing UNC and Northern Colorado. If we don't make the effort to move up we legitimately soon we risk being left behind and becoming even more irrelevant (I love the Griz but outside of the State most think FCS is Division 2) in an increasingly watered down FCS.
 
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NDSU will steam roll the Mountain West next year.

If Montana State was in the MW next season, they'd win it.

If the Griz can rebuild their defense quickly, they will be a Big Sky contender, which would mean they are a MW contender too.

The elite in the FCS would absolutely manhandle the entire bottom half of the MW and if you think that if you gave UM and MSU 23 more scholarships, they couldn't immediately compete with New Mexico and UNLV, you're trippin.....
 
FCS Go! said:
Why? I think you mean "why not?"
-The first thing is that the move pays for itself. All that big TV money, bowl revenue sharing, etc will be pouring in. Conference entrance fees, increased coaching salaries, travel costs and so forth can be covered by the TV contract.
-Elite-income sports fans will finally have a local team to support. These millionaires are geniuses that require a high-quality product before they will write the big checks.
-Griz will be able to get great coaches instead of a bunch of losers who will never sniff a Power 4 job- Hauck, Smith, Doeren and those other fools will be a distant memory.
-OOC schedule will improve with Power 4 teams flocking to WaGriz with home and home deals- Oregon, Washington, USC, Ohio St... even Notre Dame, probably.
-Cost of education will go down for students as fees will be practically eliminated due to the massive influx of funds. I'm sure JMU now has the lowest student fees in Virginia, maybe the entire US of A!
-Montana will finally be competing with peer institutions in term of enrollment/endowment, like ... well I can't find anybody. Does Valdosta State, Cabrillo College and Northeast Wisconsin Technical College have D1 football?
-No matter what conference the Griz get in, the schedule will finally be filled with bigtime opponents like Western KY, Delaware, UMass, NDSU, App St - not the current assortment of I-AA also-rans.
-Most importantly, Griz fans will no longer be shamed while gathered around the watercooler in the office. That jerk from Utah St won't have anything on a Griz fan!
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Move up doesn’t pay for itself. Not even close. Edit: I just read whole post. I now see the sarcasm. My bad.
 
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Ut-Grizfan said:
Why do people always assume we're going to flounder at the next level? I don't mean it to come off as insulting or attacking but to me it seems like a poor excuse rather then a legitimate argument. Most FCS teams that have moved up have found decent levels of success, we shouldn't be throwing in the towel before we try especially when there is alot of evidence contrary to this claim.

We should be playing with schools that actually care about Athletics as much as we do, plus games vs Nevada, Wyoming, New Mexico etc. would be much more interesting then playing UNC and Northern Colorado. If we don't make the effort to move up we legitimately soon we risk being left behind and becoming even more irrelevant (I love the Griz but outside of the State most think FCS is Division 2) in an increasingly watered down FCS.
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Can’t get hurt finding out if you can hang if you never try. There’s a big scary world out there. It’s safer to stay put; stick with the familiar. Convince ourselves we actually prefer it and all the teams leaving are the crazies. Brother Idaho passed into the other lands once and returned with cautionary tales of horror. Therefore, anyone who leaves the village will suffer the same fate. It’s just a matter of time before the other departed come scrambling back.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Says who?
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I guess we can agree to disagree? The state of the FCS seems like it may have a natural restructure or conclusion under the current state of affairs. Not trying to be doom and gloom. Just appears to be the writing on the wall. I would love to see it saved, of course. With all the FBS restructuring, I am feeling like we might be in for some uncomfortable. . .yet maybe really great changes.
 
Ut-Grizfan said:
Why do people always assume we're going to flounder at the next level? I don't mean it to come off as insulting or attacking but to me it seems like a poor excuse rather then a legitimate argument. Most FCS teams that have moved up have found decent levels of success, we shouldn't be throwing in the towel before we try especially when there is alot of evidence contrary to this claim.

We should be playing with schools that actually care about Athletics as much as we do, plus games vs Nevada, Wyoming, New Mexico etc. would be much more interesting then playing UNC and Northern Colorado. If we don't make the effort to move up we legitimately soon we risk being left behind and becoming even more irrelevant (I love the Griz but outside of the State most think FCS is Division 2) in an increasingly watered down FCS.
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Bingo! Well said
 
Not sure what all the trepidation is about? We haven’t won a natty since 2001 but consistently sell out for teams like Sacred Heart, Idaho State, and central Washington. Even during the school’s darkest days post-Pflugrad and post-rape hoax we still had very strong support.

A couple hypothetical and unlikely tough FBS seasons wouldn’t change that. We have amazing fans that show out.

If UM took a big swing we would absolutely succeed.
 
Colter_Nuanez56 said:
NDSU will steam roll the Mountain West next year.

If Montana State was in the MW next season, they'd win it.

If the Griz can rebuild their defense quickly, they will be a Big Sky contender, which would mean they are a MW contender too.

The elite in the FCS would absolutely manhandle the entire bottom half of the MW and if you think that if you gave UM and MSU 23 more scholarships, they couldn't immediately compete with New Mexico and UNLV, you're trippin.....
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Yet here we sit cus financially the U is just not gonna do it. We're gonna need big donor $ and I'm not sure if Denny with all our lawyers and realtor's can hack it.
 
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