I think a new restaurant should be able to open even if they don't meet the requirements set forth by the health department. The rules are overly complicated and excessive.
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West Florida joining the UAC in 2026 - just a brief stopover on the way to the FBS?
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I would assume that a D2 school that is transitioning to D1 would be willing to forego the playoffs at D1 as opposed to staying in D2 during the period in question. I am not sure the playoff ban is that big of a deal, and definitely not the deal breaker that several are arguing.
Hey, they can't get ready before they open. So, let's let them open before they're ready, but they can't serve dessert for a few years until they comply with all the requirements.
This analogy would be applicable if the restaurant could open, but not serve dessert because they had too many spoons.
Yes, it's been a long time coming.
(grizindabox should post more, but I totally understand why he doesn't lol)
A man can dream.
Obviously not a dealbreaker, and I didn't see anyone argue it was. What I have seen is people saying there doesn't appear to be a logical reason for the post season ban. I've also seen people saying it doesn't make sense to have non-compliant teams compete in DI seasons when they could just be required to get complaint upon moving up and fully compete below until such time.
Out of all the words HHB posted the item you should notice is that a school doesn't have to be compliant to play in D1, they only need to be compliant to play in the postseason. Post season is really the only bullet in the gun.
Thanks? I definitely noticed that schools that don't comply with DI requirements can play DI seasons. That's what I think is kinda dumb. Get DI compliant below, then move up. That eliminates the "they aren't yet DI eligible" justification for the playoff ban and eliminates ineligible schools competing in whole DI seasons.
alabamagrizzly
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So from what i can see the only real issue is the scholly amount and academic standards which the difference is minimal for academics.
For schollys, D2 allows 36, usually all of which are partials. FCS allows up to 105 depending on your conference. The Southland allows 105 but the BSC kept the 63 limit. So this favors FCS schools any way and should not hinder D2 move ups from competing in the playoffs. An easy fix is to allow a team to give fulls to anyone they want on their roster, which those kids would have been fulls anyway if they were FCS. With the transfer portal the way it is, they should have no problem getting caught up by their 2nd recruiting cycle. Surely an FCS playoff appearance would help expedite that process to a D2 power making the jump.
The difference in academics is so small that i doubt its ever an issue. The GPA difference is 2.2 for D2 and 2.3 for FCS. Course core timing is identical and the test score requirements are described as "a slightly lower sliding scale". Easy fix, probationary period. Let the kids play but put them on a probation where they now have to meet the new standard. If they don't make a 2.3 GPA their first semester, than the sit the next year until they make a 2.3. Shouldn't be hard since they were already required to make a 2.2. Im not sure how testing scores can be adjusted after the fact so maybe those couple of kids that don't meet that requirement have to miss their playoff game. Still a much better solution than handicapping a team for their first four years, which St Thomas is showing is definitely a real problem.
Don't worry though, I'm not asking you to analyze this and maybe see the issue in a new light. I can tell you're not into finding a solution. Your specialty is pointing out problems, not finding solutions.
HelenaHandBasket
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Does anyone on here know enough to solve the problem or just enough to bitch and moan about what they don't like?
The latter.
Do you know of a DI requirement that would make a team ineligible in DII?
HelenaHandBasket
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Scholarship numbers. Do you know of a D2 school that stayed D2 even though they would have a post season ban during the transition? Why do you think that is?
Scholarship numbers? As an FCS requirement? FCS schools don't even have to give athletic aid at all, so that isn't' one. You said that a team couldn't meet DI requirements while in DII. That's not correct, is it?
HelenaHandBasket
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Sure. Also this convo isn't only about football, but there are limits on coaches, recruiting, etc at the D1 level that isn't the same at the D2 level. Granted, it is easier to move down, because they majority would be trimming the budget.
Yes, but the fact remains that a DII school can meet all DI requirements (aka, be DI-caliber) on paper and still compete in DII.
I mean, I just read that Minnesota State-Mankato dropped $60 million into athletic facilities, has high academic standards for athletes, sponsors enough sports (20+), etc. The $60 million is largely seen as an investment to "be ready" when the invite comes (aka, getting ready below). Grand Valley State is another. They meet all DI requirements, but are allowed to compete in DII.
Why ban these already DI-compliant schools from the playoffs when they move up? Just because "it's the rule", right?
HelenaHandBasket
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The easy answer is that D2 as a classification has a rule that when a school announces their intention to reclassify to D1, they are ineligible for the D2 post season. It would seem that D2 has no intention to monitor the reclassifying school and just deems them ineligible. So it looks like when a school announces the intent, the are ineligible for postseason at all levels for the transition period.
Exactly. Because it’s the rule. No other logical reason.
HelenaHandBasket
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If you say so.
