What Came 1st, The Snap, or the Timeout?

[The.Real.2506]

Rule, if in fact Choate was standing on the 3 (as one poster said), have you seen TO's called from there? I haven't or haven't noticed.

As a matter of fact, I have seen it before, somewhere last week

 

[PlayerRep]

LSU coach just called another TO. Ran down sidelines. Caught ref's attention at the 10 or 12. Again, wasn't standing by the ref.

 

[PlayerRep]

Rule, if in fact Choate was standing on the 3 (as one poster said), have you seen TO's called from there? I haven't or haven't noticed.

As a matter of fact, I have seen it before, somewhere last week

He called the TO after the play, not before the play. He wasn't standing by the ref. He was running down the sideline to call a quick TO. Perfectly okay.

 

[PAGriz]

Actually this thread is steaming pile of crap that was only started by someone trying to pin the loss on the officials. Here is what happened, Choate called timeout and it was granted by the official, which would suggest he determined it was called prior to the snap of the ball. /end thread

Officials make mistakes all the time.

The rule indicates that a TO can only be called from the vicinity of the coaching box or team area. No one has posted an interpretation showing how the rule has either been modified or is interpreted.

No video of Choate or the ref, has surfaced, to my knowledge.

Don't think anyone has even bothered to post the video of the play on this thread.

Most posters say the whistle came after the snap. Some have said otherwise. Some posters and people who were on or close to the rail. have said they didn't hear a while. Some has said otherwise.

Some poster said Choate was on the 3 yard line. I have never seen a coach call a TO from the 3 yard line.

I would like to know how Choate called the TO, as well as exactly when, and what the official was looking at then, i.e. ball or Choate. I am just curious.

I am not looking for suggestions or opinions. I am looking for facts.

Yes, everyone knows that the referee granted Choate the TO. We knew that within several seconds of the play ending. Thus, your information adds nothing.

There are many other calls by the officials that influenced the outcome of the game.

In my view, what is the steaming pile of crap is not the thread; it is the BS answers of multiple posters who have posted opinions and other BS when most of us were looking for facts and what really happened.

Just watched LSU’s head coach call one from the 6 yard line in OT

See the above post. No, the coach was not at the 6 yard line. He also wasn't standing by the ref. He as running down the sideline.

I am watching the game. The official didn’t even acknowledge him until he was at the 6.

He just ran down again the final overtime and did it again.they gave it to him when he hit the 10

 

[PlayerRep]

Officials make mistakes all the time.

The rule indicates that a TO can only be called from the vicinity of the coaching box or team area. No one has posted an interpretation showing how the rule has either been modified or is interpreted.

No video of Choate or the ref, has surfaced, to my knowledge.

Don't think anyone has even bothered to post the video of the play on this thread.

Most posters say the whistle came after the snap. Some have said otherwise. Some posters and people who were on or close to the rail. have said they didn't hear a while. Some has said otherwise.

Some poster said Choate was on the 3 yard line. I have never seen a coach call a TO from the 3 yard line.

I would like to know how Choate called the TO, as well as exactly when, and what the official was looking at then, i.e. ball or Choate. I am just curious.

I am not looking for suggestions or opinions. I am looking for facts.

Yes, everyone knows that the referee granted Choate the TO. We knew that within several seconds of the play ending. Thus, your information adds nothing.

There are many other calls by the officials that influenced the outcome of the game.

In my view, what is the steaming pile of crap is not the thread; it is the BS answers of multiple posters who have posted opinions and other BS when most of us were looking for facts and what really happened.

Just watched LSU’s head coach call one from the 6 yard line in OT

See the above post. No, the coach was not at the 6 yard line. He also wasn't standing by the ref. He as running down the sideline.

I am watching the game. The official didn’t even acknowledge him until he was at the 6.

He just ran down again the final overtime and did it again.

I am watching the game too. I am right. You are wrong. On the first one the ball was on the 6. Had the coach been on the 6 when he called the TO, he would have run over the ref.

Again, it's okay to run from the coaching box to call a TO.

 

[The.Real.2506]

Rule, if in fact Choate was standing on the 3 (as one poster said), have you seen TO's called from there? I haven't or haven't noticed.

As a matter of fact, I have seen it before, somewhere last week

He called the TO after the play, not before the play. He wasn't standing by the ref. He was running down the sideline to call a quick TO. Perfectly okay.

Where is the rule that you cant call a timeout before the play, and are only allowed to call one immediately following a play

I'll wait

 

[PlayerRep]

Rule, if in fact Choate was standing on the 3 (as one poster said), have you seen TO's called from there? I haven't or haven't noticed.

As a matter of fact, I have seen it before, somewhere last week

He called the TO after the play, not before the play. He wasn't standing by the ref. He was running down the sideline to call a quick TO. Perfectly okay.

Where is the rule that you cant call a timeout before the play, and are only allowed to call one immediately following a play

I'll wait

Where is the rule that you can stand on the 3 by the ref, and 22 yards out of the tackle box, and call the TO before the play? I'll wait. I'd be happy to have you cite the rule. That's what I've been asking all along.

Coaches run out of the coaches' box to call TO's all the time. No matter how far they run, I assume they must be deemed to be in the vicinity, as the rule states.

 

[PlayerRep]

Officials make mistakes all the time.

The rule indicates that a TO can only be called from the vicinity of the coaching box or team area. No one has posted an interpretation showing how the rule has either been modified or is interpreted.

No video of Choate or the ref, has surfaced, to my knowledge.

Don't think anyone has even bothered to post the video of the play on this thread.

Most posters say the whistle came after the snap. Some have said otherwise. Some posters and people who were on or close to the rail. have said they didn't hear a while. Some has said otherwise.

Some poster said Choate was on the 3 yard line. I have never seen a coach call a TO from the 3 yard line.

I would like to know how Choate called the TO, as well as exactly when, and what the official was looking at then, i.e. ball or Choate. I am just curious.

I am not looking for suggestions or opinions. I am looking for facts.

Yes, everyone knows that the referee granted Choate the TO. We knew that within several seconds of the play ending. Thus, your information adds nothing.

There are many other calls by the officials that influenced the outcome of the game.

In my view, what is the steaming pile of crap is not the thread; it is the BS answers of multiple posters who have posted opinions and other BS when most of us were looking for facts and what really happened.

Just watched LSU’s head coach call one from the 6 yard line in OT

See the above post. No, the coach was not at the 6 yard line. He also wasn't standing by the ref. He as running down the sideline.

I am watching the game. The official didn’t even acknowledge him until he was at the 6.

He just ran down again the final overtime and did it again.they gave it to him when he hit the 10

In either of those plays, was the LSU coach standing by the ref on the 3, or was he running down the sideline from the coaching box?

 

[The.Real.2506]

As a matter of fact, I have seen it before, somewhere last week

He called the TO after the play, not before the play. He wasn't standing by the ref. He was running down the sideline to call a quick TO. Perfectly okay.

Where is the rule that you cant call a timeout before the play, and are only allowed to call one immediately following a play

I'll wait

Where is the rule that you can stand on the 3 by the ref, and 22 yards out of the tackle box, and call the TO before the play? I'll wait. I'd be happy to have you cite the rule. That's what I've been asking all along.

Coaches run out of the coaches' box to call TO's all the time. No matter how far they run, I assume they must be deemed to be in the vicinity, as the rule states.

Your problem is you are making assumptions, and you are an idiot.

 

[PlayerRep]

He called the TO after the play, not before the play. He wasn't standing by the ref. He was running down the sideline to call a quick TO. Perfectly okay.

Where is the rule that you cant call a timeout before the play, and are only allowed to call one immediately following a play

I'll wait

Where is the rule that you can stand on the 3 by the ref, and 22 yards out of the tackle box, and call the TO before the play? I'll wait. I'd be happy to have you cite the rule. That's what I've been asking all along.

Coaches run out of the coaches' box to call TO's all the time. No matter how far they run, I assume they must be deemed to be in the vicinity, as the rule states.

Your problem is you are making assumptions, and you are an idiot.

You are the idiot, and have been so known for years.

Another problem of yours is that you can't find the rules you are citing. I have cited the basic rule. Feel free to find more explanation or interpretation of the rule. That's what I've looking for, or wondering if it exists.

Do I need to quote the TO rule for you again?

 

[PAGriz]

Actually this thread is steaming pile of crap that was only started by someone trying to pin the loss on the officials. Here is what happened, Choate called timeout and it was granted by the official, which would suggest he determined it was called prior to the snap of the ball. /end thread

Officials make mistakes all the time.

The rule indicates that a TO can only be called from the vicinity of the coaching box or team area. No one has posted an interpretation showing how the rule has either been modified or is interpreted.

No video of Choate or the ref, has surfaced, to my knowledge.

Don't think anyone has even bothered to post the video of the play on this thread.

Most posters say the whistle came after the snap. Some have said otherwise. Some posters and people who were on or close to the rail. have said they didn't hear a while. Some has said otherwise.

Some poster said Choate was on the 3 yard line. I have never seen a coach call a TO from the 3 yard line.

I would like to know how Choate called the TO, as well as exactly when, and what the official was looking at then, i.e. ball or Choate. I am just curious.

I am not looking for suggestions or opinions. I am looking for facts.

Yes, everyone knows that the referee granted Choate the TO. We knew that within several seconds of the play ending. Thus, your information adds nothing.

There are many other calls by the officials that influenced the outcome of the game.

In my view, what is the steaming pile of crap is not the thread; it is the BS answers of multiple posters who have posted opinions and other BS when most of us were looking for facts and what really happened.

Just watched LSU’s head coach call one from the 6 yard line in OT

See the above post. No, the coach was not at the 6 yard line. He also wasn't standing by the ref. He as running down the sideline.

What’s the difference? In neither case is the coach in the coaching box. Choate didn’t beam himself to the 3. He went down and called a TO.

The game never should have come down to that. Wveryone wants to make excuses. It’s the online, it’s the officials etc.... no, it’s coaching. The online can’t be that bad when your team is putting up big leads for 3 quarters and the. All of a sudden forget how to play in the fourth.

Opposing coaches made adjustments, Griz coaches didn’t, or didn’t make the right ones. My guess with Bobby’s ego they didn’t make them at all. It’s the egotistical “we do t adjust to them, they adjust to us” mentality that cost this team a playoff birth. Based on the comments he has made since I don’t suspect it will change.

 

[PlayerRep]

Officials make mistakes all the time.

The rule indicates that a TO can only be called from the vicinity of the coaching box or team area. No one has posted an interpretation showing how the rule has either been modified or is interpreted.

No video of Choate or the ref, has surfaced, to my knowledge.

Don't think anyone has even bothered to post the video of the play on this thread.

Most posters say the whistle came after the snap. Some have said otherwise. Some posters and people who were on or close to the rail. have said they didn't hear a while. Some has said otherwise.

Some poster said Choate was on the 3 yard line. I have never seen a coach call a TO from the 3 yard line.

I would like to know how Choate called the TO, as well as exactly when, and what the official was looking at then, i.e. ball or Choate. I am just curious.

I am not looking for suggestions or opinions. I am looking for facts.

Yes, everyone knows that the referee granted Choate the TO. We knew that within several seconds of the play ending. Thus, your information adds nothing.

There are many other calls by the officials that influenced the outcome of the game.

In my view, what is the steaming pile of crap is not the thread; it is the BS answers of multiple posters who have posted opinions and other BS when most of us were looking for facts and what really happened.

Just watched LSU’s head coach call one from the 6 yard line in OT

See the above post. No, the coach was not at the 6 yard line. He also wasn't standing by the ref. He as running down the sideline.

What’s the difference? In neither case is the coach in the coaching box. Choate didn’t beam himself to the 3. He went down and called a TO.

The game never should have come down to that. Wveryone wants to make excuses. It’s the online, it’s the officials etc.... no, it’s coaching. The online can’t be that bad when your team is putting up big leads for 3 quarters and the. All of a sudden forget how to play in the fourth.

Opposing coaches made adjustments, Griz coaches didn’t, or didn’t make the right ones. My guess with Bobby’s ego they didn’t make them at all. It’s the egotistical “we do t adjust to them, they adjust to us” mentality that cost this team a playoff birth. Based on the comments he has made since I don’t suspect it will change.

I'm not making excuses.

I am trying to learn exactly what happened, what the applicable rules are and how they are interpreted. In this situation, as in my work, I want to have the facts and know the applicable rules. I don't go on opinion. I don't like people who make up "facts" and exaggerate and just provide their opinion. In this situation, I don't care about exaggerations or lies, and what someone thinks. I want something more definite. If I had the fact or the rules, I would express them. But I don't.

You are, of course, welcome to express you thoughts and views, but they are not relevant in this particular thread.

 

[grizindabox]

Officials make mistakes all the time.

The rule indicates that a TO can only be called from the vicinity of the coaching box or team area. No one has posted an interpretation showing how the rule has either been modified or is interpreted.

No video of Choate or the ref, has surfaced, to my knowledge.

Don't think anyone has even bothered to post the video of the play on this thread.

Most posters say the whistle came after the snap. Some have said otherwise. Some posters and people who were on or close to the rail. have said they didn't hear a while. Some has said otherwise.

Some poster said Choate was on the 3 yard line. I have never seen a coach call a TO from the 3 yard line.

I would like to know how Choate called the TO, as well as exactly when, and what the official was looking at then, i.e. ball or Choate. I am just curious.

I am not looking for suggestions or opinions. I am looking for facts.

Yes, everyone knows that the referee granted Choate the TO. We knew that within several seconds of the play ending. Thus, your information adds nothing.

There are many other calls by the officials that influenced the outcome of the game.

In my view, what is the steaming pile of crap is not the thread; it is the BS answers of multiple posters who have posted opinions and other BS when most of us were looking for facts and what really happened.

Just watched LSU’s head coach call one from the 6 yard line in OT

See the above post. No, the coach was not at the 6 yard line. He also wasn't standing by the ref. He as running down the sideline.

What’s the difference? In neither case is the coach in the coaching box. Choate didn’t beam himself to the 3. He went down and called a TO.

The game never should have come down to that. Wveryone wants to make excuses. It’s the online, it’s the officials etc.... no, it’s coaching. The online can’t be that bad when your team is putting up big leads for 3 quarters and the. All of a sudden forget how to play in the fourth.

Opposing coaches made adjustments, Griz coaches didn’t, or didn’t make the right ones. My guess with Bobby’s ego they didn’t make them at all. It’s the egotistical “we do t adjust to them, they adjust to us” mentality that cost this team a playoff birth. Based on the comments he has made since I don’t suspect it will change.

Worst OL in the BSC. The offense produced in spite of the OL performance. I wonder how they were able to do that???????????

 

[bandit218]

Rule, if in fact Choate was standing on the 3 (as one poster said), have you seen TO's called from there? I haven't or haven't noticed.

As a matter of fact, I have seen it before, somewhere last week

He called the TO after the play, not before the play. He wasn't standing by the ref. He was running down the sideline to call a quick TO. Perfectly okay.

This is crazy. It’s OK after the play but not before? If BH did indeed run down to call the TO pictured above, then covered 30 yards before the Line Judge was even close to marking the ball. Or he was on the field while the play was live.

PR, I get what you’re trying to say, but it can’t be ok for a TO to be called 10 yards onto the field at the 2 yard line and not ok to be called standing next to the Ref off the field of play.

 

[PlayerRep]

Rule, if in fact Choate was standing on the 3 (as one poster said), have you seen TO's called from there? I haven't or haven't noticed.

As a matter of fact, I have seen it before, somewhere last week

He called the TO after the play, not before the play. He wasn't standing by the ref. He was running down the sideline to call a quick TO. Perfectly okay.

This is crazy. It’s OK after the play but not before? If BH did indeed run down to call the TO pictured above, then covered 30 yards before the Line Judge was even close to marking the ball. Or he was on the field while the play was live.

PR, I get what you’re trying to say, but it can’t be ok for a TO to be called 10 yards onto the field at the 2 yard line and not ok to be called standing next to the Ref off the field of play.

You are probably correct. I, and several others, have just been trying to figure out what occurred and what the rule is and how it is interpreted. I actually think we've made decent progress in terms of figuring out what occurred and what the rule/interpreted must be, despite the number of posters who were obstructing the process, and the ones exaggerating or making up stuff.

 

[mtgrizrule]

As a matter of fact, I have seen it before, somewhere last week

He called the TO after the play, not before the play. He wasn't standing by the ref. He was running down the sideline to call a quick TO. Perfectly okay.

This is crazy. It’s OK after the play but not before? If BH did indeed run down to call the TO pictured above, then covered 30 yards before the Line Judge was even close to marking the ball. Or he was on the field while the play was live.

PR, I get what you’re trying to say, but it can’t be ok for a TO to be called 10 yards onto the field at the 2 yard line and not ok to be called standing next to the Ref off the field of play.

You are probably correct. I, and several others, have just been trying to figure out what occurred and what the rule is and how it is interpreted. I actually think we've made decent progress in terms of figuring out what occurred and what the rule/interpreted must be, despite the number of posters who were obstructing the process, and the ones exaggerating or making up stuff.

Well said, PR. This is one time, I am glad you are fired up and committed on. I too honestly want to know, what the rules actually are on something like this. I guess no NCAA Referees are following this. If there are any, I guess they cannot comment, or they honestly are not 100% sure of what the true rules of this are.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I have found a few officiating forums, and have asked questions about this there. I also have posted this situation (without naming teams, coaches, etc) to an ask the referee website. I have noticed, it takes a few days to a week for a proper response. As soon as I see responses, I will post them here. Providing the responses can 100% clear this up. If I get or see responses like the ones here, then I won't.

 

[Rxgrzz]

Very interesting remarks by Pagriz. Is Bobby really like that? I don’t know. Scary.

 

[PlayerRep]

Very interesting remarks by Pagriz. Is Bobby really like that? I don’t know. Scary.

PAGriz doesn't have a clue about Hauck and how he coaches. I can see that by how he posts.

 

[Rxgrzz]

Thanks pr